Where do you get your news from zara , the world according to clegg and farron ???
Like stated ,,cabbage ,, you are playing both sides of your worn out record and have been ever since the UK voted OUT , have you anything new to add so this misogynistic xenophobic racist vacous PATRIOT can try to understand if you have anymore than one brain cell left working ,,ps Trump ,, the only politician who is doing what he said he would , all before him stated the same but did SFA about what they said , buttttttttt ohhhhhh no ,, income the libtards like you sprouting racist ,refreshing in a politician to do what they say they would .hey ho .
Remember this MAN zara , he gave along with the fallen , you , a future .and then et tu brute .
But along came Squire Farage ,,,and there not laughing now huh . yuk f#####n yuk .
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Originally posted by zara View PostThere it is... 'I want my country back'...
The utterly vacuous emotion at the heart of this entire calamity.
zara , turn the record over ,
bliar ,major , heseltine all in the eu paypocket . your heros dont give a f##k about us or the eu as long as the money keeps rolling in .Last edited by tankie; 28 Feb 17,, 15:12.
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Originally posted by zara View PostDid you read the full transcript of Majors speech? It's one of the best essays I think I've read on Brexit.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02...ll-transcript/
Just out of interest, are you one of the brexiteers hopeing for a 'clean break' or 'cliff edge' ? (call it what you will)
Do you think crashing out to WTO rules is a tolerable or even positive scenario? And on that basis, with Trump now turning his sights on the WTO doesn't that leave the UK highly vulnerable?
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Did you read the full transcript of Majors speech? It's one of the best essays I think I've read on Brexit.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02...ll-transcript/
Just out of interest, are you one of the brexiteers hopeing for a 'clean break' or 'cliff edge' ? (call it what you will)
Do you think crashing out to WTO rules is a tolerable or even positive scenario? And on that basis, with Trump now turning his sights on the WTO doesn't that leave the UK highly vulnerable?
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Originally posted by zara View PostI think when people hear 'Control our Borders', they think 'reduce immigration'.
I know most leave voters didn't vote for zero immigration, but they surely wanted a drastic cut, perhaps to 'the tens of thousands'.
Irrational hatred of foreigners has been whipped up for decades by a large part of the Brexit supporting press (who you rightfully described as poison) so the Kippers and their less savoury allies are used to blameing every ill on immigrants and muslims.
The brexit promises are gradually being dismantled one by one, this is a decision that the country will surely come to regret.
To quote Jayan Ganesh, of the FT:
Brexit is an idea whose only effective rebuttal is its own implementation.
There is more chance of Britain leaving and then rejoining in stages than there is of Britain never leaving in the first place ... It is a matter of steering the evolution of British laws and institutions towards the EU norm, until the gap between membership and non-membership withers. This is not just possible, it is probable. The best argument against exit was never the steep downside so much as the measly upside. Sovereignty is a dream: the gravitational pull of a unified Europe on our medium-sized nation is too strong.
Fully aware of the difference between people who can and will integrate and those who never will, I'm born and bred in a northern mill town. That means I'm highly qualified, in fact it means I have a distinction on the subject far superior to any Cambridge doctorate! ;-)
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Originally posted by Toby View PostThe vast majority of people who voted to leave the EU did so to regain control of our borders and our law making decisions. Clearly to stop Professional people and workers from coming here and adding to our economy is dumb. It's about numbers and controlling the flow, not to stop people completely. I thought you'd have realised that by now.
You can't base your opinion on people who voted leave on a small group of xenophobes and racists within its ranks. I understand the fear of an extremist right wing, but I think its woefully ill founded.
I think when people hear 'Control our Borders', they think 'reduce immigration'.
I know most leave voters didn't vote for zero immigration, but they surely wanted a drastic cut, perhaps to 'the tens of thousands'.
Irrational hatred of foreigners has been whipped up for decades by a large part of the Brexit supporting press (who you rightfully described as poison) so the Kippers and their less savoury allies are used to blameing every ill on immigrants and muslims.
The brexit promises are gradually being dismantled one by one, this is a decision that the country will surely come to regret.
To quote Jayan Ganesh, of the FT:
Brexit is an idea whose only effective rebuttal is its own implementation.
There is more chance of Britain leaving and then rejoining in stages than there is of Britain never leaving in the first place ... It is a matter of steering the evolution of British laws and institutions towards the EU norm, until the gap between membership and non-membership withers. This is not just possible, it is probable. The best argument against exit was never the steep downside so much as the measly upside. Sovereignty is a dream: the gravitational pull of a unified Europe on our medium-sized nation is too strong.
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Originally posted by zara View PostCould be the start of the Brexit brain drain I guess? The UK is already leaking high skill jobs to other EU capitals and New York.
Would be interesting to see if Australia has had a similiar surge.
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Originally posted by zara View PostSo in the Brexiteer world view, who are we trying to get rid of? If not the low skilled agriculture and service sectors then who?
The medical professionals? The IT workers?
Or is it the builders, plumbers, electricians etc as they are the ones competing with working class jobs?
You can't base your opinion on people who voted leave on a small group of xenophobes and racists within its ranks. I understand the fear of an extremist right wing, but I think its woefully ill founded.
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Originally posted by Toby View PostIn the area I'm familiar with he rightly said
“In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time. It will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs. Don’t expect just because we’re changing who makes the decision on the policy, the door will suddenly shut – it won’t.”
Bit obvious really, certainly in the hospitality sector British workers in the main are pretty useless, Most don't know how to give service. Which is why the jobs are taken by workers from Italy etc
The medical professionals? The IT workers?
Or is it the builders, plumbers, electricians etc as they are the ones competing with working class jobs?
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Originally posted by zara View Postwhats your thoughts on David Davis statement about how it will take 'years and years' to bring immigration down?
“In the hospitality sector, hotels and restaurants, in the social-care sector, working in agriculture, it will take time. It will be years and years before we get British citizens to do those jobs. Don’t expect just because we’re changing who makes the decision on the policy, the door will suddenly shut – it won’t.”
Bit obvious really, certainly in the hospitality sector British workers in the main are pretty useless, Most don't know how to give service. Which is why the jobs are taken by workers from Italy etc
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Originally posted by zara View PostCould be the start of the Brexit brain drain I guess? The UK is already leaking high skill jobs to other EU capitals and New York.
Would be interesting to see if Australia has had a similiar surge.
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Originally posted by Toby View PostControlled immigration is sensible. Surprises me how many Italians living in the UK think leaving the EU is a good thing to do.....They seem very concerned about the massive influx Italy has received. Europe just seems to be in collective denial about numbers or the type of immigration. Sweden for example has hidden it refugee problem from media attention and seems to think that by ignoring the organised crime, prostitution, drugs etc brought in by the immigrants that it will fix itself, Socialism I think they call it.
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Originally posted by tankie View Post[B]With France on the verge of frexit if M,Penn gets in , my my she upset some people refusing to wear a headscarf ? but yes the Frogs will be hopping over in vast numbers methinks , hey zara if your looking for a slow easy pace of life you only have to cross the border or stay where you are , when we were stationed in Lurgan i found the life style there wonderful , slow n easy , shame about the troubles tho , a lovely country all round .
Still hopeful that both Le Pen and Wilders will lose!
If the EU implodes, Zealandia will be looking pretty good!Last edited by zara; 26 Feb 17,, 02:19.
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