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  • Noitartst
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    Originally posted by Solastalgia View Post
    I don't think there's anything good about the rise in nationalism there. There's a lot of nasty fascistic, anti-semitic elements in there that are worrisome.
    ANything? My dear fellow,de facto acceptance of vassalship to Moscow is unhealthy, I think you must admit, and nationalism was necessary to shake it off. Forced to align with either a transnational organization, or else an imperial one, the nationalists have made I think the obvious choice.

    There's a joke, which illustrates: There's a trial, and a fat cat, sporting monocle and top hat, representing capitalism, takes the stand. "Fat cat! How do you plead?" "I'm relatively tame," he says, with the caged lion, tiger, and sabertooth tiger of socialism, feudalism, and communism growl menacingly from their cages.

    Pragmatism and progress, friend.

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  • Solastalgia
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    Originally posted by Noitartst View Post
    In the long run, however, this will be great for Ukrainian nationalism
    I don't think there's anything good about the rise in nationalism there. There's a lot of nasty fascistic, anti-semitic elements in there that are worrisome.

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  • Noitartst
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    In the long run, however, this will be great for Ukrainian nationalism at the expense of Russian regional domination. There may be some twists and turns between there and here, but even so...if Yanukovych survives, he'll be tainted, and there'll be a bigger explosion later.

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  • MrSecond
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    Reportedly, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, one of the opposition leaders, agreed to take the prime-minister post. He doesn't insist on resignation of the president Yanukovich any more. But seems to me it's a bit too late, as Yanukovich left Ukraine for visiting Sochi. Russia suspended the 15 billion's credit for Ukraine as the prime-minister Azarov was resigned, and the same time the West promised a financial aid for Ukraine at 15 billion dollars for vital economic reforms. But western aid is a plan yet, while Russia has already transferred the first 3 billions to Ukraine. Besides, Yanukovich doesn't trust the West after harsh attempts to throw him out. So it's easy to presume Yanukovich goes to Sochi to discuss the personality of the future Ukrainian prime-minister. And in my opinion, that will not be someone from opposition, because the prime-minister becomes very important figure keeping in mind next Rada and presidential elections.

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  • Doktor
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    Originally posted by Mihais View Post
    Bro,I know brutal winters from direct experience.Incidentally,I love them ;)
    If you want to hit Putin,you better do so when he's not watching.Come April and the ringleaders might be dead or in prison.In 2 months,the merry boys from SBU can take out plenty of things.If they can't,the lads of SVR and Spetsnaz can.Time lost never comes back in war.And this is war.It's not an armed conflict,yet.
    Olympic truce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Some people might still hold it true.:hug:

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  • Mihais
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    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    Minnie told you winters are brutal there. Also, Olympics are very near and noone wants to provoke Putin now. He is very emotional and all that.

    Come end of March beginning of April, things will get interesting.
    Bro,I know brutal winters from direct experience.Incidentally,I love them ;)
    If you want to hit Putin,you better do so when he's not watching.Come April and the ringleaders might be dead or in prison.In 2 months,the merry boys from SBU can take out plenty of things.If they can't,the lads of SVR and Spetsnaz can.Time lost never comes back in war.And this is war.It's not an armed conflict,yet.

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  • Doktor
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    Dnieper from the air.

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  • Minskaya
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    Originally posted by Doktor View Post
    Minnie told you winters are brutal there.


    Maidan area in Kyiv on 22 January 2014. The night temperatures are almost always below zero.



    Khreshchatyk Street in Kyiv on a typical winter evening.

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  • Doktor
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    Minnie told you winters are brutal there. Also, Olympics are very near and noone wants to provoke Putin now. He is very emotional and all that.

    Come end of March beginning of April, things will get interesting.

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  • Mihais
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    You, Russians of all sorts go a bit extreme trying to impress.

    Nothing but the usual BS.Comparing to what it was 20 years ago in the East,this Ukrainian affair is pretty poor wrt brutalities of all kinds.The rebels are sticking to sticks,so to speak.The police is unusually passive.At least this is understandable.They have no idea from where the wind is blowing.The army is just talking.
    Still,both sides's PSYOPS are raging 24/7.We need to go beyond Mr./Mrs. X getting a beating in order to comprehend the bigger issues.

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  • MrSecond
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    Dmytro Bulatov arrived for treatment to Lithuania.



    As we can see he's quite alive and happy.

    I don't know why Lithuania. Maybe there are no plasters in Ukraine or no doctors there who can stick plaster to an ear. Of course, it's high skilled job - stickering plasters to ears. Not so many doctors in Europe are able to do such a work.

    And by the way, now we can see some hair on his face. After three days in hospital.
    After seven days "in prison" - no hair.
    After three days in hospital - there are hair.
    Amazing.

    Some more photos here.
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  • omon
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    Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
    Snap! Can't fool you twice...


    Investigative journalist Tetyana Chornovol after being abducted and beaten in December
    yes, this i believe she was beaten, but the guy's face did not look anything like hers.

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  • S2
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    "...Friendly meeting."

    As compared to other recent meetings to which Mr. Bulatov's attendance was stipulated? Yes. Very friendly.

    Notice the difference?

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  • MrSecond
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    Dmytro Bulatov, Automaidan leader, near the US Embassy in Ukraine.

    The last on the right and the last on the left - US Embassy employees.



    Friendly meeting.
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  • MrSecond
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    Official website of Ukrainian police:
    The detained people who attempted to assasinate Tatyana Chernovol have connections to members of party UDAR.
    UDAR party leaded by V.Klichko.

    http://mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/main/r...59D402F8693D27
    Link in Russian, sorry.

    What's that? Bloody regime intrigues, of course... (sarcasm, sarcasm :bang:)

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