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  • It is not I that needs to block you as I respect the fact you voted leave and like you I hope it can end well; to me your view is not a personal affront. Not so in reverse I fear so it is you that needs to come to terms with the fact that I have my views but do not intend them as a personal attack on you. However I am happy to oblige your request.

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    • Originally posted by snapper View Post
      The vote proved that it was mainly the older generations who voted for Brexit, the younger ones mainly voted remain. Since in my view it was a mistake that will leave Britain less well off and the world less secure yes I do think the older generations that voted leave made a mistake that their children will have to pick up the real consequences of.
      Completley agree. I think many of older generation think that true soverignty still exists in the modern world, like it did before the UK joined the EC. Unfortunately, everything has changed since then. Business is global, labour is mobile, supply chains straddle continents and arbitration must be performed by international institutions. If Brexit goes ahead I really feel we've betrayed the next generation.

      Though I think the real demography to blame for this is my own one (25- 40) year olds. You can't blame the young, they will always have a low turn out, but only 55% of the 25-40 year olds turned out to vote. That's disgraceful in my view, when our generation benefitted so much from the EU and the freedom of movement.
      Last edited by zara; 23 Nov 16,, 15:04.

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      • Originally posted by tankie View Post
        Correct zara , but the euro if your gonna be honest is on the brink , correct brexit was not about destroying the EU , but if le penn gets in i reckon theres no way it wont collapse .
        The Euro is a safer currency that the Pound right now, and is performing a lot better than Sterling since the referendum. Hell, the Argentine Peso and Venezulan Bolivar is safer right now..

        http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee...16/10/sterling

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        • Originally posted by tankie View Post
          The truth , hahahahahahaha , you bet your life i know better ,one small statement on your post and this crap would not have happened , but im glad it did because of your snidey underhand patronising politicians way of saying/doing things ,and your ASS,UMPTIONS snapper go back to page 3 , read and digest just how your truth has been pulled to pieces , you have been and will continue to make B/S statements , ps when does your prediction of ww3 start caused by brexit , thats just one of your statements , go on , go back and read it all , every little morsel , EVERY BIT OF IT then digest .still like a true politician you will squirm n lie out of everything you predicted , you wont be happy until this thread is closed ,,but your statements and replies ( not just by me ) will still be there .Zegnaj ,,ps my children n g/children already voted , not that its any of your concern ,,but guess how they voted ? YOU made this personal .And again make it my fault , why not try 17.5 million people fell for an illusion , orrrrr 17.5 who DIDNT

          Tankie, do not assume that which is not proven to be fact. And you are getting very close to the line with the name calling. As i have already said, ratchet it down.
          Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.
          Mark Twain

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          • So we've just borrowed another 122 billion to pay for the insanity of Brexit...
            You can run the whole NHS on a year for that money, never mind the interest

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            • Originally posted by snapper View Post
              It is not I that needs to block you as I respect the fact you voted leave and like you I hope it can end well; to me your view is not a personal affront. Not so in reverse I fear so it is you that needs to come to terms with the fact that I have my views but do not intend them as a personal attack on you. However I am happy to oblige your request.
              Oh i agree now with everything you have posted snapper , after rereading , your right , im totally wrong on everrrrrything , i bow to your vast font of knowledge ( which is supreme , a veritable oracle ) and hang on every word your lips let loose , which every word the members here on this thread agrees with you . Please dont go , stay in the UK and go for PM s job , you would surely be the best ever . xxx big hugs , TTFN
              Last edited by tankie; 23 Nov 16,, 19:30.

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              • Originally posted by zara View Post
                So we've just borrowed another 122 billion to pay for the insanity of Brexit...
                You can run the whole NHS on a year for that money, never mind the interest
                Who borrowed it zara , tory govt ? why ? who voted 6 to 1 for a ref ? who never had an exit plan ? why does the govt send billions in aid to countries that do not need it and would like to kill us ? why ? if we stopped paying in to the EU would that not cover the cost or some of it , maybe all , why not ? the money paid into this corruption from 1972 would have funded the worlds health ,there seems to be millions found for other projects in the UK while austerity abounds and foodbanks abound
                Last edited by tankie; 23 Nov 16,, 18:09.

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                • Originally posted by tankie View Post
                  Who borrowed it zara , tory govt ? why ? who voted 6 to 1 for a ref ? who never had an exit plan ? why does the govt send billions in aid to countries that do not need it and would like to kill us ? why ? if we stopped paying in to the EU would that not cover the cost or some of it , maybe all , why not ? the money paid into this corruption from 1972 would have funded the worlds health ,there seems to be millions found for other projects in the UK while austerity abounds and foodbanks abound

                  We won't make any savings by from paying into the EU Tankie, because that money is the price of the single market. Without tariff free trade and more importantly regulatory free trade, our business's and exporters are far less profitable, meaning the tax take shrinks. Even Boris described it as a trivial fee for the single market.

