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  • tankie
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    Where do you get your news from zara , the world according to clegg and farron ???


    Like stated ,,cabbage ,, you are playing both sides of your worn out record and have been ever since the UK voted OUT , have you anything new to add so this misogynistic xenophobic racist vacous PATRIOT can try to understand if you have anymore than one brain cell left working ,,ps Trump ,, the only politician who is doing what he said he would , all before him stated the same but did SFA about what they said , buttttttttt ohhhhhh no ,, income the libtards like you sprouting racist ,refreshing in a politician to do what they say they would .hey ho .


    Remember this MAN zara , he gave along with the fallen , you , a future .and then et tu brute .

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    But along came Squire Farage ,,,and there not laughing now huh . yuk f#####n yuk .
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  • zara
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    Originally posted by tankie View Post
    And the irish dont / the french dont / the swedes dont / the greeks dont , the germans dont , your running out of places to move to aintchya .
    Where do you get your news Tankie? Donalds Twitter feed?

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  • tankie
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    There it is... 'I want my country back'...

    The utterly vacuous emotion at the heart of this entire calamity.
    And the irish dont / the french dont / the swedes dont / the greeks dont , the germans dont ,sarky me huh , your running out of places to move to aintchya .

    zara , turn the record over ,

    bliar ,major , heseltine all in the eu paypocket . your heros dont give a f##k about us or the eu as long as the money keeps rolling in .
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  • zara
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    There it is... 'I want my country back'...

    The utterly vacuous emotion at the heart of this entire calamity.
    Last edited by zara; 28 Feb 17,, 14:41.

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  • Toby
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    Did you read the full transcript of Majors speech? It's one of the best essays I think I've read on Brexit.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02...ll-transcript/


    Just out of interest, are you one of the brexiteers hopeing for a 'clean break' or 'cliff edge' ? (call it what you will)

    Do you think crashing out to WTO rules is a tolerable or even positive scenario? And on that basis, with Trump now turning his sights on the WTO doesn't that leave the UK highly vulnerable?
    Starting to sound like a questionnaire.. I get out of bed around 7:45, Walk the dog till about 9.00. Come back wash and feed him coz he's filthy,especially at the moment. Then I go to work where I meet every race, creed n' ethnic whatsy mi call it under the sun...Which in the main can be quite interesting. Apart from at the moment when I'm working on the website and need to take breaks before my head explodes.... I like John Major as a person, but was he ever a prime minister? er..probably not! I want my country back Zara and I know as do many that there will probably be a price tag on that. so WTO... cliff hanger... hoping ....brexiteer??? Just headlines to me!!

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  • zara
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    Did you read the full transcript of Majors speech? It's one of the best essays I think I've read on Brexit.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02...ll-transcript/


    Just out of interest, are you one of the brexiteers hopeing for a 'clean break' or 'cliff edge' ? (call it what you will)

    Do you think crashing out to WTO rules is a tolerable or even positive scenario? And on that basis, with Trump now turning his sights on the WTO doesn't that leave the UK highly vulnerable?

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  • Toby
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    I think when people hear 'Control our Borders', they think 'reduce immigration'.
    I know most leave voters didn't vote for zero immigration, but they surely wanted a drastic cut, perhaps to 'the tens of thousands'.

    Irrational hatred of foreigners has been whipped up for decades by a large part of the Brexit supporting press (who you rightfully described as poison) so the Kippers and their less savoury allies are used to blameing every ill on immigrants and muslims.

    The brexit promises are gradually being dismantled one by one, this is a decision that the country will surely come to regret.

    To quote Jayan Ganesh, of the FT:

    Brexit is an idea whose only effective rebuttal is its own implementation.
    There is more chance of Britain leaving and then rejoining in stages than there is of Britain never leaving in the first place ... It is a matter of steering the evolution of British laws and institutions towards the EU norm, until the gap between membership and non-membership withers. This is not just possible, it is probable. The best argument against exit was never the steep downside so much as the measly upside. Sovereignty is a dream: the gravitational pull of a unified Europe on our medium-sized nation is too strong.
    I Accept there has been a withering away of our own home grown democracy, which has led to huge resentment. Partly exaggerated by Adult Comics like the SUN, MAIL etc...but none of these right wing media outlets would have a foot to stand on if we had been given a proper vote ...We only ever voted for a trade deal.. and have been denied a vote on every major decision since. Yes our Politicians Namely EDWARD HEATH, JOHN MAJOR, TONY BLAIR have sold us out. How Blair and Major can now spout on TV about not leaving when they are responsible for the current mess is beyond me.

    Fully aware of the difference between people who can and will integrate and those who never will, I'm born and bred in a northern mill town. That means I'm highly qualified, in fact it means I have a distinction on the subject far superior to any Cambridge doctorate! ;-)

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  • zara
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    Originally posted by Toby View Post
    The vast majority of people who voted to leave the EU did so to regain control of our borders and our law making decisions. Clearly to stop Professional people and workers from coming here and adding to our economy is dumb. It's about numbers and controlling the flow, not to stop people completely. I thought you'd have realised that by now.
    You can't base your opinion on people who voted leave on a small group of xenophobes and racists within its ranks. I understand the fear of an extremist right wing, but I think its woefully ill founded.

