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  • Originally posted by Pedicabby View Post
    Nobody wants to put a hard border between the UK and the Irish republic. Trade deals can be re negotiated. The sooner the Euros are punked off the better IMHO.
    The UK will never put a hard border in N. Ireland, only the EU buoyed on by the Dublin Clowns would implement such a ridiculousness

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    • Originally posted by Pedicabby View Post
      We're leaving Snaps. Get over it FFS!
      I can only put it down to blind panic! Which seems to be the Remain position...

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      • Originally posted by Pedicabby View Post
        Nobody wants to put a hard border between the UK and the Irish republic. Trade deals can be re negotiated. The sooner the Euros are punked off the better IMHO.
        Neither of these statements is correct or true. The Brexiteers who wish to leave with 'no deal' in theory must be willing to support a hard border in Ireland as well as at the channel. It is not really not that; you want to leave the EU so you can inspect all incoming cargo and people on arrival on the borders between the EU and the UK. Guess what? One of those borders is in Ireland so that is presumably what you wish to happen there too? If not there is a clear ambiguity in what 'leave' means; all them pesky Romanians and Poles that you so hate can just sneak into N.Ireland, get a boat to England and nothing will have changed.

        Secondly this is NOT a trade deal; it is just a consequence of leaving the EU. You want to 'take back control' of your borders - I understand that and have a similar wish with the eastern part of the Ukrainian border. Well fine but that includes the border with the EU in Ireland. You either want this or not; you cannot want it in one place and not in another. Nor of course can the Irish Republic negotiate any trade deal with the UK itself as it a member of the EU customs union; they negotiate collectively.

        So just wrong.

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        • Conservative/DUP (Government) majority cut to 1 after the LibDems win a by election in Wales.

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636

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          • Originally posted by snapper View Post
            Conservative/DUP (Government) majority cut to 1 after the LibDems win a by election in Wales.

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636
            Im not happy with this outcome. I demand another vote!

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            • Originally posted by snapper View Post
              Conservative/DUP (Government) majority cut to 1 after the LibDems win a by election in Wales.

              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636
              Im not happy with this outcome. I demand another vote!

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              • Did the LibDems tell lies or using Muscovite money? If so I would agree.

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                • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                  Did the LibDems tell lies or using Muscovite money? If so I would agree.
                  Can you actually back any of your accusations up with hard facts or do you think its good enough that you think it?

                  Last edited by Freyr; 03 Aug 19,, 14:23.

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                  • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                    Conservative/DUP (Government) majority cut to 1 after the LibDems win a by election in Wales.

                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636
                    And so Boris holds on with a slim majority of just one vote.

                    Is snap elections an option ? risky bet

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                    • Well yes. He lied in front the Parliamentary select committee. He lied about his meetings with Muscovites and the source of his funding. He lied about owning gold mines in South Africa - or he may own them but they are not operating. It is not me he has to reckon with though - I am not even a British citizen legally any longer - but the National Crime Agency and possibly other British services who may regard his Muscovite love affair - not only with his Muscovite Wife - as a step too far from innocence.

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                      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        And so Boris holds on with a slim majority of just one vote.

                        Is snap elections an option ? risky bet
                        The theory in the British media is that he will go for an Autumn election. It remains to be seen if he will survive that long as he ruled out an election before October 31 when by default the UK leaves the EU. If he tries to leave with 'no deal' he will probably lose a vote of 'no confidence' but it is doubtful he could get some new look version of the May deal passed. In the meantime he is of course promising Heaven on earth and money for everything and everyone... very conservative.


                        To call his position his 'sticky' would be an understatement - it is a no win scenario. He cannot square the circle of Brexit, the EU will not negotiate on his terms but may grant a further extension knowing that election is coming and a future government may hold a second vote. They are watching the signs and see the LibDem by-election victory as hopeful as clearly as the Brexiteers see it as a turning of the tide so why negotiate now? So basically he has no chance of a 'new deal' and no hope of a 'no deal' leave.

                        It would be better if a few Tory MPs defected now so that the shambles could end.

