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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThe old made the deal. The old didn't like the way the deal turned out. The old has the right to leave the deal that they've made in the first place.
As much as I love my daughter, she has no say on how I spend her inheritance, aka my money.
The Brits have been in the E.U twice as long as these people have been alive. The Brits have been voting in the E.U a shit load longer at voting age than these people have.
These "Grey" People have been through a TRUE great depression, a World War, The Cold War, a cultural revolution, the EU's creation, a seizmic shift in Industry, the Falklands, and Wars they have highly disapproved of. Then you get this absolute retardation of thought saying "You don't have to live with your decision". It's pathetic, but it's the nasty little viper that has grown in it's coddled nest.Ego Numquam
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Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
Furthermore, if, as that young angry man in the video stated, that the Brexit vote was a "crushing victory," why is the "leave camp" so afraid of a second referendum? Wouldn't there just be another "crushing victory"?
Infowars... geez us Christ."We are all special cases." - Camus
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Afraid?
So, there will be referendum after referendum after referendum... The point is?
Wait, you think there should be another one for the lazy ones who sat this one.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostAfraid?
So, there will be referendum after referendum after referendum... The point is?
Wait, you think there should be another one for the lazy ones who sat this one."We are all special cases." - Camus
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What is/are the reasons for people older than 50 voting more for brexit ?
I recall hearing there were over a million Brits in Spain that could draw their pensions there, now they are going to have to get it from the UK.
Saving money that would have to go to MEP's. They think the EU is corrupt. They don't like Germans setting terms, this is likely to annoy the older lot more. Sovereignty etc.
UK wanted to join the EEC in '63 believe it or not. This was after the humiliations of Suez & Rhodesia. Also still recovering from the war. De Gaulle blocked it, did not think the Brits would be respectful enough. UK could only join in '73 because DeGaulle wasn't around any longer. Then two years later they had a referendum, which is kinda odd that it happened so soon. So even back then there were doubts. The oldies got their chance to decide once and for all. The emotional won over the rational.
They wanted life as they knew it when they grew up back. But how to do that. Their generation saw the biggest productivity gains imaginable. With improvements in transport, electricity, various machines etc than after. The toilet flush does more for average productivity than twitter (!)
People without degrees also voted to leave. So there is a class divide here. Average working wage buys less than it did a few decades ago. Ergo no Brit wants to do jobs like this. The foreigners come in and get blamed for taking away low paying jobs or depressing already low wages. i don't buy into the johnny foreigner pretext. If you want to run your business you need to keep your costs down and if foreigners help with that then you get to stay in business. Helps the growth rate.Last edited by Double Edge; 26 Jun 16,, 11:10.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostWhat is/are the reasons for people older than 50 voting more for brexit ?
I recall hearing there were over a million Brits in Spain that could draw their pensions there, now they are going to have to get it from the UK.
Saving money that would have to go to MEP's. They think the EU is corrupt. They don't like Germans setting terms, this is likely to annoy the older lot more. Sovereignty etc.
UK wanted to join the EEC in '63 believe it or not. This was after the humiliations of Suez & Rhodesia. Also still recovering from the war. De Gaulle blocked it, did not think the Brits would be respectful enough. UK could only join in '73 because DeGaulle wasn't around any longer. Then two years later they had a referendum, which is kinda odd that it happened so soon. So even back then there were doubts. The oldies got their chance to decide once and for all.
People without degrees also voted to leave. So there is a class divide here. Average working wage buys less than it did a few decades ago. Ergo no Brit wants to do jobs like this. The foreigners come in and get blamed for taking away low paying jobs or depressing already low wages. i don't buy into the johnny foreigner pretext. If you want to run your business you need to keep your costs down and if foreigners help with that then you get to stay in business. Helps the growth rate."We are all special cases." - Camus
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Originally posted by Squirrel View PostF*cking Infowars? You're "taking the piss", right? Tell me you're not serious...
Furthermore, if, as that young angry man in the video stated, that the Brexit vote was a "crushing victory," why is the "leave camp" so afraid of a second referendum? Wouldn't there just be another "crushing victory"?
Infowars... geez us Christ.
This more to your liking?
