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  • According to the Wall Street Journal, Vice President Joseph Biden spoke with Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa by telephone and requested that Ecuador refuse any petition for asylum made by or on behalf of US fugitive Edward Snowden. Correa reportedly explained that no petition for asylum will be considered unless Snowden is actually on Ecuadorian soil. President Correa also reminded Mr. Biden that Ecuador is seeking the capture and extradition of two fugitive Ecuadorian bankers believed to be living in Miami. In other words, a quid pro quo arrangement.

    Biden Called Ecuador's President About Snowden - WSJ.com
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    • You are right about Snapper having Polish ancestry. For the record there is 'ska' over here as well ;)
      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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      • Edward Snowden 'applies for asylum in Russia'
        1 July 2013

        Foreign ministry consul Kim Shevchenko said the request was made on Sunday night. The Kremlin has made no comment. The 30-year-old former CIA analyst is believed to be holed up in a Moscow airport hotel. According to Russia's Interfax news agency, Mr Snowden's application for asylum was handed to a consular official at Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport late on Sunday evening. The application was delivered by Sarah Harrison, a member of the Wikileaks legal team acting as Mr Snowden's representative.
        Source: BBC

        I'd be astonished if Putin allows him to stay.
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        • Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
          Source: BBC

          I'd be astonished if Putin allows him to stay.
          Why on Earth would he make the application without having hashed out the details with the Russians first? Remember he has some fairly powerful lawyers (wikileaks) at his disposal. They won't be sleeping at the airport with him but they will be close by...
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          • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
            Why on Earth would he make the application without having hashed out the details with the Russians first? Remember he has some fairly powerful lawyers (wikileaks) at his disposal. They won't be sleeping at the airport with him but they will be close by...
            The Russians recognize that Snowden has become a liability but they have a dicey PR problem. How do they they boot him - gently - without a valid travel passport?
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            • Originally posted by Minskaya View Post
              The Russians recognize that Snowden has become a liability but they have a dicey PR problem. How do they they boot him - gently - without a valid travel passport?
              It seems to me Snowden has become such a blabber mouthed liability for the US that Putin wins 2x by keeping him.

              Putin wins now: Oh look guys, I'm trying my best to keep this Snowden asshole quiet for you. You should thank me for being such a nice partner.
              And a few months down the row: Now guys, stop pissing me off or I'll let Snowden monster out from that chest under the bed.

              Sounds like a win win for Russia and a lose lose for us, but then, that's what happens when a traitor delivers himself into the arms of one's best frienemy.

              Edit: my god, the last time Vladmir looked this gleefully bemused and happy was when he was "attacked" by those hot naked protesters.

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              • Russia's President Vladimir Putin has said that former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden will have to stop leaking US secrets if he wants to get asylum in Russia, but he believes that Snowden has no intention of doing so.

                Putin's statement came hours after Snowden asked for political asylum, according to the Interfax news agency, citing a consular official at the Moscow airport where the leaker has been caught in legal limbo for more than a week.

                President Barack Obama said there have been high-level discussions between the US and Russia about Snowden's expulsion, though Putin repeated that Russia will not send Snowden back to the United States.

                Putin's stance could reflect a reluctance to shelter Snowden, which would hurt already strained US-Russian ties. At the same time, the Russian leader seemed to keep the door open to allowing him to stay, a move that would follow years of anti-American rhetoric popular with Putin's core support base of industrial workers and state employees.

                "If he wants to go somewhere and there are those who would take him, he is welcome to do so," Putin said at a news conference. "If he wants to stay here, there is one condition: He must stop his activities aimed at inflicting damage on our American partners, no matter how strange it may sound coming from my lips."


                Snowden has been stuck in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport since his arrival from Hong Kong on June 23. The US has annulled his passport, and Ecuador, where he has hoped to get asylum, has been coy about whether it would take him.

                The Interfax news agency quoted Kim Shevchenko, the duty officer at the Russian Foreign Ministry's consular office in the airport, as saying that Snowden's representative, Sarah Harrison, handed over his request for asylum late Sunday.

                Putin didn't mention his move to seek asylum in Russia, and his spokesman Dmitry Peskov refused to say what the response could be.

                Putin insisted that Snowden isn't a Russian agent and that Russian security agencies haven't contacted him.

                "He's not our agent and hasn't cooperated with us," Putin said at a news conference. "I'm saying with all responsibility that he's not cooperating with us even now, and we aren't working with him."

                Snowden doesn't want to stop his efforts to reveal information about the US surveillance program likely because he considers himself a rights activist and a "new dissident," Putin said.

                "Just because he feels that he is a human rights defender, a rights activist, he doesn't seem to have any intention to stop such work," Putin said.

                The newspaper Izvestia, a Kremlin mouthpiece, speculated Monday that Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, who is attending a summit of gas exporting nations in Moscow, would take Snowden with him when he leaves. The newspaper, citing a Kremlin source, said Putin would discuss Snowden with Maduro during their one-on-one meeting Tuesday, but Putin said he didn't know if any of the summit participants would help Snowden.

                The US has appeared to back off tough public words as it tries to broker Snowden's return, in part to avoid increasing tensions as Obama looks for Russia's cooperation in finding a path to peace in Syria.

                Nikolai Patrushev, the head of Russia's presidential Security Council, said in televised remarks Monday that Putin and Obama had ordered their security agencies to search for a way out of the situation: "It's not an easy task, because they need to find a solution in the framework of international law. There is no such norm, there is no a ready recipe." Obama would not confirm that Russian and US law enforcement agencies were working together.

