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  • Originally posted by snapper View Post
    If that were true then since SACEUR is by tradition a US appointment...?
    How far down the ranks does "leadership" go?
    If the tradition is top man is American, next isn't, then I would say it doesn't fit.
    Trust me?
    I'm an economist!

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    • Originally posted by snapper View Post
      Thankyou but why and how then, presuming these 'Pruzzi' were 'proto Prussians' did the Prussians become Germanised?
      300 years of assimilation and breeding. Same as Saxons and Normans in Britain joining together around the same time. With a racist undertone: this is partially why most Prussians don't really "look German" but closer to Polish and Russian north slavic ethnicities.

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      • Now ,,about the 350 million , what a fabulous institution huh , still there are some who like it and will defend it , please feel free , but not with my ripped off cash thanks . ??

        EU TOTAL WASTERS Staggering scale of Brussels’ waste revealed as audit exposes millions spent on ineligible, non-existent and plain batty projects
        EU had a whopping £128billion budget to play with but misspent so badly on dud projects it still managed to lose money
        BY HARRY COLE, WESTMINSTER CORRESPONDENT 14th October 2016, 12:40 am

        THE EU’s Court of Auditors failed to give the troubled union’s accounts a clean bill of health for the 22nd year in a row, it was claimed last night.

        Bungling Eurocrats stand accused of mishandling their whopping €142.6 billion budget so badly that the EU’s liabilities now exceed its assets by a huge €72.4 billion.

        Last night they were blasted for a “breathtaking waste” of taxpayers’ cash.

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        The EU’s spending has exceeded its assets for the 22nd year in a row, as revealed by a damning report on its unbalanced books
        A damning probe of the EU books found they were “materially affected by error”, with 3.8 per cent of the sums wrong.

        This was almost double the 2 per cent “error rate” considered acceptable by their accounts who said they had “adverse opinion” of the ledgers.

        EU budgets ALAMY
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        EU books were ‘materially affected by error’ according to the damning new report which blasts examples of EU waste and mismanagement
        The beancounters also said “warning signs went unnoticed” by the hated European Commission.

        In a damning 320-page report, the Court of Auditors blasted various examples of EU waste and mismanagement.

        Daft spending projects included an un-receipted €874,309 “loan” to Mozambique and a €16,500 donation to a fake youth club in Azerbaijan.

        Cows standing in a row looking at camera. Image shot 2009. Exact date unknown. ALAMY
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        Huge sums of money sent for Romanian animal welfare were deemed ‘ineligible’ uses of EU funding
        The latest accounts also revealed Italian officials spent €4,000 on a mountain bike, and €3,500 on panoramic spyglass as part of an €80,000 spending spree.

        €100,000 was also awarded for “building dry stone walls” which the Court says had no link to any EU objectives.

        €152 million in animal welfare payments to Romania were deemed “ineligible”.
        Last edited by tankie; 14 Oct 16,, 16:14.

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          • Interestingly, the EU budget cited is almost exactly 10% of the current British government debt.

            In case anyone wonders - the article Tankie posted there is from The Sun, which explains the language.

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            • Originally posted by kato View Post
              Interestingly, the EU budget cited is almost exactly 10% of the current British government debt.

              In case anyone wonders - the article Tankie posted there is from The Sun, which explains the language.
              Correct , the sun .and ? does it not suit your thoughts or agenda ? if you think the sun has written or posted wrongly , ,dispute it with facts .
              Last edited by tankie; 14 Oct 16,, 18:20.

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              • So now Scotland is making noises about holding a 2nd plebiscite about whether or not to stay in the Union - using the Brexit negotiations as the excuse. Who didn't see this coming? The question is of course this time, if they vote 'yes' to secede (at the same time applying to stay in the EU) what happens next? Do Wales and Norther Ireland follow? and if they do what is left? Does the City of London demand the right to leave as an independent entity? Does the UK go through a decade of division and recriminations, ending up as a irrelevant rump State, a nuclear armed, historic anachronism with no real purpose in the world any more?
                Last edited by Monash; 15 Oct 16,, 07:46.
                If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                • Originally posted by tankie View Post
                  EU not a dictatorship , ??? yea ok whatever floats your boat , tusk , rumpoye,schultze ,merkel , etc etc and the rest , worship them all you wish , 17+ Brits , poms , etc , million dont . Get over it , we have democratically voted OUT . live with it here and work for it , or leave to Eire .and the remoaners , most of which couldnt be arsed going to vote thinking it was a forgone conclusion ,and want a rerun until they get the vote they want , I FIND OFFENSIVE ,,, leave , and best of British to you .
                  Assad is a dictator. Mugabe is a dictator. Saddam Huseein was a dictator. Donald Tusk, Rumpoye etc are not.
                  You need to stop spouting that drivel Tankie, it makes you sound a snarling loony.