    I think when people hear 'Control our Borders', they think 'reduce immigration'.
    I know most leave voters didn't vote for zero immigration, but they surely wanted a drastic cut, perhaps to 'the tens of thousands'.

    Irrational hatred of foreigners has been whipped up for decades by a large part of the Brexit supporting press (who you rightfully described as poison) so the Kippers and their less savoury allies are used to blameing every ill on immigrants and muslims.

    The brexit promises are gradually being dismantled one by one, this is a decision that the country will surely come to regret.

    To quote Jayan Ganesh, of the FT:

    Brexit is an idea whose only effective rebuttal is its own implementation.
    There is more chance of Britain leaving and then rejoining in stages than there is of Britain never leaving in the first place ... It is a matter of steering the evolution of British laws and institutions towards the EU norm, until the gap between membership and non-membership withers. This is not just possible, it is probable. The best argument against exit was never the steep downside so much as the measly upside. Sovereignty is a dream: the gravitational pull of a unified Europe on our medium-sized nation is too strong.

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  • Toby
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    Could be the start of the Brexit brain drain I guess? The UK is already leaking high skill jobs to other EU capitals and New York.
    Would be interesting to see if Australia has had a similiar surge.
    We've had a Brain drain as you call it... to America, Australia, New Zealand etc for the last 2-3 centuries. Worried? Er No!

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  • Toby
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    So in the Brexiteer world view, who are we trying to get rid of? If not the low skilled agriculture and service sectors then who?
    The medical professionals? The IT workers?

    Or is it the builders, plumbers, electricians etc as they are the ones competing with working class jobs?
    The vast majority of people who voted to leave the EU did so to regain control of our borders and our law making decisions. Clearly to stop Professional people and workers from coming here and adding to our economy is dumb. It's about numbers and controlling the flow, not to stop people completely. I thought you'd have realised that by now.
    You can't base your opinion on people who voted leave on a small group of xenophobes and racists within its ranks. I understand the fear of an extremist right wing, but I think its woefully ill founded.

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  • zara
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    Originally posted by Toby View Post
    In the area I'm familiar with he rightly said

    “In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time. It will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs. Don’t expect just because we’re changing who makes the decision on the policy, the door will suddenly shut – it won’t.”

    Bit obvious really, certainly in the hospitality sector British workers in the main are pretty useless, Most don't know how to give service. Which is why the jobs are taken by workers from Italy etc
    So in the Brexiteer world view, who are we trying to get rid of? If not the low skilled agriculture and service sectors then who?
    The medical professionals? The IT workers?

    Or is it the builders, plumbers, electricians etc as they are the ones competing with working class jobs?

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  • Toby
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    whats your thoughts on David Davis statement about how it will take 'years and years' to bring immigration down?
    In the area I'm familiar with he rightly said

    “In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social-care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time. It will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs. Don’t expect just because we’re changing who makes the decision on the policy, the door will suddenly shut – it won’t.”

    Bit obvious really, certainly in the hospitality sector British workers in the main are pretty useless, Most don't know how to give service. Which is why the jobs are taken by workers from Italy etc

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  • Parihaka
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    Could be the start of the Brexit brain drain I guess? The UK is already leaking high skill jobs to other EU capitals and New York.
    Would be interesting to see if Australia has had a similiar surge.
    You've had a serious brain drain for 15 years, replacing high knowledge workers generally indigenous to Britain with low knowledge service workers from Europe. Yes Brexit has exacerbated it but it was already happening and yes Australia is taking record numbers as is the rest of the commonwealth.

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  • zara
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    Originally posted by Toby View Post
    Controlled immigration is sensible. Surprises me how many Italians living in the UK think leaving the EU is a good thing to do.....They seem very concerned about the massive influx Italy has received. Europe just seems to be in collective denial about numbers or the type of immigration. Sweden for example has hidden it refugee problem from media attention and seems to think that by ignoring the organised crime, prostitution, drugs etc brought in by the immigrants that it will fix itself, Socialism I think they call it.
    whats your thoughts on David Davis statement about how it will take 'years and years' to bring immigration down?

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  • zara
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    Originally posted by tankie View Post
    [B]With France on the verge of frexit if M,Penn gets in , my my she upset some people refusing to wear a headscarf ? but yes the Frogs will be hopping over in vast numbers methinks , hey zara if your looking for a slow easy pace of life you only have to cross the border or stay where you are , when we were stationed in Lurgan i found the life style there wonderful , slow n easy , shame about the troubles tho , a lovely country all round .
    I actually live in Manchester now, I grew up in Northern Ireland (near Derry), I do love it but we both decided we didn't want our kids growing up with the sectarianism there, thats why we moved to England.

    Still hopeful that both Le Pen and Wilders will lose!
    If the EU implodes, Zealandia will be looking pretty good!
    Last edited by zara; 26 Feb 17,, 02:19.

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