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  • Well! Better late than never I guess!
    That said, is this really the best time to shut down Parliament?
    Sending its members on what amounts to a two months paid vacation?
    What with the problems, not just internally in Canada, but also on the international stage?
    I.e. its two weeks to Trumps 1st. day as President…what if decides to make good on his 10% tariff?
    Hope that there are some M.P.’s that don’t treat it as a vacation!

    When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais Nin

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    • For all that's been seen or heard from him of late and in terms of meaningful policy? You'd be forgiven for thinking that he left office months ago.
      If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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      • Tariff Saturday. I guess we’re not friends anymore

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        • No, we're family. This is the Uncle who got tired of paying the bills but forgot who helped him move mountains without complaint nor compensation.
          Chimo

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          • Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
            No, we're family. This is the Uncle who got tired of paying the bills but forgot who helped him move mountains without complaint nor compensation.
            No this is an uncle having a midlife crisis trying to blame everyone else for his problems.

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            • Contemplating the unthinkable?

              https://substack.com/home/post/p-155703604

              I still agree that its a remote possibility. But I think that the author is right that Trump is not a rational man anymore, if he ever was. It is unclear at this stage what Trump wants, a trade win he can brag about or something more sinister.

              It is clear though that official reason for the tariffs is simply a pretext. Trump is going after Canada because he senses weakness.

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              • Well if he thinks he can simply annex Canada after it imposes financial penalties on the US to counterbalance his tariff increases he's sorely mistaken. Feigning outrage and sending in the military would to occupy Canada is a possibility and in theory the US is more than capable of doing so. But the thing is the financial cost would be horrendous. US occupation forces would have to be in place for decades to make it 'stick'. And that at a time when he's supposedly also planning to massively cut taxation. Canada as an idea will easily outlive not just Trump's term in office but Trump himslef.
                If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                • Originally posted by Monash View Post
                  Well if he thinks he can simply annex Canada after it imposes financial penalties on the US to counterbalance his tariff increases he's sorely mistaken. Feigning outrage and sending in the military would to occupy Canada is a possibility and in theory the US is more than capable of doing so. But the thing is the financial cost would be horrendous. US occupation forces would have to be in place for decades to make it 'stick'. And that at a time when he's supposedly also planning to massively cut taxation. Canada as an idea will easily outlive not just Trump's term in office but Trump himslef.
                  Under Article 5, NATO would be required to help Canada; ofcourse no NATO member is going to deploy troops against the USA!

                  But it would mean the end of the NATO and basically the end of the rules based world order established after 1945. The economic cost to the world will horrendous; while the MAGA faithful might follow Trump over the cliff, I don't think even the Republican elite would blindly follow into such a calamity.

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                  • Originally posted by InExile View Post

                    Under Article 5, NATO would be required to help Canada; ofcourse no NATO member is going to deploy troops against the USA!

                    But it would mean the end of the NATO and basically the end of the rules based world order established after 1945. The economic cost to the world will horrendous; while the MAGA faithful might follow Trump over the cliff, I don't think even the Republican elite would blindly follow into such a calamity.
                    Honestly? I don't think the Republican parties (big money) backers would allow the scenario I outlined to unfold without at least trying to intervene. For that matter even Musk has to be worried about the long term effects of a Trump induced trade war on his wallet.
                    If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                    • Originally posted by statquo View Post

                      No this is an uncle having a midlife crisis trying to blame everyone else for his problems.
                      Damn right. I am sure this is one of the things his father taught him back when he was young. Never admit mistake as there is always someone else you can blame.

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                      • His father taught him well, look where he is now. lost everything more than once and came back on top, very few businessman can pull that off, and get that far. BTW that never admit mistake and always blame someone is how most if not all gvmnt agencies work, he did not need to learn that from father, It is that thing that you will inevitably learn from interacting with DMV, courts, Licensing/permit agencies, cops......... etc.
                        "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin

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                        • Originally posted by omon View Post
                          His father taught him well, look where he is now. lost everything more than once and came back on top, very few businessman can pull that off, and get that far. BTW that never admit mistake and always blame someone is how most if not all gvmnt agencies work, he did not need to learn that from father, It is that thing that you will inevitably learn from interacting with DMV, courts, Licensing/permit agencies, cops......... etc.
                          LOL, if one calls losing everything when he loses everyone else's money in a project. Obviously you are not a New Yorker which is why you know little about the trumps from back in the day like 50-60 years ago.

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