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                  • Originally posted by tankie View Post
                    Correct , the sun .and ? does it not suit your thoughts or agenda ? if you think the sun has written or posted wrongly , ,dispute it with facts .
                    There are such things as reputable sources Tankie. If you post from the gutter press, don't be suprised if it's not taken seriously.

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                    • Originally posted by Monash View Post
                      So now Scotland is making noises about holding a 2nd plebiscite about whether or not to stay in the Union - using the Brexit negotiations as the excuse. Who didn't see this coming? The question is of course this time, if they vote 'yes' to secede (at the same time applying to stay in the EU) what happens next? Do Wales and Norther Ireland follow? and if they do what is left? Does the City of London demand the right to leave as an independent entity? Does the UK go through a decade of division and recriminations, ending up as a irrelevant rump State, a nuclear armed, historic anachronism with no real purpose in the world any more?
                      The remain campaign warned that a Hard Brexit could breack up the UK, but the Brexiteers are so fundamentalist in their hatred of foreigners that they think its a price worth paying. Scotland will leave, there's little doubt about that, and who can blame them?

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                      • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                        There is a difference between a 'democratic deficit' and a dictatorship.
                        Even the idea of a democratic deficit is misunderstood by most people. The EU commissioners are appointed by our own elected governments, no one else.
                        Our government could easily have the commissioners directly elected. The reason they wont do this is that it would undermine national parliaments. If the commissioners are accountable to the public rather than the heads of government they would lose control of them.

                        To say theres a democratic deficit would be the same as the US because the president appoints the secretary of state, but no-body suggests that.
                        Last edited by zara; 17 Oct 16,, 11:19.

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                        • Originally posted by zara View Post
                          The remain campaign warned that a Hard Brexit could breack up the UK, but the Brexiteers are so fundamentalist in their hatred of foreigners that they think its a price worth paying. Scotland will leave, there's little doubt about that, and who can blame them?
                          This goes to what always made me despair of the 'Brexit' camp i.e.the 'fundamentalist' nature of their cause which (like all fundamentalists) seems to have not only blinded them to the the potential consequences of their actions but also instilled a belief that no preparation was essential in the event of a successful 'yes' vote. Hence in this case the complete and utter non-existence of any kind of plan or road map for dealing with the consequences.

                          I mean for f'sake any sane person deciding to embark on a career or thinking about starting a business has - a plan, getting married - a plan, thinking about starting a family (usually) - a plan. Companies contemplating growth or expansion - a plan, politicians wanting to win an election - a plan, generals wanting to win a war - a plan. A scientist envisioning a new idea - a plan to achieve that vision, an athlete or wanting to make it to the top of their field - a plan.

                          Deciding to leave the EU - NO PLAN, lets just wing it. The sheer intellectual dishonesty of certain leading lights in the yes camp was and is is staggering. Call it a dream, vision, brain fart, whatever you want IMO the leaders of the Brexit camp owed it to the people of the union to go to the vote enunciating at least a basic vision of the post exist relationship they wanted the UK to have with the EU. None of them came close to enunciating anything like that.
                          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                          • Originally posted by kato View Post
                            Interestingly, the EU budget cited is almost exactly 10% of the current British government debt.

                            In case anyone wonders - the article Tankie posted there is from The Sun, which explains the language.
                            Just for you kato ,, the express .

                            European Commission denies fraud problem after EU auditors FAIL to sign off accounts AGAIN

                            THE European Commission has denied that Brussels has a problem with fraud after the EU’s auditors refused to sign off its accounts for the 21st year running.

                            By DAVID MADDOX
                            PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Oct 14, 2016 | UPDATED: 10:40, Fri, Oct 14, 2016





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                            President of the European CommissionGETTY
                            European Commission has denied Brussels having a fraud problem (President Jean-Claude Juncker)hahahahaha


                            The 141.5 billion euro budget for 2015 - including £20 billion from Britain - has been blasted by the Court of Auditors for being "materially affected by error".

                            The court has issued an "adverse opinion" - reserved for serious accountancy failures - on the legality and regularity of the payments underlying the accounts.

                            The report highlights dubious areas of spending, including a bid for a monorail for olive farmers in Italy.

                            The European Union misspent £4.9billion last year, according to its annual audit.

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                            European Commission meeting in BerlinGETTY
                            The Commission insisted the ‘level of error’ is not a measure of fraud, inefficiency or waste
                            It also discovered a 152 million euro overpayment to Romania for animal welfare and 325 cases of non-compliance with Single Market rules.

