Statquo and OOE Club: Canadian Politics

[Officer of Engineers]

I realize that you as a Canadian will have a different view of the RCMP and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I respect your position but no one is recalling ambassadors. Too much money is involved to let this get out of hand. I didn't see any contracts being cancelled nor any sanctions announced.

[Firestorm]

I respect your position but no one is recalling ambassadors. Too much money is involved to let this get out of hand. I didn't see any contracts being cancelled nor any sanctions announced.

Then you haven't been following the news about this. The Indian High Commissioner to Canada has been expelled or recalled depending on who you ask along with five other top diplomats. India has expelled the Acting Canadian High Commissioner and 5 diplomats in response. The official Foreign Ministry response from India to the allegations has been so scathing, I don't remember such language being used even against Pakistan. I'll find and post it here. I honestly believe relations between the two countries may be irreparably broken at this point.

[Firestorm]

Here it is from the Indian Ministry of External affairs website: https://www.mea.gov.in/press-release...on+from+Canada

We have received a diplomatic communication from Canada yesterday suggesting that the Indian High Commissioner and other diplomats are ‘persons of interest’ in a matter related to an investigation in that country. The Government of India strongly rejects these preposterous imputations and ascribes them to the political agenda of the Trudeau Government that is centered around vote bank politics.

Since Prime Minister Trudeau made certain allegations in September 2023, the Canadian Government has not shared a shred of evidence with the Government of India, despite many requests from our side. This latest step follows interactions that have again witnessed assertions without any facts. This leaves little doubt that on the pretext of an investigation, there is a deliberate strategy of smearing India for political gains.

Prime Minister Trudeau’s hostility to India has long been in evidence. In 2018, his visit to India, which was aimed at currying favour with a vote bank, rebounded to his discomfort. His Cabinet has included individuals who have openly associated with an extremist and separatist agenda regarding India. His naked interference in Indian internal politics in December 2020 showed how far he was willing to go in this regard. That his Government was dependent on a political party, whose leader openly espouses a separatist ideology vis-à-vis India, only aggravated matters. Under criticism for turning a blind eye to foreign interference in Canadian politics, his Government has deliberately brought in India in an attempt to mitigate the damage. This latest development targeting Indian diplomats is now the next step in that direction. It is no coincidence that it takes place as Prime Minister Trudeau is to depose before a Commission on foreign interference. It also serves the anti-India separatist agenda that the Trudeau Government has constantly pandered to for narrow political gains.

To that end, the Trudeau Government has consciously provided space to violent extremists and terrorists to harass, threaten and intimidate Indian diplomats and community leaders in Canada. This has included death threats to them and to Indian leaders. All these activities have been justified in the name of freedom of speech. Some individuals who have entered Canada illegally have been fast-tracked for citizenship. Multiple extradition requests from the Government of India in respect of terrorists and organized crime leaders living in Canada have been disregarded.

High Commissioner Sanjay Kumar Verma is India’s senior most serving diplomat with a distinguished career spanning 36 years. He has been Ambassador in Japan and Sudan, while also serving in Italy, Turkiye, Vietnam and China. The aspersions cast on him by the Government of Canada are ludicrous and deserve to be treated with contempt.

The Government of India has taken cognizance of the activities of the Canadian High Commission in India that serve the political agenda of the current regime. This led to the implementation of the principle of reciprocity in regard to diplomatic representation. India now reserves the right to take further steps in response to these latest efforts of the Canadian Government to concoct allegations against Indian diplomats.

New Delhi
October 14, 2024

Bear in mind that the allegations made by the Canadian gvernment specifically mentioned the Indian High Commissioner himself.

[Officer of Engineers]

My bad. For some strange reason, I thought India had an Ambassador as well as a High Commissioner but hey, your gain, you will never see Justin Trudeau again while we're stuck with him.

[Firestorm]

No embassies, only High Commissions for Commonwealth countries. Sanctions may well follow depending on how Trudeau chooses to proceed. Trade will get affected for sure perhaps severely. All this over a guy who is known to have received armed training in Pakistan (with photos to match), was designated a terrorist in India, entered Canada illegally, lied on his asylum application, was still somehow given citizenship, then got killed by known criminals only to receive a minute of silence in the freaking Canadian parliament.

