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  • #31
    Praxus,

    TNP is what they say is a 'gone case'.

    Everyone is an idiot or a Jackass [that is his favourite verbal crutch and a breather that he uses to collect his rabid thoughts, which in any case remains wayward and convulated]
    Indeed, you don't know history. Let TNP educated us. I await his sermon from the Mount. TNP is not TNP. He is Moses.

    I won't get into this debate for its futile. How can you argue with Moses? He after all was relaying the message from God!


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Ray
      Praxus,

      TNP is what they say is a 'gone case'.

      Everyone is an idiot or a Jackass [that is his favourite verbal crutch and a breather that he uses to collect his rabid thoughts, which in any case remains wayward and convulated]
      Indeed, you don't know history. Let TNP educated us. I await his sermon from the Mount. TNP is not TNP. He is Moses.

      I won't get into this debate for its futile. How can you argue with Moses? He after all was relaying the message from God!

      Hmmm....
      Whats the matter Ray?
      I thought you told me that you are no fan of the US?
      But only stick around the forum to increase your knowledge?

      Trying to kiss American @$$ again?

      And before you accuse me
      of being self-righteous, I would remind
      you that it was you who was passing
      judgements left, right & center on
      my country, not the other way around.
      With no prior provocation from any Pakistani
      I might add.

      Your bias has been exposed already.
      Dont pretend to be something your not.

      Grow up.

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      • #33
        thanks for effectively hijscking the thread!

        I agree the mods to "moderate". The whole post is about the madrassas in Pakistan, the people they train and the way they move out to other parts of the world and de-stabilize it.
        I request the mods to delete the out of topic posts.

        And please have the discussion in a civil form, i guess we all have good command in english and are able to articulate our thoughts across with out cussing.

        So instead of hijacking the thread, lets discuss about this global threat.

        And yeah TNP this is not a regional problem, its more of a global one. They move from Pakistan to India, Malaysia, till Middle East.
        A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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        • #34
          Some interesting sites:

          http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/essays/TSP911.pdf

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/september1...039552,00.html

          http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,63192,00.html

          http://www.saag.org/papers5/paper436.html

          http://www.saag.org/papers7/paper620.html

          http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2091107

          http://www2.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/08/alqaeda.suspect/

          http://tiger.berkeley.edu/sohrab/pol..._problems.html

          http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL275253.htm

          http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/07/01bow02.htm

          http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazi...322672,00.html

          http://www.intellnet.org/news/2003/01/25/15795-1.html

          http://www.intellnet.org/news/2003/01/25/15795-1.html

          http://www.saag.org/papers7/paper678.html

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

          http://freemasonwatch.freepress-free...appearing.html

          http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020128fa_FACT

          http://www.geocities.com/johnathanrg...t_of_Evil.html

          http://us.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/10raman.htm

          www.dailyexcelsior.com/01nov13/news.htm

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2037444.stm

          http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/200...ranscripts.htm

          http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0915/p01s04-wosc.html

          http://www.saag.org/paper8/paper791.html

          http://www.saag.org/paper8/paper789.html

          http://www.saag.org/paper8/paper788.html

          http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1213/p1s1-wosc.html

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/st...028044,00.html

          http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...622196,00.html

          http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...241/5ckdc.html

          http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...295&sec=nation

          http://www.canada.com/news/world/sto...F-F88297045DA4

          Hambali's brother in Karachi was on Pakistani Government Scholarship

          http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml...toryID=3512703

          http://www.saag.org/paper9/paper801.html

          http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/levy.html

          http://sify.com/news/international/f...hp?id=13269780

          Norristown man pleads guilty to federal charges

          http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...325EDT0571.DTL

          http://www.saag.org/papers9/paper808.html

          http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...749667017.html

          http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/as...istan.alqaeda/

          http://www.time.com/time/europe/maga...r/wcombat.html

          http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/t...a100803ind.pdf

          http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/aug20...3/world/w2.htm

          http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/948273.asp?0cv=cb10

          http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/09/alqaeda.suspect/

          http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/3123.htm

          http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...n-terrorsuspec t.html

          http://aljazeerah.info/News%20archiv...20Detainee.htm


          "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

          I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

          HAKUNA MATATA

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          • #35
            Thank you, Moses aka TNP. You are indeed too kind. You ooze with the milk of human kindness.


            "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

            I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

            HAKUNA MATATA

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            • #36
              "Many independent economists accept that the true level of unemployment in the United States of America is at least double the official figure. Even former Commissioner of Labor Statistics, Janet Norwood, after declining reappointment in 1991, began speaking out on the inadequacies of government data. Not only did she acknowledge that the unemployment numbers were misleading, but she also said, "I am very worried, extraordinarily concerned, about the polarization I see going on in our country."