                            In other cases 10,000 euros went as a donation to a church while 16,500 euros went to a "non-existent" youth club.

                            However, the Commission insisted: "As the court points out itself, the 'level of error' is not a measure of fraud, inefficiency or waste.

                            Ukip MEP Jonathan ArnottGETTY
                            Ukip MEP Jonathan Arnott said it's a good thing that British people voted Brexit
                            I am sure that when we’re outside the EU we can cut waste
                            Ukip MEP Jonathan Arnott
                            "It is an estimate of the money that should not have been paid out because it was not used fully in accordance with EU rules.

                            "Fraud is something completely different - it is an intentional deception and a criminal offence."

                            Ukip MEP Jonathan Arnott, a member of the EP's budget control committee said : "It's a good thing that the British people voted to leave the European Union when we did because the levels of waste and bureaucracy are absolutely breath taking.

                            European Commission meeting in BrusselsGETTY
                            The 141.5 billion euro budget for 2015 has been blasted by the Court of Auditors
                            "That's the nature of a system that simply isn't fit for purpose.

                            "These examples of waste would make you think the EU is being run by 'Count Von Count' from Sesame Street."

                            He added: "Taxpayers' money is being wasted left, right and centre, the EU has obviously lost control of the money tap.

                            "I am sure that when we're outside the EU we can cut waste, when we can cut out the middleman and look after our own businesses ourselves.
                            Last edited by tankie; 17 Oct 16,, 14:52.

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                            • Timberrrrrrrrrrrrr ,, from the Express


                              'The Euro is FINISHED' Currency's creator says it will soon COLLAPSE and destroy the EU

                              THE Euro is a ticking time bomb which will soon blow up and wipe out the whole EU project in its wake, the currency's creator has said in an extraordinary warning today.

                              By NICK GUTTERIDGE
                              PUBLISHED: 09:13, Mon, Oct 17, 2016 | UPDATED: 10:07, Mon, Oct 17, 2016





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                              Euro founder Otmar IssingGETTY
                              Euro founder Otmar Issing has predicted that the currency will collapse
                              In an explosive intervention professor Otmar Issing predicted that Brussels' dream of a European superstate will finally be buried amongst the rubble of the crumbling single currency he designed.

                              The respected economist launched a withering attack on eurocrats and German leader Angela Merkel, accusing them of betraying the principles of the euro and demonstrating scandalous incompetence over its management.

                              And he savaged the whole idea of a United States of Europe, saying the attempt to push through federalisation by the back door had churned the ground the currency was built on into a quagmire of patchwork legislation, into which it is fast sinking.

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                              Prof Issing's extraordinarily brutal attack should act as a sharp wake-up call to European leaders who have pledged to accelerate the process of ever-closer integration after Britain leaves the bloc.

                              And it will put the world on alert of an impending economic catastrophe, with the predicted collapse of the Euro likely to spark a cataclysmic chain of events for financial institutions across the globe.

                              The leading economist was especially scathing of the European Central Bank (ECB), of which he was the first chief, accusing it of being too quick to dish out cash to failing banks and countries.

                              Angela MerkelGETTY
                              The respected expert savaged EU leaders including Angela Merkel
                              The European Central BankGETTY
                              The Euro currency is in dire straits and may not survive the next global downturn
                              And he was equally ferocious in his assessment of Jean-Claude Juncker's beleaguered EU Commission, which he accused of betraying the Euro on the altar of its superstate dream.

                              Prof Issing blasted: "One day, the house of cards will collapse. Realistically, it will be a case of muddling through, struggling from one crisis to the next.

                              "It is difficult to forecast how long this will continue for, but it cannot go on endlessly."

                              In an extraordinarily candid outburst he rounded on Europe's leaders, saying their incompetence had created an "overwhelming moral hazard" which could bring generations of misery to hundreds of millions of ordinary Europeans.


                              One day, the house of cards will collapse
                              Euro creator Otmar Issing
                              He blasted the Commission and the ECB for failing to enforce strict rules on bailouts designed to protect the euro, saying they had become too riven with political backslapping.

                              Describing the Euro project as being on a "slippery slope", Prof Issing said it was only the combination of cheap oil, a cheap euro, quantitative easing and less fiscal austerity that had disguised its huge fundamental weakenesses.

                              And he predicted that the currency is so troubled that it will not survive the next global financial downturn, no matter how much political will there is to save it.

                              He said: "The Stability and Growth Pact has more or less failed. Market discipline is done away with by ECB interventions. So there is no fiscal control mechanism from markets or politics. This has all the elements to bring disaster for monetary union.

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                              • The accounts thing is more Europhobic lies, long ago debunked.

                                http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36276175

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