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  • zara
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    Why do you think she hates democracy? She is there to represent Scotland which overwhelming voted to stay in the EU. In fact, one of the strongest arguments that the remain campaign (for Scottish independence, not the EU referendum) gave was that 'Scotlands place in the EU is only guaranteed by remaining in the UK'.

    I know you only care about England and that is what is so upsetting to those of us from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar. Brexiteers threw us under a bus - no-one cares about peace in Northern Ireland or the wishes of Scotland and the economic catastrophe that will envelop Gibraltar with Brexit.

    Brexit has broken the United Kingdom and its dissolution will be the likely result.

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  • tankie
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    Thats what she's saying, but its not what she wants. If the UK remains in the EU she has no justification for a 2nd referendum on Scottish independance.. Surely you can see through her words?
    Not as good as you do , but there again what jimmy cranky says or does doesnt really bother me zara , she hates democracy as far as i can see , im much more interested in ENGLAND , but i do note her hypocracy , hence my post ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ooops there i go again , mysoganistic me huh , lol . big hugs n sloppy kisses .incommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmming .

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  • zara
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    Thats what she's saying, but its not what she wants. If the UK remains in the EU she has no justification for a 2nd referendum on Scottish independance.. Surely you can see through her words?

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  • tankie
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    Sturgeon isn't trying to scupper the referendum, thats the last thing she wants to do. She wants to use the referendum to convince the Scottish people to leave the UK. Brexit is the best thing that could have happened for the SNP. It gives the Scots a real strong moral and economic reason to leave the UK. If I were a Scot I would have voted to remain in 2014, but now I would firmly vote to leave.
    She firmly wants the UK to stay in the EU .

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  • zara
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    Originally posted by tankie View Post
    Hypocracy is alive and thriving in Scotland , Sturgeon is determined to try n scupper a democratic vote by the people over brexit ,then sends this to POTUS Elect Trump ,,, politicians huh .

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    Sturgeon isn't trying to scupper the referendum, thats the last thing she wants to do. She wants to use the referendum to convince the Scottish people to leave the UK. Brexit is the best thing that could have happened for the SNP. It gives the Scots a real strong moral and economic reason to leave the UK. If I were a Scot I would have voted to remain in 2014, but now I would firmly vote to leave.

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  • tankie
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    Hypocracy is alive and thriving in Scotland , Sturgeon is determined to try n scupper a democratic vote by the people over brexit ,then sends this to POTUS Elect Trump ,,, politicians huh .

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  • tankie
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    Originally posted by zara View Post
    I didnt mean you Tankie - The article said that Brexiteers were outraged
    I know Zara , but don't believe all we read , I constantly read things like , Muslims demand this or that , I ain't heard em tho , anyhoo l hope you get all you wish because either way it goes now ,people are gonna cry foul, see that , me hoping for you , not bad for a misogynist huh , ps , my missus told me to write that , ,,,wink.
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  • zara
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    I didnt mean you Tankie - The article said that Brexiteers were outraged

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  • tankie
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    Im not outraged one iota zara , yes after trumps win last night , lets hope politicians begin to realise who pays their wages , and who they work for .

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  • zara
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    Originally posted by tankie View Post
    Your gonna love this zara , but its a minefield full of deviously planted mines , this is the , divide n rule plan , but how , indeed if its ever considered how its going to be make workable is a task n a half .
    That would certaintly help my husband and save us a fortune in naturalisation fees, but I can't see it happening... Why would they agree to this? All of the EU rights but none of the responsibilities...

    I dont see why the Brexiteers are outraged over this? Why do they want to deny rights to those who want them?

    After the Trump win today I think we may be looking at Madame Presidente Le Pen next year. The West is in big trouble.

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  • tankie
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    Your gonna love this zara , but its a minefield full of deviously planted mines , this is the , divide n rule plan , but how , indeed if its ever considered how its going to be make workable is a task n a half .


    The European Parliament is to consider a plan that would allow British citizens to opt-in and keep their European Union citizenship – and its associated benefits – once the UK leaves the EU.

    The proposal, which has been put before a parliamentary committee as an amendment, would grant the citizens of former member states the voluntary right to retain “associate citizenship” of the EU.

    Associate citizens would be allowed to keep free movement across the EU as full citizens currently enjoy and would be allowed to vote in European Parliament elections, meaning they were still represented in Brussels.


