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  • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
    When I visited it in....*gulp*....2005(?) they seamed to have a fairly robust military display.
    Most of their newer "military" acquisitions since then have gone to their Speyer subsidiary museum, which basically doesn't do tanks. They have a great submarine collection though, and do some special event stuff (might go there next month, they're gonna have a flight day for some of their aircraft including their reactivated C-160 Transall from the airport right next to the museum).

    And the Historical Museum of the Palatinate which is virtually next door is currently hosting an exhibition on French troops garrisoned in Palatinate between 1945 and 1999 for the rest of the year.

    They're planning to reshuffle their collection between Sinsheim and Speyer currently due to the 40-year anniversary of the Sinsheim museum. Next submarine (a German Navy 500-ton Type 206 that they bought in 2018) is planned to directly go to Sinsheim. They're still working on demilitarizing that, and the overland transport will probably be quite the sight again.
    Last edited by kato; 04 Aug 21,, 21:10.

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    • Originally posted by kato View Post
      Most of their newer "military" acquisitions since then have gone to their Speyer subsidiary museum, which basically doesn't do tanks. They have a great submarine collection though, and do some special event stuff (might go there next month, they're gonna have a flight day for some of their aircraft including their reactivated C-160 Transall from the airport right next to the museum).

      And the Historical Museum of the Palatinate which is virtually next door is currently hosting an exhibition on French troops garrisoned in Palatinate between 1945 and 1999 for the rest of the year.

      They're planning to reshuffle their collection between Sinsheim and Speyer currently due to the 40-year anniversary of the Sinsheim museum. Next submarine (a German Navy 500-ton Type 206 that they bought in 2018) is planned to directly go to Sinsheim. They're still working on demilitarizing that, and the overland transport will probably be quite the sight again.
      Didn't know about the Speyer Museum...been awhile since I was in Germany.

      From 1998 to 2003 I spent a lot of time on Germany...like 3 out of every 5 weeks...so on weekends I went and visited a bunch of stuff.

      I was in Kaiserslautern-Ramstein for a month in winter 2017 but on our time off we headed up into the Ardennes Battlefields.
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
      Mark Twain

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      • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
        Didn't know about the Speyer Museum...been awhile since I was in Germany.
        They bought a former French military base in Speyer in 1990 when they could no longer expand in Sinsheim and basically opened a similar-sized operation to Sinsheim there. Focus there to a large extent postwar military aviation (almost complete collection of aircraft flown and retired by the Luftwaffe and NVA, along with selected allied combat aircraft that had been stationed in Germany) and some postwar naval history (with a Type 205 submarine and a civilian 44m SAR cruiser). In 2008 they opened a new space-focused exhibit centered around a Buran prototype that they had bought.

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        • Yean Sinsheim was right up against an autobahn and hemmed in on other sides. Makes perfect sense.
          “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
          Mark Twain

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          • The Army finally got some legal recourse against a right-wing extremist:
            • there's a retired colonel who is active among the Querdenker crowd since at least spring this year
            • among other things he got on their soapbox and spouted lines like "they should send the KSK to Berlin to clean up in parliament"
            • he is under observation by both domestic intelligence and (as a former soldier) by its military counterpart MAD
            • with limited recourse so far the Bundeswehr had issued a uniform ban for him and removed him from reserve exercises
            During the floods in Ahrweiler a Querdenker group seized a semi-destroyed school building and organized an "assistance center" there. Mostly along the lines of taking care for children while their parents cleaned up the destroyed homes and distributing some supplies and such. With a good helping of propaganda of course. The group also dressed up a car to look like a police car and started driving through the disaster area spouting conspiracy theories over loudspeakers. Police closed the whole place down after a few days and forcibly evicted them.

            Now, this colonel was among these guys. In uniform. In a leading position. He also published something online "ordering" other reservists and Querdenker to come to the area to join the group - cosigned by Bodo Schiffmann (a doctor from this area who fled to South Africa, then Tanzania due to "persecution" over his stance on lockdowns), Michael Ballweg (leader of the political Querdenken movement, i think we've had him somewhere in this thread), Frank Horn (a reservist running a Telegram chat group of 7000 Querdenker) and Karl Hilz (a retired Bavarian police officer with Reichsbürger stances). There were a few dozen people who ... tried to follow that order. They were kind of intercepted by roadblocks where conveniently besides police also military police was deployed. There was a apparently an attempt to "civilianize" the effort afterwards, in the sense of trying to hide involvement of these reservist Querdenker groups.