              "According to official numbers by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of January 1999, only 5,950,000 million Americans were unemployed. But the truth is that while the current official national unemployment rate in the United States stands at a low 4.3 percent, there are far more people than that who are either out of work, only able to find part-time work, employed at below poverty level wages or employed below their skill level. Official jobless figures are only the tip of the iceberg. In contrast to many European countries, the United States, in compiling jobless data, excluded persons without employment who had stopped looking for work."

              "People working even as little as one day a week are categorized as "employed." About two million Americans, for example, are "on-call" workers who are called to work as needed -- sometimes for one day, sometimes for longer. Substitute teachers meet this definition. Such a methodology for determining the extent of unemployment in America is symptomatic, at the very least, of the lack of official concern regarding the problem. Many might say, with good reason, that it reflects an intent to mislead. "
              Employment means you are employed. Substitute teachers are employed. There is nothing misleading about it. How about you stop crying and read up on some REAL economists. Like Milton Friedman for example.

              By the way, read my quote, and then tell me capitalism and free trade is bad thing.

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              • #37
                (Ray & Jay, i.e. Dumb & Dumber,
                please, bark on. You are not bothering anyone.

                By the way Ray, I thought you were gonna stop
                arguing with me? Whats the matter? Cant control
                your own emotions and have to resort to trying
                to get the last word in like a little school girl?)

                Praxus,

                Employment means you are employed. Substitute teachers are employed. There is nothing misleading about it. How about you stop crying and read up on some REAL economists. Like Milton Friedman for example.
                I am crying am I?
                What the hell do I care?
                Why should I cry?

                You were the one who started bitching about Pakistan.
                I am only returning the favour.


                And by the way,
                there are many REAL economists who have
                written books and articles which support
                my point. So dont bitch. You dont wanna buy
                it? I couldn't care less. Its not my job to teach
                you the ways of your own country. The main points
                are already proven.

                And since now the only thing left which you can
                even try and fireback: is the economic issue.







                By the way, read my quote, and then tell me capitalism and free trade is bad thing.
                I already know that there is no such
                thing as free trade. America is the mother
                protectionist country. And capitalism?
                Do you know American govt. spends billions of
                dollars subsidizing its agriculture and
                science and technology sectors? If America was
                a true capitalist country it will implode within a day.
                Because Capitalism is a self-destructive system.
                Just like communism. But dont worry, Ameica still
                qualifies as a capitalist country. No wonder 1% of
                the American population owns half the American
                economy.

                And whether you believe it or not, poverty level,
                un-employment, and all the negative social effects
                which go along with that are rising with it. CNN cant
                even hide it anymore. I was watching a show called
                MoneyLine with Lou Dobbs, and he was saying the
                same thing I am saying about unemployment. Well..
                not exactly, but he was saying how the jobs are going
                overseas and Americans are being left in the dust.
                Not to mention a whole line of other segments on
                American news T.V which are warning about unemployment
                and how to cope with it. Of course they never tell the
                viewers to ask "why?" they just tell them to cope with it.

                Good thing I am not in the US.
                Last edited by TNP; 12 Oct 03,, 18:29.

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                • #38
                  already know that there is no such
                  thing as free trade. America is the mother
                  protectionist country. And capitalism?
                  Do you know American govt. spends billions of
                  dollars subsidizing its agriculture and
                  science and technology sectors? If America was
                  a true capitalist country it will implode within a day.
                  Because Capitalism is a self-destructive system.
                  Just like communism. But dont worry, Ameica still
                  qualifies as a capitalist country. No wonder 1% of
                  the American population owns half the American
                  economy.
                  Could someone please find me saying the United States is a [pure] capitalistic country?

                  Because for some very strange, odd reason I don't remember it. Maybe this has to do with the fact that I never said it!

                  We are a mixed economy, part Statist and part Capitalist.

                  Late 19th Century American was the closest thing to pure capitalism. It also happen to be the greatest period of growth in America not to mention the most peaceful.

                  The Top 1% has 39% of the wealth. They also account for 21% of the GDP. They earned this money by making good decisions which made their buissness skyrocket. It is their money. Of course some of them are lieing scumbags, but that is same with every class of people.

                  You were off by 29%, lol.


                  And whether you believe it or not, poverty level,
                  un-employment, and all the negative social effects
                  which go along with that are rising with it. CNN cant
                  even hide it anymore. I was watching a show called
                  MoneyLine with Lou Dobbs, and he was saying the
                  same thing I am saying about unemployment. Well..
                  not exactly, but he was saying how the jobs are going
                  overseas and Americans are being left in the dust.
                  Not to mention a whole line of other segments on
                  American news T.V which are warning about unemployment
                  and how to cope with it. Of course they never tell the
                  viewers to ask "why?" they just tell them to cope with it.

