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Welsh Muslim told to 'pack bags and go home' following Brexit
Tankie, good or bad for people having work permits? :-)Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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citanon,
Nope. It will grow.
First, the the power of the European commission will diminish, leaving nation states in Europe stronger by default.
Secondly, I suspect UK will actually benefit economically by practicing transatlantic trade agreement arbitrage. There is already talk of a UK US trade agreement. You could imagine this could extend to UK and China. If so then UK might well achieve entrepot status as a smooth interface between European and RoW regulations. In other words, the UK might get more say then ever in trade policy and even European regulations, while making quote a bit of extra money.
"leave" is one of those theoretically good ideas that is far more problematic in the execution. i think it's a fair statement to say that there will be very significant costs to the UK in the short-term, moderate costs to the UK in the medium, and only IF all the right decisions are made will there be a long-term payoff.
as for the EU itself, my belief in their abilities to use this to "get their sh*t together" is far, far lower than my trust that the UK can execute this all perfectly.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostIt certainly ain't yours.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostComing from a Gentleman who can read "a NATO exercise" from "a Polish exercise" and "Poland can guarantee Baltic security" from "the Baltic's are indefencible" should I read that as implying that the world is all mine, although I did not say that?Chimo
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And what's it at now? You panic and you threw a hissy fit.
Your tantrum saying that Tankie's generation/my generation ruined your future, destroyed the UK. Well, young lady, we gave you your future and we saved the West from the Soviets and when we see things we don't like and we acted within our rights, you're the one throwing a hissy fit. You lost your vote. Deal with it like an adult.
BREXIT and the Iranian Ayatollahs are launching a Chinese Pearl Harbour! Shessh.Chimo
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Originally posted by astralis View Postcitanon,
think you're overselling it. IE, -if- everything goes perfectly, yes...but for some reason i doubt it will.
"leave" is one of those theoretically good ideas that is far more problematic in the execution. i think it's a fair statement to say that there will be very significant costs to the UK in the short-term, moderate costs to the UK in the medium, and only IF all the right decisions are made will there be a long-term payoff.
as for the EU itself, my belief in their abilities to use this to "get their sh*t together" is far, far lower than my trust that the UK can execute this all perfectly.
Perhaps, but i believe things going right for the UK is easier than you think.
Short term obviously the is now considerable volatility.
Going out next three to five years depends on how quick the agreement. Yes it's a complex matter but everything we do is complex. The real stickler is whether the tone and the goals of the two sides can be reconciled.
In Brussels there is a lot of undertones of punishing Britain but from Berlin and Paris? Zip, Nada, zilch.
In negotiations the EU will fold like wet laundry. This divergence of national and EU interests and goals will automatically spark off the power struggle against Brussels. But with Britain out, Paris and Berlin working against them and popular sentiment in Europe deeply dissatisfied, Brussels has zero political base and will lose badly.
To me it seems these things will actually go on automatic.
As to whether long term things work out better than status quo I think there you are right in that it takes some doing. Britain navigating multiparty trade negotiations to achieve favorable outcome and arbitrage opportunity takes considerable skill. new EU governance being better than status quo takes skill.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostI am all for that but would still argue "united we stand etc" at a time there is a deep threat to Europe.
And you are still thinking of the Russian threat as "a time" when it's more likely "a lifetime".
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I am all for that but would still argue "united we stand etc" at a time there is a deep threat to Europe.To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway
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Originally posted by dan m View PostWhat will the benefit of Brexit be if the UK ceases to be united?
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