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  • snapper
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    So in July ago the long awaited Intelligence and Security Committee report (written last year by the previous Committee before the General Election) was finally published. (The full report is here; https://www.scribd.com/document/4698...oad&from_embed). This was not before the Government had tried to plan a chosen Chairman to head the committee who would presumably have downplayed the findings of the report but the Committee 'rebelled' and elected their own Chairman, a Tory (Conservative) of a more independent type who was subsequently 'rewarded' by having the whip removed . Basically the report alleges 'willful negligence' on the UK Government's part because nobody - no single Government department or service - had been actively given an agenda to look into 'Muscovite Interference' in any occasion where it was suspected. The Government acknowledged before the Committee report was published that some Muscovite interference occurred in the election last year that re-elected Johnson with a larger majority; how they know, or who told them or on who's side the Muscovites interfered they mentioned not. Considering the Committees report that the Government 'willfully' did not go looking the whole corrupt dirt pile which many of us are aware continues to this day it is a very good question as to who told the Government about interference in the last UK election. There was a deliberate avoidance of looking into the same in the Scottish referendum and and the EU vote (which besides broke the law).

    Well now the truth is slowly coming out: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54228079 (This involves Boris Johnson's occasional tennis partner)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-billionaire/

    One would have thought it would now be incumbent on this completely feckless British Government to react by tasking MI5/GCHQ and the relevant Police units to look into the whole business but I am not holding my breath. This is after all not only an incompetent shower of Ministers but one without shame for breaking the law domestic (the proroguing Parliament turned out to be illegal) or international. No wonder the current Conservative Party in the UK is so chummy with Muscovite thieves.

    By the way the whole FinCen files (of transactions between banks 2000-2017 that were noted as 'suspicious') from which these UK relevant insights come is here: https://www.icij.org/investigations/fincen-files/
    Last edited by snapper; 21 Sep 20,, 15:13.

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  • kato
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    Germany's Brexit rapporteur declared that "Britain is joining the ranks of despots" like North Korea.
    Germany does not have a "Brexit rapporteur".

    The statement was made by Detlef Seif, UK rapporteur for the CDU/CSU faction within the European Union Parliamentary Commission jointly composed of members of the German Federal Parliament and German members of the European Parliament; each of the parties represented in that commission have a rapporteur for the UK (and for any other European country). The role is somewhat fluent, although Seif has been holding it for a while now.

    Seif opposes continuing any sorts of Brexit treaty negotiation with the UK due to their intention to break international law.

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  • TopHatter
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    Brexit threatens to become a constitutional crisis

    The Brexit omnishambles threatens to become a full-blown constitutional crisis, now that Boris Johnson's government has declared its intention to violate international law by breaking the very withdrawal treaty that Johnson negotiated, signed, declared a triumph, and ran on as the basis of his party's reelection.

    For the record: Five former prime ministers have come out against Johnson's Internal Market Bill, which has already caused a slew of resignations from the government. The bill would allow the U.K. to unilaterally override the EU in a manner that explicitly violates Britain's treaty obligations.
    • European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen quoted another former PM, Margaret Thatcher, saying that "Britain does not break treaties"; Germany's Brexit rapporteur declared that "Britain is joining the ranks of despots" like North Korea.
    • American politicians of both parties, including Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, have said that if the bill is passed there is no chance of Britain signing a free trade deal with the U.S.
    Context: The current crisis is an entirely foreseeable (and foreseen) consequence of the fact that Brexit is fundamentally impossible.
    • Peace on the island of Ireland requires that there be no hard border between the Republic of Ireland, which is part of the EU, and Northern Ireland, which is part of the U.K.
    • National unity means that there can be no customs or border controls between Northern Ireland and the rest of the U.K.
    • The border between the U.K. and the EU has to go somewhere, however.
    What's next: Johnson claims that his bill fulfills a manifesto commitment and that it must therefore be passed by the upper chamber of Parliament, the House of Lords. The Lords are likely to think otherwise.
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  • snapper
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    The EU have given the UK until the end of this month to drop this "Internal Market Bill" that would break international law or threatened court.

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  • snapper
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    Seems the British Government is determined to take the UK to hell. So now they have apparently made noises about passing new legislation in the Commons that would break the EU 'Leaving Agreement' they made with the EU last year. The new legislation would re-assert British customs control over Northern Ireland as opposed to Northern Ireland remaining in the EU customs are to prevent a 'hard border' between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic (which is a key part of the 'Good Friday Agreement' which brought peace (or at least far more of it) to Northern Ireland). As such the new legislation if passed as it is said to be may also breach the Good Friday Agreement to which the UK and the Republic of Ireland are signatories. (See; https://www.theguardian.com/politics...overnment-told ). The Northern Ireland Minister has publicly admitted in the House that legislation of this nature "does break International Law"; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54073836

    It is absolutely Gobsmacking if this is true. A Government proposes to break an international agreement it itself entered into willingly a year ago! What will that say regarding the Government's commitments to any other future agreements regarding trade with say Australia or Canada? That they may re-neg on it a year later? At a time when it seems likely they will be unable to get a trade deal with the EU (which has to be done realistically by mid/late next month to leave time for the Europeans and the UK to 'ratify' any trade deal by December) one would have thought it may appear important to the UK Government to retain some vestige of trust regarding any commitments they might make regarding free trade with other nations but this it seems worries them not.

