Brexit

[tankie]

The way its going now , we will never be free of this carbuncle , theres been more behind the scenes going on than meets the public eye , and May with all her talk can not be trusted to deliver .

[zara]

There are anomalies throughout Europe, exceptions have to be made. All this one size fits all is ridiculous.

There are exceptions within the single market, like Norway and Sweden, Switzerland and its neighbours. An exception outside the single market would break the free market. It just doesn't work. The only European country outside the single market is Belarus, and now were are looking to join them.

Lucky Belarus

[zara]

We'll I've got a very vocal Remainer and Lib Dem member for my secret Santa this year. So I've bought him one of these:

[zara]

The way its going now , we will never be free of this carbuncle , theres been more behind the scenes going on than meets the public eye , and May with all her talk can not be trusted to deliver .

It's impossible to deliver what was promised. If you want complete sovereignty with full control of the borders the price is a huge hit to our economy, living standards and public services. The PM knows this and at some point Brexiteers are going to have to come down off cloud nine and face up to that reality.

[Toby]

There are exceptions within the single market, like Norway and Sweden, Switzerland and its neighbours. An exception outside the single market would break the free market. It just doesn't work. The only European country outside the single market is Belarus, and now were are looking to join them.

Lucky Belarus

Well break the so called free market then. Whats free about it anyway?????
Its not us that has no idea where this is all leading.....its the europhiles that are scared to death...Coz there jobs and pensions are up the Khyber pass...Good luck with Belarus you deserve each other!

[snapper]

Good luck with Belarus you deserve each other!

Luck is needed with Belarus - currently the most valuable geo - strategic space in Europe equal to the same level, if not not higher, than the Dniepr.

[Toby]

Luck is needed with Belarus - currently the most valuable geo - strategic space in Europe equal to the same level, if not not higher, than the Dniepr.

Why is it so valuable... Farming land?

[tankie]

Pat says it as it is ,,,VOTE.

https://youtu.be/6K7YXaNw2CU

[Doktor]

Why is it so valuable... Farming land?

Because it's a buffer between Poland and Russia. Just like Ukraine.

With the extra points to connect the Baltics on a wider line.

[Toby]

Because it's a buffer between Poland and Russia. Just like Ukraine.

With the extra points to connect the Baltics on a wider line.

From what I can glean from certain members on here....Russia is not a threat in that its armour would be annihilated if it ever ventured West.

[Toby]

UK manufacturers sees post-Brexit bounceback - survey
(Writing by Adela Suliman; Editing by William Schomberg)

A slump in British manufacturing is showing signs of lifting thanks to higher new orders at home and the prospect of more demand from abroad spurred by the fall in the value of the pound after June's Brexit vote, a survey showed on Monday.

A stabilisation in oil prices - which could lead to more orders from the petroleum sector - helped to improve the outlook for the sector, the survey showed.

But increasing inflation pressures and a squeeze on profits meant manufacturing was still likely to contract in 2017.

"This is the most upbeat reading on the state of manufacturing we've seen for some 18 months and signals the start of brightening conditions, which had been briefly knocked off course following the referendum," Lee Hopley, EEF's chief economist, said.

Output for manufacturers picked up significantly with the balance of firms reporting growth jumping from -7 percent in the third quarter to +13 percent, the first time the overall balance was positive since the second quarter of 2015, EEF and BDO said.

The orders pipeline turned positive for the first time in five quarters and the improved conditions were spurring a rebound in recruitment and investment intentions.

Separately on Monday, the British government said the value of planned private and public investment in infrastructure projects had passed 500 billion pounds for the first time.

The projects in the pipeline included transport and homebuilding projects and broadband improvements that were outlined by finance minister Philip Hammond on Nov. 23 when he announced Britain's first budget plans since the June referendum decision to leave the European Union.

Hammond hopes higher levels of investment in British infrastructure will help the economy to cope with its divorce from the EU.

[tankie]

What now with Italian vote and Austrian vote ,both PMs gone !!!

[zara]

Well break the so called free market then. Whats free about it anyway?????
Its not us that has no idea where this is all leading.....its the europhiles that are scared to death...Coz there jobs and pensions are up the Khyber pass...Good luck with Belarus you deserve each other!

Sorry sloppy phrasing on my behalf. Meant 'Single', not 'Free'

Don't you see this would break the UK single market as well as the European one. You couldn't control the products or people coming into the country.

'Good luck with Belarus you deserve each other'?
I think you misunderstood my point. The UK would join Belarus as the only European country out of the single market.

[zara]

What now with Italian vote and Austrian vote ,both PMs gone !!!

Well the new Austrian president was a relief to the centrist parties in Europe, the Italian referendum was a blow.

However the next election isnt until 2018, so it probably won't mean much in the short term unless they call an early election. Doubt they will do that when the 5 star movement is looking strong.

[zara]

You can actually watch the Supreme Court Brexit case live here:

https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html