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  • kato
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    For the less serious thread:

    Some possible results for the overseas regions, where polling booths have been closed, have been leaked. In French Guyana and French Polynesia these reflect local concerns - with extremely low turnout in French Guyana after a series of strikes against the government and with people in French Polynesia voting right-wing (with Fillon ahead of Le Pen) because the left-wingers are supported by independence movements there. In Mayotte and Guadeloupe - in the Caribbean - Macron and Melenchon are the front-runners, doing the race only between themselves; in St. Pierre et Miquelon - off Newfoundland, with only 5000 people - Fillon supposedly only got 5%.

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  • Parihaka
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Mis-read me. Once elected, which ever country it is, democracy has not yet been sold down the river. It takes time. Time for the one who took power to consolidate their power. Time for those who would defend it to get complacent as the person newly in power seems like an Ok person to start with. Who knew, in his early days, that Hitler would become the monster he became? Years later people woke up and wondered what the hell happened.

    Turkey has just taken it's turn down this road. Give Erdogan some more time and the process will be complete after starting it after the supposed coup earlier. He will crush the Rebel Force. Pardon me I got Star Wars mixed in by accident. Lets just repeat the old saying of absolute power absolutely corrupts especially when the people hand it to you.

    So who is Marine Le Pen? Does anyone really know what makes her tick. Does she have dreams of a Second French Empire? We certainly know she hates a lot of things. I'm also not convinced that she cares one bit about the French middle class beyond the votes they can cast for her. Granted France made a fair amount of mistakes but one should not over compensate going the other direction by killing the infection and the patient at the same time. Yet populism is a very heady drug that can lull the populace like oxycontin addicts the patient before they know it has.
    Like^.

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  • Doktor
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    Originally posted by kato View Post
    Well, after Trump... http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/us-is...eiu-warns.html
    and under Obama... http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

    So, no, it's not no longer a democracy since Trump. Can't be since it hasn't been one for quite a while.
    So, Economist is in a disagreement with BBC?

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  • kato
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    Originally posted by snapper View Post
    En marche avec Macron.
    You know, there's a German proverb of "marching with your head raised". La France, Insoumise.

    P.S.: It's kinda funny how the LA Times compares Melenchon to Bernie and tries to portray his campaign to run on a "shoe-string budget". Hint: Those holograms alone cost 30-40 grand per show and location.
    Last edited by kato; 22 Apr 17,, 17:29.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
    I find it very odd that having had democracy hand in hand with nationalism for over a century, the two are now viewed as mutually exclusive. While I have my own opinions on this, is the US no longer a democracy now that a nationalist leader has been elected?
    Mis-read me. Once elected, which ever country it is, democracy has not yet been sold down the river. It takes time. Time for the one who took power to consolidate their power. Time for those who would defend it to get complacent as the person newly in power seems like an Ok person to start with. Who knew, in his early days, that Hitler would become the monster he became? Years later people woke up and wondered what the hell happened.

    Turkey has just taken it's turn down this road. Give Erdogan some more time and the process will be complete after starting it after the supposed coup earlier. He will crush the Rebel Force. Pardon me I got Star Wars mixed in by accident. Lets just repeat the old saying of absolute power absolutely corrupts especially when the people hand it to you.

    So who is Marine Le Pen? Does anyone really know what makes her tick. Does she have dreams of a Second French Empire? We certainly know she hates a lot of things. I'm also not convinced that she cares one bit about the French middle class beyond the votes they can cast for her. Granted France made a fair amount of mistakes but one should not over compensate going the other direction by killing the infection and the patient at the same time. Yet populism is a very heady drug that can lull the populace like oxycontin addicts the patient before they know it has.

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  • snapper
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    En marche avec Macron.

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  • kato
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    Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
    While I have my own opinions on this, is the US no longer a democracy now that a nationalist leader has been elected?
    Well, after Trump... http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/us-is...eiu-warns.html
    and under Obama... http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

    So, no, it's not no longer a democracy since Trump. Can't be since it hasn't been one for quite a while.

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  • Parihaka
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    I find it very odd that having had democracy hand in hand with nationalism for over a century, the two are now viewed as mutually exclusive. While I have my own opinions on this, is the US no longer a democracy now that a nationalist leader has been elected?

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  • Doktor
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    Originally posted by kato View Post
    If all countries in the world followed Orban's model Musk could settle Mars with 200 million people emigrating within five years.
    Why is it a bad idea? Oh, them 200mn will die. And pay for it

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  • kato
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Yep, nothing like getting on the band wagon to sell democracy down the drain.
    If all countries in the world followed Orban's model Musk could settle Mars with 200 million people emigrating within five years.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by InfiniteDreams View Post
    Can't wait to see Le Pen win. I'll be opening another bottle of champagne just like with Brexit and Trump victory.

    Praying to god she wins and we see a rise of nationalism all over the rest of europe.

    All countries of the world would do well to follow Hungary's model.
    Yep, nothing like getting on the band wagon to sell democracy down the drain. We will get to see Europe go back to just after the Stock Market crash of 1929 for Part Deux. Part Eins we already saw.

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  • kato
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    Might want to push this together with the other thread?

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  • InfiniteDreams
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    Can't wait to see Le Pen win. I'll be opening another bottle of champagne just like with Brexit and Trump victory.

    Praying to god she wins and we see a rise of nationalism all over the rest of europe.

    All countries of the world would do well to follow Hungary's model.

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  • tankie
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    I hope she wins and marries Farage . End the corruption for good .

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  • Marko
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    Can't wait to see Le Pen go down in the 2nd round and all the rotten front national ideas with her.

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