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  • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

    Run into many who proclaim their great-great granddaddy was born here (VA, GA, MS, AL doesn't matter), saying that, as I would expect it from them. Been a century and a half and dragging the South out of 1880 is getting old.
    May need to dig up Sherman & Sheridan!
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • Texas Army base Fort Hood is renamed for Hispanic 4-star general Richard Cavazos


      A government contractor in front of the Clear Creek access control point takes a step back to ensure the letters are aligned correctly in preparations for the redesignation as Fort Cavazos.


      One of the U.S. military's largest bases has been renamed after the Army's first Hispanic four-star general.

      Fort Hood, located about 70 miles north of Austin, Texas, was redesignated on Tuesday as Fort Cavazos in honor of the late Gen. Richard Edward Cavazos, a Texas native who served in the Korean and Vietnam wars.

      "General Cavazos' combat proven leadership, his moral character and his loyalty to his Soldiers and their families made him the fearless yet respected and influential leader that he was during the time he served, and beyond," Lt. Gen. Sean Bernabe, III Armored Corps Commanding General, said in a statement.



      "We are ready and excited to be part of such a momentous part of history, while we honor a leader who we all admire," Bernabe added.

      The redesignation is part of an effort by the Department of Defense to rename military bases and other sites with titles linked to members of the Confederacy.

      A slew of military installations and nine Army bases are getting new names, including Fort Hood, which was named after the Confederate Gen. John Bell Hood, who commanded troops during the Civil War.

      The Congressional Hispanic Caucus and other supporters had urged the military to rename the base after Cavazos, who was raised in Kingsville, Texas, and commanded troops at Fort Hood.

      Born to Mexican-American parents, Cavazos was commissioned to the Army after graduating from high school and went to fight in the Korean War. There, he was a member of the Borinqueneers, a famed unit of mostly Spanish-speaking Puerto Rican soldiers. He later led troops in the Vietnam War.

      Cavazos earned the Silver Star and two Distinguished Service Cross awards for his service during the two conflicts — for actions such as evacuating wounded soldiers before having his own injuries treated during the Korean War and exposing himself to enemy fire while leading attacks in the Vietnam War.

      "I truly believe that a lot of us got home because of the way he conducted himself," Melvin "Brave" Brav, who served under Cavazos, told the San Antonio Express-News.

      Cavazos eventually ascended to the rank of four-star general and led the U.S. Army Forces Command, making him one of the highest-ranked Army officials at the time.

      He died in 2017 at age 88 after struggling with Alzheimer's disease.

      Advocates say they hope the installation's new name will also usher in a new culture at the troubled base. An official review following the 2020 murder of Fort Hood soldier Vanessa Guillén found that leadership at the base was "permissive of sexual harassment and sexual assault" and led to the punishment of 14 officials.
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      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      • A great commander and visionary. When he retired, he started a program where other retired senior officers were hired to serve as mentor/trainers to division & corps commanders during exercises. It proved to be highly successful. I was able to be in the room for a couple of the sessions where he spoke. At Fort Cavazos, Fort Bragg and Fort Campbell.
        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
        Mark Twain

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        • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
          A great commander and visionary. When he retired, he started a program where other retired senior officers were hired to serve as mentor/trainers to division & corps commanders during exercises. It proved to be highly successful. I was able to be in the room for a couple of the sessions where he spoke. At Fort Cavazos, Fort Bragg and Fort Campbell.
          You said Fort Bragg rather than Fort Liberty even though I know it won't be official till June 2nd.

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          • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

            You said Fort Bragg rather than Fort Liberty even though I know it won't be official till June 2nd.
            I keep using the current name as a rule until the switch happens. That is the guidance we are currently following at work. The changes are far reaching. We are having to make changes to our software because several of our servers have Bragg in their names...had several named Lee we couldn't change until after midnight. Change too soon and customers can't reach you.
            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
            Mark Twain

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            • How about terms more fitting of the modern military. Fort triplicate, Fort Cost Overun, Fort Cluster??
              If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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              • Originally posted by Monash View Post
                How about terms more fitting of the modern military. Fort triplicate, Fort Cost Overun, Fort Cluster??
                The names selected honor very specific personnel from the Army's history from populations which have been ignored. Fort Gregg Adams where I work is the home of the Quartermaster (Supply) Corps. LTG Gregg was the Army's first African American 3 star, he trained several times there and had been a previous Quartermaster General and post commander. Charity Adams commanded an all Black Postal battalion in World War 2 which honored specific praise from Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley and a host of other Army leaders for helping improve morale throughout the Army in NW Europe. In every instance there is some kind of tie in. Keep in mind the Confederate names chosen when these camps opened in 1917 was at a time when America embraced Jim Crowe and President Wilson was an avowed racist.
                “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                Mark Twain

