Brexit

[cataphract]

Repulsive or not it is certainly legally valid though it would be equally legally valid to have another referendum on the terms agreed for leaving following Article 50 negotiations.

That's an interesting thought. Maybe it would've made sense to iron out the terms of Brexit before putting it to referendum, just so that the unwashed masses knew what they were voting for. Cameron really put the cart before the horse here.

[tankie]

That's an interesting thought. Maybe it would've made sense to iron out the terms of Brexit before putting it to referendum, just so that the unwashed masses knew what they were voting for. Cameron really put the cart before the horse here.

I reckon its because they thought the vote would not be out and they would carry on with bizz as usual , so no exit strategy was in their mind needed ! The Tories badly underestimated the feelings of the , electorate, or the great unwashed masses , Camoron stated there will be no 2nd vote because he thought there would be a resounding vote to stay in so therefore denying the brexiteers the chance of another vote until it went their way ,which is what the remain camp is busy trying to do now .Democracy, what democracy !! PM May is saying the things the brexits want to hear , have to wait n see on delivery.

[zara]

Repulsive or not it is certainly legally valid though it would be equally legally valid to have another referendum on the terms agreed for leaving following Article 50 negotiations.

It is a legal non event. It's non-binding and simply advisory. The government has no obligation to carry out the advice of the public.
There is a case in the high court that should rule soon whether Parliament need a vote to activate A50. From what I've read it sounds positive, so hopefully parliament can overturn the referendum results.

Also It breaks the good-friday agreement which could have disastrous consequences. But the Brexiteers only think about kicking out Johnny Foreigner.

[zara]

Awwww worrah worrah worrah , and screw your opinion polls as well , showing your true colours now huh ,,remoaners remoaning , instead of whingin and moaning why not try working towards making the UK great again ,, here from the Telegraph sweet cheeks ,,ohhh by the way ,,,we are , OUT OUT OUT , just in case you missed it , TTFN
[/B]

What opinion polls?
Make the UK great again? Are you serious? You sound like Trump! 'Remoaners' are trying to stop you lot from flushing the country and the future of our children down the toilet!
Brexit is responsible for the murders of that Polish child and Joe Cox. Brexit is responsible for the rise in hate crime. Is this really your idea of 'making the UK great again'?
May is backing down now and we may win the court case, so we still have a fighting chance to stop Brexit.

[tankie]

/\ no comment ,,especially to your post ref murder , no comment ,tho i would dearly love to , but , no comment , except to ask you a Q ,,,do you believe in democracy , yes or no ?

[Pedicabby]

What opinion polls?
Make the UK great again? Are you serious? You sound like Trump! 'Remoaners' are trying to stop you lot from flushing the country and the future of our children down the toilet!
Brexit is responsible for the murders of that Polish child and Joe Cox. Brexit is responsible for the rise in hate crime. Is this really your idea of 'making the UK great again'?
May is backing down now and we may win the court case, so we still have a fighting chance to stop Brexit.

Are you insane?

[Monash]

Tankie, democracy is not a means in and of itself but rather the end to a means. It permits the citizens of a country to elect representatives who they believe at the time will take their best interests as citizens to heart, obviously it also allows voters to remove representatives they believe do not.

What it is does not do is guarantee that that those electors will always make what with hindsight proves to be the correct decision. This is because voters (being human) are fallible. I'm sure many Germans believed Hitlers promises of bright future when they elected him into the Chancellery in 1933. Guess what? it turned out that this wasn't perhaps wasn't the best move they could have made.

Point is that that just because a majority of people in the UK voted 'Yes' (by a narrow majority) its doesn't follow that those people who voted yes were right. History will be the final judge of that, not the voters. And questioning that decision by itself does not make someone anti-democratic (quite the opposite in fact). As individuals we all make decisions we later come to regret - the question now is will the voters of the UK come to regret this decision?

[tankie]

Monash , the country voted to be out , yes the govt is elected to do the bidding of the electorate who put them there . We voted out and the govt is abiding by it , (at the moment ) and maybe with hindsight our brexit MAY be not the right thing , wait n see is the cry , however if govt renages and denies democratic process , then surely thats dictatorship , democracy is gone , the best speech any politician ever made IMO was by , Reagan .

https://youtu.be/qPSK7Weko3w

[Monash]

That's an interesting thought. Maybe it would've made sense to iron out the terms of Brexit before putting it to referendum, just so that the unwashed masses knew what they were voting for. Cameron really put the cart before the horse here.

A point I have tried to to hammer home on several occasions. First come up with a model and then let the voters choose. This way was just easier for the anti-EU pollies, win the referendum and the election then fluff your way through to a result.

It' sort of like the voters of the UK were collectively the contestants on a cheap game show where the host gives them the chance of taking home a new toaster, Door A (stay in the EU) or a 'mystery prize', Door B (leave the EU). Point being the mystery prize could be anything from a brand new Ferrari to a night of passion with Donald Trump and the contestants won't know which one they get till they open door B. Lets all sit back and see what prize the UK wins.

[Monash]

however if govt renages and denies democratic process , then surely thats dictatorship , democracy is gone , the best speech any politician ever made IMO was by , Reagan .

Whether or not the current leadership of the UK decides to renege will depend in the end on the quality of the deal they negotiate. If as I suspect it is not particularity good (as opposed to bad) then I anticpate they will take the cowards way out and leave the final decision to 'the will of the electorate' via another referendum. (Thereby dodging any responsibility for the consequences of their original bad decision). Of course if it is a good/generous agreement there will be no chance of another referendum because the anti EU camp will obviously want to claim credit for the result. As they say, success has may fathers, failure is an orphan.

[tankie]

A point I have tried to to hammer home on several occasions. First come up with a model and then let the voters choose. This way was just easier for the anti-EU pollies, win the referendum and the election then fluff your way through to a result.

It' sort of like the voters of the UK were collectively the contestants on a cheap game show where the host gives them the chance of taking home a new toaster, Door A (stay in the EU) or a 'mystery prize', Door B (leave the EU). Point being the mystery prize could be anything from a brand new Ferrari to a night of passion with Donald Trump and the contestants won't know which one they get till they open door B. Lets all sit back and see what prize the UK wins.

my post 692 monash

[tankie]

Whether or not the current leadership of the UK decides to renege will depend in the end on the quality of the deal they negotiate. If as I suspect it is not particularity good (as opposed to bad) then I anticpate they will take the cowards way out and leave the final decision to 'the will of the electorate' via another referendum. (Thereby dodging any responsibility for the consequences of their original bad decision). Of course if it is a good/generous agreement there will be no chance of another referendum because the anti EU camp will obviously want to claim credit for the result. As they say, success has may fathers, failure is an orphan.

haha yup , sounds about right

[zara]

/\ no comment ,,especially to your post ref murder , no comment ,tho i would dearly love to , but , no comment , except to ask you a Q ,,,do you believe in democracy , yes or no ?

Parliamentry democracy yes. Populist racist polls?
Not at this cost.

This is what Brexit has done to the UK.

[tankie]

Parliamentry democracy , B/S no , you dont ,,,,,side step , nice posters by the way ,brexit posters huh , not BNP etc ,ohhh yes and not only flyposters but murderers also , keep it up ,ffs,how old are you ?? .pedicabby has asked you a question by the way .

[zara]

Parliamentry democracy , B/S no , you dont , nice posters by the way , keep it up .

Yes I get it, youd rather deny that it was happening and go to cloud brexit land where the junking of our currency is a good thing, Hate crime is made up by the BBC, and the vote had nothing to do with hatred of foreigners. Of course Im not saying thats why you voted, but the vote could not have been won with the far right support.