                Three US officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorised to publicly discuss the Snowden case, said Washington's efforts are focused primarily on getting Russia to deport Snowden either directly to the United States or to a third country, possibly in eastern Europe, that would then hand him over to US authorities.

                At the same time, the officials said they are trying to discourage Maduro from getting involved, warning that it would severely impair a nascent rapprochement between the US and Venezuela.

                Putin's comments come as Obama's administration is facing a breakdown in confidence from key allies over secret programs that reportedly installed covert listening devices in EU offices. Europe's outage was triggered by a Sunday report by German news weekly Der Spiegel that the NSA bugged diplomats from friendly nations - such as the EU offices in Washington, New York and Brussels.

                The report was partly based on the ongoing series of revelations of US eavesdropping leaked by Snowden.

                Many European countries had so far been muted about revelations of the wide net cast by US surveillance programs aimed at preventing terrorist attacks, but their reaction to the latest reports indicate Washington's allies are unlikely to let the matter drop without at least a strong show of outrage.

                Obama maintained that all nations in the world with intelligence services try to understand what other nations are thinking. He added the US is still evaluating the Spiegel report, adding that the US will provide all the information European allies are requesting.

                French President Francois Hollande demanded that the US immediately stop the alleged eavesdropping and suggested that the widening surveillance scandal could derail negotiations for a free-trade deal potentially worth billions.

                "We cannot accept this kind of behaviour from partners and allies," Hollande said on French television on Monday.

                In a sign of the distrust the report had sowed, the German government launched a review of its secure government communications network and the EU's executive, the European Commission, ordered "a comprehensive ad hoc security sweep".

                "Eavesdropping on friends is unacceptable," German government spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters in Berlin. "We're not in the Cold War anymore."

                US Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday he didn't know the details of the allegations, but tried to downplay them, maintaining that many nations undertake various activities to protect their national interests. He failed to quell the outrage from allies, including France, Germany and Italy.

                It's unclear how widespread similar practices actually are. But some in Europe have raised concerns that US efforts include economic espionage. When asked whether Germany spies on its allies, Seibert responded: "It's not the policy of the German government to eavesdrop on friendly states in their embassies. That should be obvious."

                According to Der Spiegel's report, the NSA planted bugs in the EU's diplomatic offices in Washington and infiltrated the building's computer network. Similar measures were taken at the EU's mission to the United Nations in New York, the magazine said.

                It also reported that the NSA used secure facilities at NATO headquarters in Brussels to dial into telephone maintenance systems that would have allowed it to intercept senior officials' calls and Internet traffic at a key EU office nearby.
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                • The Terminal... :whome:
                  No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                  To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                  • Originally posted by Doktor View Post
                    The Terminal... :whome:
                    For real.

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                    • July 1, 2013

                      MOSCOW -- Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who leaked U.S. security secrets and is now a fugitive, met Monday morning with Russian diplomatic officials and handed them an appeal to 15 countries for political asylum, a Russian Foreign Ministry official told The Times. “It was a desperate measure on his part after Ecuador disavowed his political protection credentials,” said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official didn’t disclose the countries that were on the list. The meeting took place at Moscow's Sheremetyevo International Airport, where Snowden has apparently holed up in a transit lounge since fleeing from Hong Kong while seeking a route to Ecuador or somewhere else that might grant him asylum.

                      Kirill Kabanov, a member of the Presidential Council on Human Rights, a Kremlin advisory body, said he believes that Russia is on the list. “In the given circumstances, Russia has two workable options: Firstly is to provide Snowden with some refugee-status papers so that he could buy a ticket and leave for some other country, or secondly to grant him political asylum,” Kabanov said in an interview with The Times.
                      Source: LA Times

                      Apparently, Ecuador has said "No gracias". Perhaps Makhachkala is on the list ;)
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                      • I cannot imagine what an idiot this Snowden chap is!!...He has broken every rule in the official secrets act of the US Govt, betrayed his nation and is going about peddling righteousness.

                        The only chaps who can help Snowden now, are the Penguins and the Chimps from Madagascar 3

                        Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                        • Boss is always correct.

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                          • Snowden has also applied for asylum in Germany.

                            Under German law, the only possibility to apply for asylum is under §22 AufenthG, which states that a foreigner can be granted a residence permit for humanitarian or international law reasons. I the Federal Ministry of the Interior declares that it is in Germany's explicit political interests to harbour Snowden this permit has to be granted. The German Greens are calling for this to be declared, the Federal Ministry of the Interior and the State Office are currently evaluating this possibility.

                            If Snowden is accused of high treason in the USA - which is punished by death in some US states - Germany would not extradite him to the USA despite a preexisting extradition treaty. Other EU states would not necessarily give Snowden this possible out.

                            France and Switzerland also are still evaluating (out of Snowden's asylum application list), Venezuela has already said "maybe", everyone else has caved to US demands. The French Greens are also calling for asylum to be granted to Snowden.

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                            • Well this is interesting while some close European allies of the US had criticized US snooping issue, India have defended US position for getting snooped herself, discounting it as snooping and says it is watchful surveillance instead that can prevent terrorist attack upon a state, according to emerging data India is the fifth most snooped nation which includes her embassies and diplomatic missions as with other 38 states, Moreover Indian mission in Moscow have confirmed that Edward Snowden did communicated with them and pledged for political asylum which India had rightly denied.

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                              • India could keep him and ask david headley or rabinder singh in return.

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