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    How to keep your EU citizenship after Brexit
    The proposal could potentially give Brits who live and work across borders a workaround to the disruption caused by the Leave vote – and young people looking to flee an increasingly insular UK greater choice over where to move to.

    Amendment 882 was proposed by Charles Goerens, a liberal MEP from Luxembourg. It will be considered by the European Parliament’s Constitutional Affairs Committee, which is drawing up a report with recommendations on “Possible evolutions of and adjustments to the current institutional set-up of the European Union”.

    Brexit campaigners in Britain reacted with anger to the idea, arguing that it would discriminate against Leave voters and that it was “an outrage”.

    The amendment suggests the provision of “European associate citizenship for those who feel and wish to be part of the European project but are nationals of a former Member State; offers these associate citizens the rights of freedom of movement and to reside on its territory as well as being represented in the Parliament through a vote in the European elections on the European lists”.

    Though the British Government has been coy on what it wants Britain’s post-Brexit future to look like, it is likely that British citizens will lose the automatic right to live and work in the EU after Brexit.



    This is because Theresa May has made clear that she would like to restrict freedom of movement from EU countries to the UK – a policy that would likely be reciprocated by the EU for British citizens.

    Jayne Adye, director of the Get Britain Out campaign described the proposal as divisive and said it was “totally unacceptable” for British people to retain the advantages of EU membership.

    “This is an outrage. The EU is now attempting to divide the Great British Public at the exact moment we need unity. 17.4 million people voted to ‘Leave’ the EU on June 23rd and as a result the UK as a whole will get Brexit,” she said.

    “Brexit means laws which impact the people of the UK will be created by accountable politicians in Westminster. It is totally unacceptable for certain citizens in the UK to subject themselves to laws which are created by politicians who are not accountable the British people as a whole.

    “Discriminating against people based on their political views shows there are no depths the EU will not sink to.”
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  • astralis
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    YF,

    The finger can also be pointed at the liberals that keeps telling them they are being held down by racism, sexism or whateverism by the white man.

    You keep telling them that crap and there is no limit to what sort of stupidity they will believe in because it absolve them of any responsibility.
    eh...no empirical evidence of this. France has a legally "color-blind" society, so things like affirmative action or talking about race are considered taboo. somehow i don't think racial matters in France are any better because race isn't discussed. banlieues still exist and racial resentment still run high in quite a few places.

    I have no problem with multiculturalism when it springs up spontaneously. I have a problem with it when it's force-fed down our throats by the government.
    multiculturalism has -always- been force-fed by a government, whether in an empire or a democracy. jews and arabs didn't fight in Palestine when the Ottoman Empire were around because they loved each other, it was because they both feared getting stomped on. desegregation in the US didn't happen because it "sprung up spontaneously". "no irish or chinese need apply" didn't disappear spontaneously.

    culture and law/government is inextricably linked, there's nothing "natural" about it.

    You adopt to the country you are in and not try to change it to where you came from.
    it's both, really, and should not be an "one or another" proposition. even if you don't accept the multicultural "mixed salad" idea of the nation, even the "melting pot" idea implies that there's going to be traces of the old country culture mixed in. we'd all be poorer without a japan-town or pho or celebrating a diwali.

    i certainly agree with you that immigrants should follow the laws of the nation, but once they're citizens there's absolutely nothing wrong with them playing a part in changing said laws and culture, so long as they get everyone else on board too.

    the irony about the statement "when in rome, do as the romans do" is that roman culture was a huge amalgamation of other cultures. greek learning for the elites, etruscan/celt culture for the not-so-elite, greek/egyptian religious pantheon, later replaced by a middle eastern monotheist religion.

    by the way, all of this is NOT saying that multiculturalism is ALWAYS good and that it should work for everyone. there's pros and cons, and it'll differ for each country.
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  • tankie
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    From kato's fav paper so its probably bollox ,but remainers here will like it ,,,News Corp is a network of leading companies in the worlds of diversified media, news, education, and information services.

    THE SUN, A NEWS UK COMPANY .

    'THEY VOTED TO LEAVE!' Lib Dem peer gets eviscerated by John Humphrys as she hints her House of Lords colleagues will block Brexit

    Veteran broadcaster tears strips off Baroness Ludford as she suggests Lib Dems in the Lords may deny the will of the people


    COMMENTS
    AN UNELECTED Lib Dem peer has hinted her party may ‘deny the will of the people’ by trying to stop Britain leaving the European Union.