                  Good thing I am not in the US.
                  CNN is a Democratic channel, most republicans call it the Clinton News Network. Lou Dobbs is a Centrist more then a Republican.

                  If you bothered to do some research you would find out that productivity per worker is up. But eventually they will have to higher more people because people can only be so productive.

                  http://www.mises.org/etexts/ecopol.asp

                  Read this you lazy sack of shit, or are you scared you might relise your whole reality is bull shit.

                  And since now the only thing left which you can
                  even try and fireback: is the economic issue.
                  I keep shutting you down and you keep have this insane idea that you are somehow winning this argument.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Praxus
                    Could someone please find me saying the United States is a [pure] capitalistic country?

                    Because for some very strange, odd reason I don't remember it. Maybe this has to do with the fact that I never said it!

                    We are a mixed economy, part Statist and part Capitalist.

                    Late 19th Century American was the closest thing to pure capitalism. It also happen to be the greatest period of growth in America not to mention the most peaceful.

                    The Top 1% has 39% of the wealth. They also account for 21% of the GDP. They earned this money by making good decisions which made their buissness skyrocket. It is their money. Of course some of them are lieing scumbags, but that is same with every class of people.

                    You were off by 29%, lol.



                    CNN is a Democratic channel, most republicans call it the Clinton News Network. Lou Dobbs is a Centrist more then a Republican.

                    If you bothered to do some research you would find out that productivity per worker is up. But eventually they will have to higher more people because people can only be so productive.

                    http://www.mises.org/etexts/ecopol.asp

                    Read this you lazy sack of shit, or are you scared you might relise your whole reality is bull shit.



                    I keep shutting you down and you keep have this insane idea that you are somehow winning this argument.


                    Hmm... growing more and more frustrated are we? :lol


                    And by the way, before you call me a lazy sack
                    of shit, I would remind you that two posts ago,
                    we were talking about a couple of things.

                    Your @$$ was slam-dunked on the issue of
                    Chile, and Cambodia, and America's so imagined
                    "saintliness". So you did not even mention it
                    since then. Did you think I had forgotten that
                    you are trying to ignore that? You think I am
                    going to let you get away with not answering
                    those questions?

                    Now you come back with the one and only thing
                    you can, economics, a subject I am not even
                    that interested in.

                    So before you call me on being off on a statistic
                    by 29%, why dont you grow the hell up and face
                    the above facts which have been posted first.

                    Whose whole reality is bullshit now bitch?

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                    • #40
                      Your @$$ was slam-dunked on the issue of
                      Chile, and Cambodia, and America's so imagined
                      "saintliness". So you did not even mention it
                      since then. Did you think I had forgotten that
                      you are trying to ignore that? You think I am
                      going to let you get away with not answering
                      those questions?
                      Oh my God, you are delussional, I did mention almost everything.

                      This is the only one I didn't answer and I'll answer it now.

                      And General Pinochet was a saint?

                      America had no right to judge the Chilian president
                      or to support General Pinochet in overthrowing him.
                      And who says Allende was a Tyrant? The US?

                      We have every right in the world, they were Socialist and would be an ally of the Soviet Union.

                      He was a tyrant because he violated the rights of his people.

                      I never said General Pinochet was a saint, he was quite brutal, but he is better then having another ally of the Soviet Union in the Americas.




                      So you are supporting the bombing of
                      Combodia etc. which killed hundreds of
                      thousands of civillians?

                      Giving such a simplistic argument to support
                      those actions makes you the same as a Nazi you
                      realize that?
                      No I am not because the war was not in the National Self-Interest of the United States. But we had a moral right to go in there and destroy a Communist entity.

                      Morally equating the systimatic murder of jews with the undelibrate killing of so called inocents in Compodia shows are amoral you are.

                      If they did not support the Communist then they should have fought them. The fact that they didn't shows their support.

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                      • #41
                        Oh my God, you are delussional, I did mention almost everything.
                        I am delussional?
                        You didnt answer jack-shit.
                        You ran away and are only
                        now returning to those points.

                        We have every right in the world, they were Socialist and would be an ally of the Soviet Union.

                        He was a tyrant because he violated the rights of his people.

                        I never said General Pinochet was a saint, he was quite brutal, but he is better then having another ally of the Soviet Union in the Americas.
                        LOL, who says he was a Tyrant?
                        The people of Chile supported him.
                        He was not a brutal maniac like Pinochet!

                        But thats ok just because Pinochet was an
                        American puppet right? As long as he serves
                        American interests, it doesnt matter what kind
                        of brutalities he inflicts on the Chilian population right?