[statquo]

these are rcmp allegations

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rcmp...ides-1.7073330

but anything that stops trudeau from dancing the bhangra is a plus in my book. in fact, there will be no more public funded vacations to india is a plus in my book.

lol

[Firestorm]

Nothing to stop him from doing that in Canada itself. Perhaps we'll see him do that on the campaign trail soon.

[Officer of Engineers]

I realize that you as a Canadian will have a different view of the RCMP and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Thank you, Firestorm, for making me question my judgemen. I took the RCMP's intel at face value even though their eval is quite different from mine. Simply put, intel is not evidence. Never was. Never will be. Intel is best information available at a given point in time. There is zero evidence to convict anyone (gee, a murder suspect mouthing off?) but there is actionable intel. A suspect mouthing off backed by US intercepted SIGS.

I still tend to believe the RCMP, mainly because you've got to be damned sure if you accused any High Commissioner of anything. I don't think the RCMP got to that level but criminals mouthing off left the RCMP, and hence Trudeau, little choice.

At the very least, my eyes are open for counter-intel.

[Officer of Engineers]

However, this entire mess confirms the one basic rule of assassination - you have to kill the assassins. Dead assassins don't talk. These criminals did. And what headaches and heartaches they created.

[Monash]

However, this entire mess confirms the one basic rule of assassination - you have to kill the assassins. Dead assassins don't talk. These criminals did. And what headaches and heartaches they created.

That or make sure you've planned as well as you possibly can, committed the necessary resources, allowed for all realistic contingencies and have a good extraction plan in place. That and make sure your assassins have truly 'drunk the Cool Aid' and are 100% committed to the 'cause' whatever that may be. In other words go Russian.

[statquo]

I still tend to believe the RCMP, mainly because you've got to be damned sure if you accused any High Commissioner of anything. I don't think the RCMP got to that level but criminals mouthing off left the RCMP, and hence Trudeau, little choice.

At the very least, my eyes are open for counter-intel.

I'd imagine they would have had to have verified it with the Five Eyes before stirring the pot. It's not like we were accusing Costa Rica or someone like that.

[statquo]

Looks like the NDP squeaked out a win over the Cons in BC.

Federal Cons are going to steam roll across the country (other than Quebec).

[Officer of Engineers]

Indians cannot have it both ways. Either the Indian government is involved in killing Indian terrorists in Canada or it is not.

From https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcm...vels-1.7363981

"We do have strong evidence — not intelligence, but evidence — that this goes all the way up to the highest level," Commissioner Mike Duheme told CBC Power & Politics host David Cochrane on Friday.

RCMP, a respected evidence gatherer ( IA 182 was that they were slow, not that they were not dedicated) on par with the FBI. The RCMP offered India the chance to challenge the EVIDENCE. India declined.

If India was not involved, then it should be easy to refute the evidence. But then again, you cannot claim that RAW was responsible for killing a terrorist. Innocent until proven guilty does not protect you from accusation of a crime.

I couldn't care less either way but you cannot claim the credit while denying the crime.

[statquo]

The aftermath of the US election is going to be a weird time for us. If Trump loses and he doesn't concede, is the Cult of Trump going to stage political violence across the country? If he wins and actually goes through with his Project 2025, do we start to see Americans apply for asylum here? I know every election people who lose say they are moving, but it feels like people actually might this time if he wins.

[tbm3fan]

The aftermath of the US election is going to be a weird time for us. If Trump loses and he doesn't concede, is the Cult of Trump going to stage political violence across the country? If he wins and actually goes through with his Project 2025, do we start to see Americans apply for asylum here? I know every election people who lose say they are moving, but it feels like people actually might this time if he wins.

Ideally, if Trump wins, then Washington, Oregon, California, and Hawaii secede from the Union. Let the rest of the country manage without California' economy to start with. All ideally of course.