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  • Drugs Land Lots of Foreigners on Death Row in Indonesia

    All our aussie members accounted for?
    Graphic: Drugs Land Lots of Foreigners on Death Row in Indonesia

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    Anita Rachman

    This file photo taken on February 14, 2006 shows Australians Andrew Chan (C-glasses) and Myuran Sukumaran (R), drug convicts, being escorted by police to court for their trial in Denpasar, on Bali island. Both have been trasferred to Nusakambangan prison for execution.
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    Indonesia currently has scores of people on death row for drug crimes, and foreigners account for the majority, says Indonesian human rights group Kontras, citing data from the Ministry of Justice.

    Of the 55 inmates facing death sentences for drug-related offenses, 35 are foreigners and 20 are Indonesian citizens, Kontras said.

    M. Akbar Hadiprabowo, a spokesman for the Justice and Human Rights Ministry’s directorate general of penitentiaries, refused to confirm whether the data from Kontras is accurate, though he said the ministry did provide Kontras with some official figures.
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    He confirmed that there are 20 Indonesian inmates on the list; but refused to go into detail, saying the issue of capital punishment is “sensitive.”

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    The country with the second-most citizens on death row for drug crimes in Indonesia is Nigeria, according to the Kontras data, followed by China and Malaysia. The United Kingdom, Pakistan, Australia and Zimbabwe each have two citizens who have been sentenced to death.

    Puri Kencana Putri, head of the research team at Kontras, said the non-profit organization considers capital punishment a heinous act and is currently working to bring more attention to its campaign to have it abolished.

    Indonesia has harsh laws governing drug trafficking and has executed convicted smugglers in the past. The six inmates who faced the firing squad in January – five of them foreigners – were all drug convicts. President Joko Widodo says Indonesia is facing a drug emergency and has rejected calls for clemency from countries with citizens on death row.

    While executions have raised some protests abroad, domestically many Indonesians say they support the death penalty for drug smuggling. [READ: Said On The Street: Should Drug Smugglers Be Executed?]
    Graphic: Drugs Land Lots of Foreigners on Death Row in Indonesia - Indonesia Real Time - WSJ
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    To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

  • #2
    Originally posted by troung View Post
    All our aussie members accounted for?
    Im good,

    I get mules to transport all my narcotics, wouldn't do it myself.
    The best part of repentance is the sin

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    • #3
      Originally posted by chakos View Post
      Im good,

      I get mules to transport all my narcotics, wouldn't do it myself.
      Chakos, you and I need to have a little chat .... after which you can decide what shade of lipstick you want to wear in jail. :)
      If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Monash View Post
        Chakos, you and I need to have a little chat .... after which you can decide what shade of lipstick you want to wear in jail. :)
        On which lips?
        "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus

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        • #5
          BF? Pari?
          To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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          • #6
            Pari is going to ban you for insinuating that he's an Aussie.
            Last edited by YellowFever; 12 Mar 15,, 04:00.

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            • #7
              I'm pretty sure the graph lumped them together. I don't see the difference between the two nations.
              Last edited by troung; 14 Mar 15,, 02:06.
              To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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              • #8
                Originally posted by antimony View Post
                On which lips?
                All of them! :hug: Only he wont be smiling....
                Last edited by Monash; 12 Mar 15,, 10:15.
                If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                • #9
                  Flair for the dramatic and all is nice but this is stating to bore me.... :pop:

                  Indonesia drugs convicts ‘to be executed at same time’

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                  The Indonesian Attorney-General Muhammad Prasetyo says ten convicted drugs offenders will be executed at the same time, once the legal process is over.

                  “We will execute them all at the same time, as long as the preparation is ready, we will execute them all at the same time,” he said after Friday prayer.

                  Appeals are to be heard later this month, amid an international outcry at the sentences.

                  The families of two Australians facing the death penalty have visited their relatives at the top security prison island where most of those convicted have been taken.

                  They include citizens of Australia, France, Brazil, the Philippines, Ghana, Nigeria and Indonesia, and are due to be executed by firing squad.

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                  Indonesia drugs convicts ‘to be executed at same time’ | euronews, world news
                  To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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                  • #10
                    On a more serious note, given the large number of different nationalities involved (especially Western nations) where the death penalty was long ago abandoned it's continued use in Indonesia could generate some interesting diplomatic problems for their government in the long term. Oh, they can ignore Australia's pleas for clemency on behalf of it's nationals after all at the end of the day we are just one middle size power and they have leverage over us courtesy of certain current issues where Australia relies heavily upon Indonesian co-operation for success. But what happens when Brazil, France, the U.S. and the E.U etc all start to pile on the pressure?
                    Last edited by Monash; 14 Mar 15,, 11:21.
                    If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                    • #11
                      You don't use diplomatic pressure out in public - that runs completely counter to the purpose. And - more importantly - you don't do it after people have been sentenced already.

                      Germany is pretty anti capital punishment, and we get German nationals off death row all the time. There's currently only three Germans remaining on death row - one in Malaysia for drug crimes (since 2013), one for a double murder in China (since 2010), and one for murder in the USA (since the mid 80s). Only one of those three (guess which) has executed Germans who were on death row in the last couple decades.

                      "For some reason" Germans who get caught smuggling drugs in Indonesia (and that's not few, about one or two per year) always get lengthy jail sentences instead of death row... odd that, ain't it?

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                      • #12
                        Haven't USA executed a German citizen like a decade ago?
                        No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                        To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                        • #13
                          Last two - brothers - were in 1999. The US violated an ICJ ruling passed at German insistence (and international law) in executing them, see LaGrand case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          The one you might think of is Troy Albert Kunkle, executed in Texas in 2005. Was the son of a US soldier and a German woman and only had US citizenship (mothers did not pass down citizenship till the 70s under German law).

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                          • #14
                            I have to say I find drug offenses a bizarre crime for bringing out capital punishment. Anyone know of the historical-cultural narrative that led Indonesia to implement such a harsh policy ?

                            Originally posted by Monash View Post
                            But what happens when Brazil, France, the U.S. and the E.U etc all start to pile on the pressure?
                            Surely with the right motivation it would be relatively easy to discourage the execution of foreign nationals...

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                            • #15
                              Out of 92 states with capital punishment in the books, 32 nominally apply it to drug trafficking - a full third. Including the USA.

                              As for the legal debate in Indonesia in this regard this article is somewhat helpful:
                              http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...affickers.html

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