    It is literally lunatics running an asylum Government.

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  • redadare
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    They are all being paid 10k each to work from home , via skype or some such like medium and I believe a 3 day session has or is going on

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  • snapper
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    How are they going to do that when Parliament is not sitting?

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  • redadare
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    Here snapper , just for you to get your teeth into, the NWO Scam ....

    So here it is in black and white the Coronavirus bill pushed through parliament right under your noses while you were all out panic buying toilet paper!!!
    Get ready for a shit life ahead. Do as you are told or else!!!
    WAKE UP STAND UP TAKE BACK ��✊✌️"Pay attention, 007"...

    TODAY The emergency Coronavirus Bill will be rushed through as law. Today sees the 2nd reading, if passed it will immediately proceed to 3rd and on. It contains the most draconian powers ever proposed in peace-time Britain. It will be rushed through Parliament and the powers will last two years. The powers will affect your freedom and take away your rights, such as:

    • Forced detention and isolation can be of anyone, including children, and for any amount of time.

    • Authorities can FORCEABLY take biological samples from your body.

    • There’s no clear access to legal rights from as-yet unidentified isolation facilities.

    • Powers last up to 2.5 years.

    • Lockdown powers could prevent protests against measures.

    • State surveillance safeguards weakened.

    • Protections from forced detainment and treatment under Mental Health Act lowered.

    • Cremations can be enforced against personal and religious wishes.

    • Changes to the court system. Registration of deaths.

    • No inquests into suspicious deaths!

    • No requirement for any medical certification for burials or cremations!

    • Also indemnifies the health service should they fail for whatever reason to provide care.

    • The most frightening part, ONLY one medical 'officer' is required to sign off COMPULSORY TREATMENT ORDERS which means, you can be *FORCED* to accept medication. Or held down and injected with whatever is seen fit. THAT is the *BIGGEST* and worst threat to your own freedoms. (Schedule 8 Pt1).

    • Local Authorities will now be exempted from compliance with their duties under The Care Act 2014. Schedule 11.

    So if someone dies in police custody or any type of custody they can simply dispose of the body without ANY paperwork, medical exam or certification or inquest!

    These are facts that are about to be passed as laws!

    This is a terrible day for freedoms and rights.

    Below is the full text of the bill.
    https://publications.parliament.uk/p...10122_en_1.htm

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  • Double Edge
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    I understand that the rapid tests are not a proof of immunity. Nobody is saying they are.

    Those rapid tests are used to gauge the extent of infection in a hotspot. Depending on what they find then the decision to quarantine the area or not is made.

    Or to refer people to get the regular tests and then treat as applicable.

    That is all rapid tests are good for. Because they are fast and you can test more people in a given time period.

    The point is whether once recovered whether there is resistance to a second round.

    Right now that question is open.

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  • snapper
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    I quote:

    Dr Maria van Kerkhove said: "There are a lot of countries that are suggesting using rapid diagnostic serological tests to be able to capture what they think will be a measure of immunity. Right now, we have no evidence that the use of a serological test can show that an individual has immunity or is protected from reinfection."

    She added: "These antibody tests will be able to measure that level of seroprevalence - that level of antibodies but that does not mean that somebody with antibodies means that they are immune."

    Her [WHO] colleague Dr Michael Ryan said... "You might have someone who believes they are seropositive (have been infected) and protected in a situation where they may be exposed and in fact they are susceptible to the disease."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...immunity-says/

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  • Double Edge
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    Originally posted by snapper View Post
    Immunity is unproven.
    Then for herd immunity to be effective it may require a larger share of the public to get infected than the earlier stated 60%.

    What i'm hearing is this virus they detect again is dead virus RNA but the tests aren't able to distinguish that. So it appears like you went positive again.

    You don't get re-infected or have a relapse so to speak.
    Last edited by Double Edge; 19 Apr 20,, 18:10.

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  • snapper
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    Covid 19 in the UK... Probably the most damning article I have ever seen in the Sunday Times about a sitting Tory PM (no paywall); https://archive.is/20200418182037/ht...ster-hq3b9tlgh


    “There’s no way you’re at war if your PM isn’t there,” the adviser said. “And what you learn about Boris was he didn’t chair any meetings. He liked his country breaks. He didn’t work weekends. It was like working for an old-fashioned chief executive in a local authority 20 years ago. There was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning. It was exactly like people feared he would be.”

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  • snapper
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    Originally posted by redadare View Post
    Starmer was DPP until 2013 and he stopped the child grooming investigation for lack of "evidence" easy enough to google it ,
    Ok I googled it as you advised and got a complaint about a BBC DJ demanding that Sir Keir Starmer apologise for accusing various people (Sir Cliff Richard being one) of sexually abusing children. But the truth is again that it was the Police that opened and did any and all investigations and who decided to close them. The Office of the DPP in the English and Welsh legal system simply does not have the right (or trained staff etc) to do any investigation of it's own. Police investigate, gather the evidence etc and if they think there is enough evidence they pass it onto the Crown Prosecution Service which is run by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP). You are suffering from fundamental ignorance regarding your own legal system, which I happen to think is excellent.

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  • kato
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    This is almost like reading Tankie's posts. Or attempting to.

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  • redadare
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    My next step is not the point , it needs mass next steps ,if proven to be a scam !! whats yours ! Peace .

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