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Last edited by Dreadnought; 21 Nov 11,, 20:20.
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Police added two more supporters to the suspect list on Friday, domestic intelligence in Thuringia currently estimates about 20 members/supporters for the cell.
The killing of the police officer is currently investigated as another possible targeted investigation; the officer was from Thuringia herself, and had a (non-amiable) personal connection to the woman arrested.
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Originally posted by Tarek Morgen View Postwhich ones? The Woman arrested? The two who killed themselves?
There is no doubt this represents a new dimension of far-right violence which is why federal prosecutors are investigating accusations of formation of a terrorist organisation," Friedrich said.
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Originally posted by Dreadnought View PostIMO, Far too many Laws that have ballooned the "gray" area far beyond reason.
A major flaw of these generations and ours is that they no longer see in black and white (right and wrong), all they see is a rather large expanding "gray area" that is riddled with bullshit excuses, plea deals, cop outs, circumstances and technicalities. We wonder why society is the way it is, thats because we have allowed it. Prisons are overloaded with "politcal pets" that instead of giving them the punishment they really deserve, they get to become pets of the state and bleed the taxpayers unendlessly. Many deserve a box and a bullet, not cable TV etc etc etc.
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IMO, Far too many Laws that have ballooned the "gray" area far beyond reason.
A major flaw of these generations and ours is that they no longer see in black and white (right and wrong), all they see is a rather large expanding "gray area" that is riddled with bullshit excuses, plea deals, cop outs, circumstances and technicalities. We wonder why society is the way it is, thats because we have allowed it. Prisons are overloaded with "politcal pets" that instead of giving them the punishment they really deserve, they get to become pets of the state and bleed the taxpayers unendlessly. Many deserve a box and a bullet, not cable TV etc etc etc.Last edited by Dreadnought; 20 Nov 11,, 21:25.
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Originally posted by Mihais View PostIn fewer words,more repression.
So yeah, more repression.
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Originally posted by Mihais View PostIn fewer words,more repression.
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostI have also heard it mentioned that there has been a much heavier emphasis on left wing & Islamic groups. Have investigations of right wing groups been underresourced?
Originally posted by Bigfella View PostHas there been an assumption, perhaps even self-deception, that right wing terror was less of an issue?
Originally posted by Bigfella View PostWhat has the strategy been thus far?
In most cases domestic intelligence has its fingers and feelers deep in such groups, with the theoretical target of finding ring leaders and so on. Often flanked by state-sponsored groups going in to isolate and separate "harmless" members of right-wing groups.
The fingers are in deep enough that for example a couple years ago the Supreme Court denied outlawing a nazi party because 15% of the leaders of the party at state and federal level were controlled by domestic intelligence. There's currently the assumption that at least two different state domestic intelligence agencies had informants close to the terrorist cell, trying to find where the main group was hiding. There's also been the accusation that one domestic intelligence agent or informer was suspiciously close at hand at at least six of the assassinations.
Originally posted by Bigfella View PostAre there sympatheric individuals or even groups in governmetn or even the security apparatus who have been helping out?
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Originally posted by kato View PostIt's taken as a focus in so far as it provides the necessary impact to start a rethinking on how to handle right-wing extremists.
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostI'm not aware that this is being focusses on 'to the exclusion' of other crimes - Tarek & Kato might know.
Originally posted by USSWisconsin View PostWhat kind of penalty would these criminals face if caught?
I am curious if they would be incarerated longer for a crime like this, as compared to the short German sentances discussed in other threads.
German courts aren't hesitant to give maximum sentences to murderers acting out in hate crimes btw, both for adults (life) and youths (10 years).
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I think he's referring to the dude who shot the boxer and ended her career and walked away with a 6 year prison sentence
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Originally posted by Tarek Morgen View Postwhich ones? The Woman arrested? The two who killed themselves?
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Originally posted by USSWisconsin View PostWhat kind of penalty would these criminals face if caught?
I am curious if they would be incarerated longer for a crime like this, as compared to the short German sentances discussed in other threads.
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostI'm not aware that this is being focusses on 'to the exclusion' of other crimes - Tarek & Kato might know. What is important to understand is that a group like this can do damage disproportionate to its size. That makes it more important.
Hidden in Plain Sight: Facts and Myths about Germany's Far-Right Extremists - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
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