                  Foreign aid is another subject (12 billion a year). But forcing our children and grandkids to pay back the 122 billion plus interest for Brexit is morally disgusting. We shouldnt be doing it.

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                  • Originally posted by zara View Post
                    We won't make any savings by from paying into the EU Tankie, because that money is the price of the single market.
                    Just as a note there: If the UK got a soft Brexit and managed to negotiate for Norwegian access conditions - which is rather unlikely - upscaled accordingly to British GDP at the time of the vote it'd have saved about 1-2 billion pounds a year compared to previous contributions as a member to the EU. Of course those 1-2 billion would then have likely gone into related costs on top of the Norwegian conditions, such as paying for British national former EU staff (which, in a lump sum, would probably amount to anywhere between 5 and 10 billion, and will definitely be an item of contention in exit talks if the UK ever dares to declare Article 50).

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                    • Kato , PM May is on the news at tho mo , stating 50 will be invoked 2017 , we will see , I have my doubts .

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                      • The EU commission is an unelected, unaccountable Racket, filled with Europe's failed political class. Living the high life and justifying their existence by creating an endless stream of bureaucratic regulation. None of which they personally suffer.
                        Luckily, enough of us remember what Great Britain is suppose to stand for and actually had the nerve to vote leave. Unfortunately, many of the younger generation don't understand the national pride felt by previous generations and dismiss them as a bunch of xenophobes at best or closet racists at worst. The internationalist (socialist) agenda at work via the EU is its own enemy, as it has nothing but contempt for its own citizens. I haven't met one Italian, Cypriot/Greek, Pole etc (and I talk to many) that disagrees with the UK leaving, not one. In fact, quite the opposite. They say we've shown real balls! The only people that are complaining about the result in the UK are people who have been doing very nicely out of it while the rest of us have struggled with over regulation...

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                        • Originally posted by Toby View Post
                          The EU commission is an unelected, unaccountable Racket, filled with Europe's failed political class. Living the high life and justifying their existence by creating an endless stream of bureaucratic regulation. None of which they personally suffer.
                          Luckily, enough of us remember what Great Britain is suppose to stand for and actually had the nerve to vote leave. Unfortunately, many of the younger generation don't understand the national pride felt by previous generations and dismiss them as a bunch of xenophobes at best or closet racists at worst. The internationalist (socialist) agenda at work via the EU is its own enemy, as it has nothing but contempt for its own citizens. I haven't met one Italian, Cypriot/Greek, Pole etc (and I talk to many) that disagrees with the UK leaving, not one. In fact, quite the opposite. They say we've shown real balls! The only people that are complaining about the result in the UK are people who have been doing very nicely out of it while the rest of us have struggled with over regulation...
                          Which regulations are you looking forward to getting rid of?

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                          • Originally posted by zara View Post
                            Completley agree. I think many of older generation think that true soverignty still exists in the modern world, like it did before the UK joined the EC. Unfortunately, everything has changed since then. Business is global, labour is mobile, supply chains straddle continents and arbitration must be performed by international institutions. If Brexit goes ahead I really feel we've betrayed the next generation.

                            Though I think the real demography to blame for this is my own one (25- 40) year olds. You can't blame the young, they will always have a low turn out, but only 55% of the 25-40 year olds turned out to vote. That's disgraceful in my view, when our generation benefitted so much from the EU and the freedom of movement.

                            Zara would you support a law that dictates every eligible voter must vote regardless , ?

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                            • Originally posted by tankie View Post
                              Zara would you support a law that dictates every eligible voter must vote regardless , ?
                              Like they do in Australia? One of my friends got a 50 dollar fine for not voting!
                              Not sure about that... maybe... think I'd need to read up on it before forming a view.

                              Just think that so many in the 25-40 bracket (I know a few) just assumed remain would win so didnt bother to vote. I dont blame the young or the old for the outcome, I blame my generation.


                              As an opponent of the EU tankie, are you hoping for a 'No' vote in Italy next week?
                              Last edited by zara; 24 Nov 16,, 11:17.

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                              • PS. I should correct my earlier comments that we've borrowed 122 billion to pay for Brexit - The office for Budget responsibility says that 58.7 billion is directly attributable to Brexit. Still outrageous - We could run the military and the police for a year for that figure.

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