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                        • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                          Well yes. He lied in front the Parliamentary select committee. He lied about his meetings with Muscovites and the source of his funding. He lied about owning gold mines in South Africa - or he may own them but they are not operating. It is not me he has to reckon with though - I am not even a British citizen legally any longer - but the National Crime Agency and possibly other British services who may regard his Muscovite love affair - not only with his Muscovite Wife - as a step too far from innocence.
                          If there was any truth in any allegation it would have resulted in a prosecution. Which it hasn't. Banks is being portrayed as a bad boy because his contributions are the largest ever in British political circles. Nobody blinked while he was funding the Tory party. The upset Brexit has caused the political establishment is the root to this.

                          His wife is now British and they married in 2001 and they have 5 children.

                          So nothing really no evidence and no likely hood of any prosecution. So he invests money in various business's so what!

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                          • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            The theory in the British media is that he will go for an Autumn election. It remains to be seen if he will survive that long as he ruled out an election before October 31 when by default the UK leaves the EU. If he tries to leave with 'no deal' he will probably lose a vote of 'no confidence' but it is doubtful he could get some new look version of the May deal passed. In the meantime he is of course promising Heaven on earth and money for everything and everyone... very conservative.
                            If its after Oct 31 and no chance of a 'new deal' or hope of a 'no deal' leave what does he pitch to the electorate ?

                            A better deal

                            That is if you vote for him so rally the masses. Use the time between now & then to deliver so as to create a good impression.

                            No logic, this is all emotions. Make people believe he will deliver


                            He cannot square the circle of Brexit, the EU will not negotiate on his terms but may grant a further extension knowing that election is coming and a future government may hold a second vote. They are watching the signs and see the LibDem by-election victory as hopeful as clearly as the Brexiteers see it as a turning of the tide so why negotiate now?
                            So an extension seems likely

                            So basically he has no chance of a 'new deal' and no hope of a 'no deal' leave.

                            It would be better if a few Tory MPs defected now so that the shambles could end.
                            What happens if he wins that election and comes back stronger. Why not. People like him.

                            Not voting for the Tories or brexteers, voting for Boris !

                            Then the EU calculation changes ?
                            Last edited by Double Edge; 03 Aug 19,, 21:02.

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                            • Originally posted by Freyr View Post
                              If there was any truth in any allegation it would have resulted in a prosecution. Which it hasn't. Banks is being portrayed as a bad boy because his contributions are the largest ever in British political circles. Nobody blinked while he was funding the Tory party. The upset Brexit has caused the political establishment is the root to this.
                              I believe the investigation into Banks is the subject of several court cases including a judicial review. Questions remain.

                              Originally posted by Freyr View Post
                              His wife is now British and they married in 2001 and they have 5 children.
                              I was/am Anglo Polish, so what? Why did he lie about meeting the Ambassador? About which offshore account he used to transfer money? About his operating gold mines? His net value in the insurance business is less than 3m so how can he give 9m to Farage as well as fund him a house, bodyguard etc to the tune of 500k p.a that Farage neglected to tell anyone about? Riddle me that Sherlock.

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                              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                If its after Oct 31 and no chance of a 'new deal' or hope of a 'no deal' leave what does he pitch to the electorate ?

                                A better deal
                                Not going to happen - the EU will wait.

                                Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                That is if you vote for him so rally the masses. Use the time between now & then to deliver so as to create a good impression.

                                No logic, this is all emotions. Make people believe he will deliver
                                That being the only option left.


                                Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                So an extension seems likely
                                He has ruled that option out too; the UK will leave the EU on All Saints Eve (October 31). If they get that far...



                                Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                What happens if he wins that election and comes back stronger. Why not. People like him.

                                Not voting for the Tories or brexteers, voting for Boris !

                                Then the EU calculation changes ?
                                It is of course possible though unlikely that he could get a decent majority if he held an election before October 31 in which case the EU may be more inclined to somehow find some solution that could be passed in the UK Parliament. Problem is he has ruled out an election before leaving the EU on October 31st. So basically he is living on borrowed time until a confidence vote is called on a 'no deal' self destruction alternative. I do not care how much he blusters or how many classical allegories he makes about Pericles or Churchill even, he cannot square the circle.

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