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                • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                  The names selected honor very specific personnel from the Army's history from populations which have been ignored. Fort Gregg Adams where I work is the home of the Quartermaster (Supply) Corps. LTG Gregg was the Army's first African American 3 star, he trained several times there and had been a previous Quartermaster General and post commander. Charity Adams commanded an all Black Postal battalion in World War 2 which honored specific praise from Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley and a host of other Army leaders for helping improve morale throughout the Army in NW Europe. In every instance there is some kind of tie in. Keep in mind the Confederate names chosen when these camps opened in 1917 was at a time when America embraced Jim Crowe and President Wilson was an avowed racist.
                  Also, in truth these really don't apply to the Army much more. In order to fund combat operations for OIF/OEF the Army has been brutal and rigid on cracking down on acquisition and red tape in order to find money for the fight. In addition the transition to ERPs like Global Combat Service Support- Army and General Funds Enterprise Business System (GCSS-Army & GFEBS) have made it impossible to hide money. You can't order anything if you do not have money in your account. Auditability is fully transparent. Only the black money in Special Operations stays hidden...but even that gets scrutiny by special auditors. There may be pockets that are still out there but hard to hide once the ERPs started rolling out. And as a PM on a non-ERP....Ammo's is coming...I still spend roughly 40% of my day dealing with auditors. You should have been in my office for the 3 months after the fall of Kandahar...24-7 audit to account for what got out, what got destroyed in place and what was abandoned. I'm talking witness statements signed by general officers...unheard of.

                  Now, you want to talk about Space Force....have at it!
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • Army officially designates Fort Moore, dropping Confederate name Benning


                    The children of Lt. Gen. Hal and Julia Moore join the command team at what's now Fort Moore during the unveiling the new sign, Thursday morning, May 11, 2023, at Doughboy Stadium in Fort Moore, Ga. The Army's training hub in Georgia was renamed Fort Moore from Fort Benning during a ceremony Thursday, replacing the name of a Confederate officer that had adorned the base for more than a century with that of a decorated Vietnam War commander and his wife.

                    FORT MOORE, Ga. (AP) — The Army's training hub in Georgia was renamed Fort Moore during a ceremony Thursday, replacing the name of a Confederate officer that had adorned the base for more than a century with that of a decorated Vietnam War commander and his wife.

                    The name change for the post formerly known as Fort Benning had been in the making for more than a year, since an independent commission recommended in May 2022 renaming nine of its bases commemorating Confederate officers.

                    Soldiers and dignitaries attended a ceremony Thursday unveiling the new sign that will stand outside the base headquarters. The post commander, Maj. Gen. Curtis Buzzard, welcomed attendees for the first time to Fort Moore, named in honor of the late Lt. Gen. Hal Moore and his wife, Julia Moore.

                    Located just outside Columbus, the Georgia base trains soldiers to fight in the infantry, to serve in tank crews and is home to the elite Army Ranger School. Roughly 70,000 soldiers and civilian workers are stationed there.

                    The name Fort Moore marks the first time the Army has named a base in honor of a married couple.

                    Hal Moore served in Vietnam as commander of a cavalry battalion based at Fort Benning and was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross. Julia Moore successfully lobbied the Pentagon to adopt a policy that military families would be notified of war casualties in person rather than by telegram.

                    “Together Hal and Julie Moore embody the very best of our military and our nation,” Buzzard told the ceremony crowd. “And the renaming of this installation as Fort Moore is a fitting tribute to their lifelong dedication to the Army and its soldiers and their families.”

                    Founded in 1918 as Camp Benning, the Georgia base had long been named for Henry L. Benning, a justice on the Georgia Supreme Court who vocally supported secession after Abraham Lincoln won the presidency in 1860. Benning joined the Confederate Army during the Civil War and rose to the rank of brigadier general.

                    The name changes are part of a broader effort by the U.S. military to confront racial injustice. The Pentagon in January ordered that the names of Confederate officers and soldiers be stripped from bases, ships, streets and other places by the end of the year.

                    Some of the changes have already been completed. Fort Pickett in Virginia became Fort Barfoot in March. And Fort Hood, Texas, was renamed Fort Cavazos on Tuesday.

                    Others will soon follow. Fort Bragg in North Carolina will be redesignated Fort Liberty next month. Later this year in Georgia, Fort Gordon outside Augusta will be renamed for former President Dwight Eisenhower, who served as a five-star Army general. No date has been set.
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                    Someone remind me....which unit of the United States Army did Henry Benning serve in?
                    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                    • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                      Also, in truth these really don't apply to the Army much more. In order to fund combat operations for OIF/OEF the Army has been brutal and rigid on cracking down on acquisition and red tape in order to find money for the fight. In addition the transition to ERPs like Global Combat Service Support- Army and General Funds Enterprise Business System (GCSS-Army & GFEBS) ....
                      Now, you want to talk about Space Force....have at it!
                      That's the best suggestion so far. 'Fort Acronym'! In fact if it was up to me I would probably rename the Pentagon with that.
                      If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                      • Originally posted by Monash View Post

                        That's the best suggestion so far. 'Fort Acronym'! In fact if it was up to me I would probably rename the Pentagon with that.
                        Fort Hurryupandwait perhaps?
                        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                        • More like Fort STFU
                          “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                          Mark Twain

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                          • Fort Fumble? (That's the one we used for our National HQ).
                            Last edited by Monash; 12 May 23,, 01:10.
                            If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                            • Originally posted by Monash View Post
                              Fort Fumble? (That's the one we used for our Nationa1 HQ).
                              Pretty sure that's also a nickname for the Pentagon
                              “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                              • Final one. (If there is a separate strategic acquisition and procurement centre). Fort FUBAR.
                                If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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