The Army Should Rid Itself Of Symbols Of Treason

[TopHatter]

Some may or may not find this interesting about the former USCGC Taney.
https://www.pilotonline.com/nation-w...z3e-story.html

Its namesake served as chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and delivered the majority opinion in the 1857 Dred Scott v. Sandford case, which asserted that free Black people and enslaved persons were not U.S. citizens at the time of the country’s founding and had no pathway to citizenship and no rights.

The ship will, at least for now, be referred to by its hull identification WHEC 37, which stands for high endurance cutter, according to the foundation. The Taney name already has been removed from the ship’s stern.

“To preserve the proud naval heritage of the ship and honor all who served aboard during its 50 years of service, the Coast Guard recommends referring to the vessel by its hull classification symbol of (WHEC 37) per standard Coast Guard cutter designation,” said Lt. Cmdr. Scott McBride in an email.
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Can't say I'm all that broken up by this.

On the other hand, I'm wondering if CVN-70 and CVN-74 are next up for the axe.

[surfgun]

Then also what about the Space Center?
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/stennis/home/index.html

[TopHatter]

Then also what about the Space Center?
https://www.nasa.gov/centers/stennis/home/index.html

One will depend on the DoN, the other will depend on NASA I suppose.

[tbm3fan]

[I]
On the other hand, I'm wondering if CVN-70 and CVN-74 are next up for the axe.

Wouldn't be a problem if the Navy had stayed true to historical standards in naming carriers. Consequently I see no reason why those two Senators should have EVER had a carrier named after them.

[surfgun]

Wouldn't be a problem if the Navy had stayed true to historical standards in naming carriers. Consequently I see no reason why those two Senators should have EVER had a carrier named after them.

Agreed! Traditionally naming is so easy. Sec Nav”s need to clean this mess up!

[TopHatter]

[Albany Rifles]

Found myself in Richmond yesterday and took a quick spin down Monument Avenue.

Wow!!! Very different but very cool!

[Albany Rifles]

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs weighs in....https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/polit...ses/index.html

[Bigfella]

The graphics in this 538 piece shouldn't surprise anyone who is informed on the issue of Confederate monuments, but the information is well illustrated & detailed.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...erate-statues/

[Albany Rifles]

The graphics in this 538 piece shouldn't surprise anyone who is informed on the issue of Confederate monuments, but the information is well illustrated & detailed.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...erate-statues/

Yeah, Pete. Jaw dropping it ain't....

[Bigfella]

Yeah, Pete. Jaw dropping it ain't....

Well, it was the first time I found out how few of these monuments went up before 1900. My jaw has since adjusted, and reserves drops for Americans who either don't know about this or ignore it 'becuz heritage'.

How many nations are there where a whole segment of the population insists that opposing the wholesale memorialization of traitors is unpatriotic?

[Albany Rifles]

Well, it was the first time I found out how few of these monuments went up before 1900. My jaw has since adjusted, and reserves drops for Americans who either don't know about this or ignore it 'becuz heritage'.

How many nations are there where a whole segment of the population insists that opposing the wholesale memorialization of traitors is unpatriotic?

I guess having learned this in grad school in the early 1990s had made me inured to it.

[Officer of Engineers]

Well, it was the first time I found out how few of these monuments went up before 1900. My jaw has since adjusted, and reserves drops for Americans who either don't know about this or ignore it 'becuz heritage'.

How many nations are there where a whole segment of the population insists that opposing the wholesale memorialization of traitors is unpatriotic?

You and me versus all the Indians on this board. Bose and India.

Aside from that, the Scots and the Irish don't have a soft spot for England. I can't count how many times traitors got popularized in the Turkic/Mongol Khanates. Same can be said for pre-Crusade Europe. The CCP is now lionizing the NRA for their acts in WWII. Tito is remembered fondly in all the FYR.

Then, there is Africa. Hutus and Tustsis still believe they've done nothing wrong, 2nd Congo War ain't really finished.

Actually, not that hard if you can stomache reading about the worst of humanity.

[Bigfella]

You and me versus all the Indians on this board. Bose and India.

Aside from that, the Scots and the Irish don't have a soft spot for England. I can't count how many times traitors got popularized in the Turkic/Mongol Khanates. Same can be said for pre-Crusade Europe. The CCP is now lionizing the NRA for their acts in WWII. Tito is remembered fondly in all the FYR.

Then, there is Africa. Hutus and Tustsis still believe they've done nothing wrong, 2nd Congo War ain't really finished.

Actually, not that hard if you can stomache reading about the worst of humanity.

I'm not sure how many of these examples are really apposite - of the ones I understand in any detail at least.

Bose died before an independent Indian state came into being. If he was a traitor it was to a British entity that no longer existed. If there were statues of Chandra Bose erected in the UK and demandnig that they be removed were deemed 'unpatriotic' then that would be a decent comparison.

I'm not sure what specific examples you had in mind with the Scots, Irish & Khanates, or Congo, but I'm pretty sure the CCP would have been the ones deemed 'traitors' in the context of the time. They were the insurgents who overthrew the government. I'm also not sure how Tito qualifies as a 'traitor' relative to modern rump Yugoslavia. Maybe to any remaining supporters of the NDH, but they hardly count.

There are no doubt a few statues here & there around the world of people who rebelled against the nation's government - Cromwell is an example, though he actually took over - but I can't think of any situation comparable to the hundreds upon hundreds of Confederate monuments/memorializations all over the US (including in Union states). I also can't think of an easy comparison to the idea that challenging that widespread memorialization is somehow 'unpatriotic'.

[snapper]

Plenty of Lenins left and he was a 'rebel'.