            For the other three guys: Horn probably wasn't a co-signer due to the 7,000-person support (there were people with more reach in the place), but because he basically calls for the government to be removed and is by political direction a Day-X-Prepper Reichsbürger. Hilz, the police officer, has a disciplinary trial ongoing against him for similar things. Schiffmann finances the whole thing by collecting "donations", about 700,000 Euro for this particular action (except Paypal just locked his account and that money this week...). All of them are under observation and have been for a while of course.


            Well, yeah, anyway. There goes his pension now. Said colonel is now charged with unlawful assumption of public authority. And violating the uniform ban of course.

            On August 1st the same people organized a rally in Berlin, the action in Ahrweiler was partially structured around drumming up support for that. During that rally 967 people were arrested, 75 police officers injured (which isn't that high, that's normal for rallies of that scale) and a 49-year-old died from a heart attack when police arrested him.


            Just for general context: The colonel in question used to work for KSK in 1996-1998 delivering war criminals from Bosnia to The Hague, and in 1999 was commander of Panzergrenadierbataillon 112 during its initial forced entry into Kosovo.

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            • A group of nine men is currently being investigated for forming an armed militia. The charges by now include a racist motive for the group, intending to attack immigrants.

              The group was led by a reserve colonel, a former paratrooper who publicly exhibited a faible for militaria. Three others were also reservists, three were civilian employees of the Bundeswehr, supposedly including contractors working in base security.

              The colonel was separately from these investigations found by MAD to be in close contact with a staffer at the Ministry of Defense (mayor-rank-equivalent, with high-classification access in particular on KSK and MAD operations) who is now suspended with him and his whole department investigated. Due to the overall security relevance of this connection and the overall group they're also now a bit tight-lipped towards the press.

              Police searched 8 separate estates belonging to members of the group three weeks ago, as well as a hidden weapons depot found a week later, During these searches weapons, weapons parts and ammunition were found "of which a substantial part has to be evaluated first" (i.e. they confiscated a bunch of collector pieces, presumably WW2, which have to be evaluated as to whether they're e.g. re-activated or otherwise illegal).

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              • Police arrested about 50 adherents of the right-wing extremist party "III. Weg" (Third Way) last night on the Polish border.

                The group was following a "call" by the party to "deter immigrants" with patrols along the border. Police confiscated machetes, a bayonet, pepper spray and batons. The "call" was known ahead of course, there were German and Polish borderguards as well as state police forces waiting for them.

                Given the rather open national-socialist allegiance of the group and the current immigrant thing being about Belarus it's probably not all that coincidental that this took place in the area where the 1st Belarussian Front crossed the Neiße river into Germany on their way to Berlin on April 16th 1945.

                In the federal election about a month ago the party managed to get a grand total of 0.017%.

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                • Deutsche Welle article on that last one: https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-...der/a-59610055

                  And our good old US propaganda version which mentions it but fails completely to tie its article subject to it: https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-pola.../31527854.html

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                  • The presidents of the domestic intelligence service (BVS) and military intelligence service (MAD) have had to give their joint annual public report to the parliamantary intelligence oversight committee today. This annual report is the only public session of the intelligence oversight committee, their other work is classified.

                    MAD is currently handling 1397 suspect cases for extremism - for scale, in the calendar year 2019 they had 363 cases and in 2020 477 cases.
                    BVS reports that they're "not rarely" finding members of armed security forces - military and police - in "pertinent networks" they're observing, and consider the situation "worrying" as these people would also have access to classified information and after all are armed. Both agencies are also tasked with counterespionage.

                    While both agencies see their current "primary task" and the primary "dangerous group" to be right-wing extremism, they consider the increased caseload more an effect of increased public attention to the topic though.


                    The federal intelligence service (BND) president also had to report, but his agency isn't working in that field. He was mostly being defensive over the Afghanistan collapse in his report.

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