    Theresa May had hoped to be able to trigger Article 50 – and start the formal Brexit process – without the agreement of Parliament.

    Baroness Sarah Ludford ALAMY

    Baroness Sarah Ludford has sparked fury by suggesting Lib Dems in the House of Lords could block Brexit

    But last week’s momentous High Court decision that Parliament must have a say has triggered a must win vote for the Government in the Commons.

    And today Baroness Ludford implied her party would make it difficult for Mrs May in the House of Lords.

    The party’s Brexit spokeswoman in the Lords sparked an angry reaction this morning when she said the Lib Dems want to know exactly what the Government’s direction was.

    Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme she said: “What we want is for the government to come forward with a coherent negotiating plan, which they have had four months to do.

    John Humphrys PA

    John Humphrys was very frustrated with Baroness Ludford on the Today Programme this morning
    “The ball is entirely in their court.

    “There doesn’t need to be any more delay.

    “We are completely prepared to act in good faith if the government does.”

    After saying she wanted to know “exactly” what the destination is the veteran broadcaster John Humphrys blasted: “You know what the destination is.

    “We will be leaving the European Union.

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    “That is what the nation voted for.”

    She said a hard Brexit was “not in the interests of the country” and it was not what people voted for in June.

    This was given short shrift by Humphrys who told her people did not vote for hard or soft Brexit, they just voted for Brexit.

    And he added that if the Lib Dems vote against the Government’s plan in the House of Lords then they would be “denying the will of the people”.

    Speaking after the High Court ruling last Thursday, Daily Express reports Lib Dem leader Tim Farron said: “Ultimately, the British people voted for a departure but not for a destination, which is why what really matters is allowing them to vote again on the final deal, given them the chance to say no to an irresponsible hard Brexit” ,,,,,,,,FFS Any excuse to delay and scupper, we voted out , not hard or soft , OUT libtard tosser. But its his choice , its democracy , unfortunately he doesnt understand it .

    Nigel Farage REUTERS

    The Ukip boss warned there would be disturbances on the street if MPs sought to block Brexit

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    Nigel Farage blasts Chief Wrexiteer Gina Miller over Article 50 legal
    Yesterday interim Ukip leader Nigel Farage warned any attempt to stop Brexit could trigger “unprecedented political anger”.

    Speaking on the Andrew Marr show on BBC One he said: “If the people in this country think they're going to be cheated, they're going to be betrayed, then we will see political anger the likes of which none of us in our lifetimes have ever witnessed in this country."

    "The temperature of this is very very high.

    “I'm going to say to everybody watching this who is on the Brexit side, let's try and get even.”

    And he said: "The House of Lords' problem is there are 104 Liberal Democrat peers who appear to be pledged to delaying the process as much as possible.

    "This could be the end of the House of Lords.

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  • tankie
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    Originally posted by YellowFever View Post
    I agree with you, man.

    The finger can also be pointed at the liberals that keeps telling them they are being held down by racism, sexism or whateverism by the white man.

    You keep telling them that crap and there is no limit to what sort of stupidity they will believe in because it absolve them of any responsibility.

    I have no problem with multiculturalism when it springs up spontaneously. I have a problem with it when it's force-fed down our throats by the government.

    You adopt to the country you are in and not try to change it to where you came from.



    Spot on yella , unfortunaley in the UK they have no go areas now , Tower hamlets being the HQ , apparently even the cops ask permission to enter so im led to believe , they seem to be in cahoots with the culture , an easy google defines this , i know people wont believe this but corruption within is afoot , gadzooks .


    Tower Hamlets Council - TheWharf
    www.wharf.co.uk/all-about/tower-hamlets-council

    in the links this one is a good read

    How corrupt Lutfur Rahman was allowed to get away with it
    Last edited by tankie; 08 Nov 16,, 04:55.

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  • tankie
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    Originally posted by snapper View Post
    Basically I never had a problem with Sikhs or Hindus or Buddhists if they want to go to Britain and do the best for themselves, their families and the country as long as they respect and obey British law and custom. I do have a problem with 'sharia law' being practiced etc when it is not the law the of the land. When in Rome do as the Romans.
    Absaloooooooooooootly agree .

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