We find ourselves in a moment of global fear. The democratic identities of Britain and the United States are under threat — not from immigrants or even changing values, but from nationalists and xenophobes exploiting citizens' darkest worries with populist projects, including Donald Trump’s campaign for the U.S. presidency and Brexit. To many voters, the world is a scary place. Terrorists seem to lurk everywhere. Uncertainty surrounds us. Change is rapid and some aren't keeping up. Unsurprisingly, politicians of many stripes are capitalizing on our fears to rally voters against trade, immigration and international cooperation.Last edited by Parihaka; 26 Jun 16,, 11:34.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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Originally posted by Goatboy View PostWhat makes you think the EU is worried Scotland is Greece? I repeat: Has any prospective EU member been refused if they meet the Copenhagen criteria? Why would the EU, which was emphatically supportive of the UK remaining, suddenly think a piece of it (Scotland) should be denied and left to its own, AFTER a pro-secession break-up?
Here in Los Angeles, referendums for mundane things like increasing the budget for subway construction by increasing sales tax by .5% needs 66% to pass. 3 years ago it got 65%, and failed. Get my drift? Other jurisdictions have 60% as a threshold, still others 55%. Depends.
The young includes mothers and fathers with teenage children. I'm talking about the Brexit voter demographic spread.
How long has EU been around? Just a few decades, just like a blink of an eye in history scale. ANYTHING can happen. People never thought Brexit was possible. Now people like you are crying like baby. Again, ANYTHING can happen.
We are talking about UK, not US right? Each country has her own rule. Funny when the left like to point to UK when they talk about US gun control. Now they point to US when they talk about UK referendum.
Its a very simple math. There were more people who voted leave than those who voted remain. You lost, fair and square. Any attempt to 'analyse' the result just makes you a bunch of whining childish losers.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostBritain never entered the euro.
Same anxiety, do my expenses go up as much. They did not. Pound eventually recovered.
Was watching a local program on Brexit and they could not find any problems with economy. UK does 44% of its trade with the EU that goes through just two countries Holland & Germany. So get an agreement with them and you're done.
India has been trying to get an FTA with the EU but the UK kept blocking it on the IT services.
Guess we won't have to worry about that any more :D
The fall out of Brexit is mostly political. we will see how it develops.Last edited by Double Edge; 26 Jun 16,, 11:50.
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Originally posted by Chunder View PostAgain, if Scotland want out, let them go. Im happy with calling the U.K Great Britain.
N.Ireland will have an international border with Ireland. This will be problematic for the good friday agrement.
The Scots and N.Irish are going to feel hard done by with brexit. Rug just got pulled from underneath. Seems the older people there were not so adamant about getting out. Funny that. Wonder why ?Last edited by Double Edge; 26 Jun 16,, 12:25.
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Originally posted by Squirrel View PostYou wouldn't be implying that immigration could actually be a good thing for countries with dismal demographic outlooks are you? Outrageous!
Who's going to pay into your health care and pensions ?
Brexit or not immigration won't change. Complete red herring. Because you're not going to get rid of NHS or social benefits with full on austerity.
In fact the worse thing is now YOUR people want to immigrate out. Irish have been busy of late, processing applications from Brits.
If a british passport no longer opens the same doors maybe an Irish one will.Last edited by Double Edge; 26 Jun 16,, 12:13.
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Originally posted by Goatboy View PostJust meet the list of criteria for entry. Should be a piece of cake. There's no reason why the EU wouldn't fast-track Scotland's entry. Sweden joined in a hurry, from application to accession in 3.5 years. Copenhagen requirements are already basically met. Besides, Of course Scotland would have to secede from the UK first.
Just because the EU isn't perfect, doesn't mean cut and run is a good idea. EU reform is an excellent idea, one that's needed, and one which the UK could have helped mold from within. But I don't think Germans, Irish, Swedes and Czechs are in danger of serfdom. The fact is that there are enormous advantages for nations integrating into the EU. Disadvantages too, but dystopian superstate isn't one of them. The British people were free before they left the EU, and free after. just marginalized, fractured and increasingly frustrated with those Brexit supporters who made a bad call.
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