                        You are a sick punk you know that.


                        No I am not because the war was not in the National Self-Interest of the United States. But we had a moral right to go in there and destroy a Communist entity.

                        Morally equating the systimatic murder of jews with the undelibrate killing of so called inocents in Compodia shows are amoral you are.

                        If they did not support the Communist then they should have fought them. The fact that they didn't shows their support.
                        You self-righteous looser.
                        I cant believe you just said that.

                        Moral right? ARE YOU INSANE!

                        Combodia chose not to support the Americans
                        so that gives you the moral right to slaughter
                        hundreds of thousands of civillians? What kind
                        of a maniac are you?

                        "We are right, They are wrong"

                        Right? This is your philosophy?
                        Evil vs Good? Everyone else is evil?
                        Especially those who do not support the US?
                        And since they are evil, you can kill them all, right?

                        You are a sick ************ man.

                        Your argument is so freakin weak,
                        its not even funny anymore, its scary!
                        I cant believe you yourself actually
                        believe it! Just dont expect anyone
                        else to buy this horseshit!

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                        • #42
                          Your the self-delusional physcopath here.

                          LOL, who says he was a Tyrant?
                          The people of Chile supported him.
                          He was not a brutal maniac like Pinochet!

                          But thats ok just because Pinochet was an
                          American puppet right? As long as he serves
                          American interests, it doesnt matter what kind
                          of brutalities he inflicts on the Chilian population right?

                          You are a sick punk you know that.
                          I am simply saying that it was better to have Pinochet in power then an ally of the Soviet Union. The best thing that could happen was for Chile to be created a free country. Pinochet had no right to rule a countrty but he is better then an ally of the Soviet Union.

                          If they were Soviet allys they could have based MRBM's that could hit the Southwest United States. Hell the Soviet Union could have Naval bases there giving them the ability to cut off the Panama Canal.

                          Right? This is your philosophy?
                          Evil vs Good? Everyone else is evil?
                          Especially those who do not support the US?
                          And since they are evil, you can kill them all, right?
                          If the US Government violated the rights of citizens then the US would be Evil. If Americans supported this Tyranny and they were not trying to rebel then I would have no problem with a free country bombing us.

                          You still aren't answering how you can morally eqaute the bombing in Combadia with the systematic murder of Jews during the second world war?
                          Last edited by Praxus; 12 Oct 03,, 19:35.

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                          • #43
                            Your the self-delusional physcopath here.
                            Thats not what most of the population
                            of this world would say after reading
                            your comments on this thread, I can
                            assure you of that. In fact, I doubt
                            most of the Americans would even
                            support such comments of yours.


                            I am simply saying that it was better to have Pinochet in power then an ally of the Soviet Union. The best thing that could happen was for Chile to be created a free country. Pinochet had no right to rule a countrty but he is better then an ally of the Soviet Union.
                            thats right... you are "simply" saying.
                            Quite simply indeed.

                            And what do you mean by Chile "should have
                            been a free country"! Chile was a free country!
                            Before your puppet came and wrecked it!

                            Allende had mass popular support of the Chillain
                            people! There was no dictatorship or rule by few
                            in his government! He was brought into power
                            by the popular vote!

                            What kind of lenses do you use to look at the world?


                            If the US violated the rights of citizens then the US would be Evil. If Americans supported this Tyranny and they were not trying to rebel then I would have no problem with a free country bombing us.
                            Not only did the US support Tyranny,
                            it directed and commited it directly!
                            Again, CAMBODIA! You keep trying to
                            ignore it dont you?

                            And still, I would not label the US as "evil"
                            because I dont think like that. I have no right
                            to pass judgement on the US. Only God can label
                            someone good or evil, thats not my responsibility.
                            All I can do is point out the bad things that the US
                            did.

                            And remember, you were the one who started with
                            the judgement calls on my country. Not the other
                            way around. If you had not had started it, we would
                            not even be having this conversation.

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                            • #44
                              And what do you mean by Chile "should have
                              been a free country"! Chile was a free country!
                              Before your puppet came and wrecked it!
                              A communist country is not free.

                              Adminr please lock this thread.

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                              • #45
                                yo the enlightened TNP,
                                Can you plz fucking stop hijacking this thread?
                                If you want, post a fucking new thread on American economy and politics.

                                aight? u "act" like u'r an intellectual but you havent understood the basic criteria in an online discussion, STICK TO THE TOPIC MORON! When i post about Mars dont fukin talk about Musharaff?? got it??

                                does american economy has anything to do with freaking jehadis out of Pakistan??

                                MODS, plz moderate this thread! ot it wud be like PDF!!:brick
                                Last edited by Jay; 12 Oct 03,, 22:16.
                                A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!

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