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  • #61
    So, remember it is about violence against individuals for whom they may support for President. Do think anyone knows whom those LEO’s supported??

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    • #62
      Originally posted by surfgun View Post
      So, remember it is about violence against individuals for whom they may support for President. Do think anyone knows whom those LEO’s supported??
      No, this is a troll thread, it's right there in the title "TDS" This thread is the only possible way you can, in your version of reality, justify your support for a man like Donald Trump.

      "Our problem is not Trump Derangement Syndrome; our problem is Deranged Trump Self-Delusion. This is the habit of willfully substituting, as a motive for Trump’s latest action, a conventional political or geostrategic ambition, rather than recognizing the action as the daily spasm of narcissistic gratification and episodic vanity that it truly is."
      "Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by" ~ President Donald J Trump 30 September 2020

      "Standing down and standing by sir"~ Proud Boys 30 September 2020

      “Trump basically said to go fuck them up...This makes me so happy.” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys 30 September 2020

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      • #63
        you know, i'd have more respect for Trump supporters if they were more forthright about their beliefs.

        "we LIKE the fact that Trump is a blowhard. he's OUR blowhard."

        or, "200,000 Americans have died from COVID, but that's a price we're willing to accept for Donald Trump's leadership."

        instead, they twist themselves into insane contortions and conspiracy-theorizing -- Donald Trump is secretly fighting a cabal of deep state pedophiles! only 9,000 people have died from COVID! -- because they can't bear to face the truth.

        it wasn't this pathetic in 2016 because Donald Trump had no record to run on. now he does, and the conspiracy theories just get worse every day.
        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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        • #64
          Originally posted by astralis View Post

          it wasn't this pathetic in 2016 because Donald Trump had no record to run on. now he does, and the conspiracy theories just get worse every day.
          Probably because Trump is exposing himself more and more as the fucking monster we always knew he was:

          “When you do testing to that extent, you’re going to find more people, you’re going to find more cases" “So I said to my people, ‘Slow the testing down, please.’ They test and they test.”

          "I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic."

          200,000 dead. Because one man had to satisfy his narcissism.

          But, "TDS" right?

          FUCK THAT.
          "Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by" ~ President Donald J Trump 30 September 2020

          "Standing down and standing by sir"~ Proud Boys 30 September 2020

          “Trump basically said to go fuck them up...This makes me so happy.” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys 30 September 2020

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          • #65
            Originally posted by surfgun View Post
            This thread is about TDS sufferers.
            For some reason Tops, you are posting about some Timothy McViegh want to be. I don’t see the connection.
            And there, folks, in a nutshell, is the crux of the problem.
            Not seeing the connection, until someone murders children and other innocents.
            Trust me?
            I'm an economist!

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            • #66
              Fox News Defends ‘All-American’ Kenosha Shooter: ‘Little Boy’ Just Protecting ‘His State’

              Fox News devoted multiple segments on Tuesday night to defending accused murderer Kyle Rittenhouse, describing the 17-year-old charged with shooting several Kenosha protesters as an “all-American” and a “little boy out there trying to protect his community.”

              Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who justified the shootings earlier this summer, kicked off his program Tuesday night by airing a video detailing the August shootings produced by a fundraising group led by Rittenhouse’s attorney, L. Lin Wood.

              The heavily narrated video, which purportedly details Rittenhouse’s actions that night, largely uses previously shown footage while portraying the victims as criminals, going so far as to show their rap sheets when identifying them. Rittenhouse, meanwhile, is described as a lifeguard who has devoted hundreds of hours to community service.

              The video also tries to sow doubt about whether Rittenhouse actually killed Jason Rosenbaum, the first victim. Acknowledging that Rittenhouse shot four times toward Rosenbaum, the narrator notes that other shots were fired in the vicinity, suggesting that the shot that killed Rosenbaum could have been fired by someone else.

              After showing the slickly produced clip from Rittenhouse’s defense team, Carlson turned to pro-Trump Fox News host Judge Jeanine Pirro, who immediately took the opportunity to defend Rittenhouse.

              “We still don’t know if Kyle did the kill shot, because we can’t get the autopsy or the ballistic reports yet,” she said. “But if you move on to the second shooting, what you realize is this kid is not a mass murderer, there were several times he could’ve continued shooting. Twice he shot in the air, once he turned around and the guy put his hands up, he didn’t shoot him, he kept moving.”

              After applauding Rittenhouse’s apparent restraint in not shooting more protesters that night, Pirro called on the district attorney to drop the charges against Rittenhouse, saying there’s “no shame in exonerating a defendant if he’s not guilty.”

              “Kyle Rittenhouse has been villainized here, and he's been demonized, and I think it should be just the opposite,” she continued, adding: “This one kid is an innocent man, he’s looking to help, he’s all-American, and he’s trying to just make sure his town is safe.”

              Notably, Rittenhouse is not from Kenosha, or even Wisconsin. He traveled to the Jacob Blake protests that night from Antioch, Illinois, roughly 20 miles away.

              The following hour on Trump confidant Sean Hannity’s show, former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi—who served on President Donald Trump’s impeachment defense team—piggybacked on Pirro’s portrayal of Rittenhouse as a clean-cut kid trying to make a positive difference.

              After Hannity played a bit of the video, Bondi said she was glad Wood was the attorney before justifying Rittenhouse’s alleged actions, saying Kenosha was a “war zone.”

              “You have got a 17-year-old out there trying to protect his state,” she exclaimed. “He is helping people who have been injured. He has paramedic training for being a lifeguard. He is taking graffiti off walls. He is trying to mitigate the chaos out there.”

              Once again, it should be noted that Rittenhouse is not from Wisconsin.

              The “video speaks volumes,” Bondi said, adding that the victims were criminals who were “chasing him down” before claiming that it is “too soon to charge him” with anything.

              “They charged him two days later and there were bullets flying everywhere. Other people were firing,” she said. “This kid was out there trying to help people. Were people killed? Absolutely.”

              “We have a little boy out there trying to protect his community,” Bondi continued. “Should he have been out there with a gun? No. But should he have been charged with murder? We just don’t know yet and they charged him two days later. So it’s a war zone out there.”

              The former attorney general concluded by seemingly placing the blame for the shootings on local leadership, asking, “What’s it coming to in these liberal cities when teenagers have to go out there to try to provide aid to other people who are getting injured by these rioters?”
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              You sure that Fox News isn't your favorite anymore surfgun? Plenty of TDS going on there for you to lap up.

              "Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by" ~ President Donald J Trump 30 September 2020

              "Standing down and standing by sir"~ Proud Boys 30 September 2020

              “Trump basically said to go fuck them up...This makes me so happy.” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys 30 September 2020

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              • #67
                TDS sufferer mails Ricin to the Whitehouse .
                https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/what-p...tter-to-trump/

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                • #68
                  Pro-Trump activists plotted violence ahead of Portland rallies

                  Leaked chat logs show Portland-area pro-Trump activists planning and training for violence, sourcing arms and ammunition and even suggesting political assassinations ahead of a series of contentious rallies in the Oregon city, including one scheduled for this weekend.

                  The chats on the GroupMe app, shared with the Guardian by the antifascist group Eugene Antifa, show conversations between Oregon members of the Patriots Coalition growing more extreme as they discuss armed confrontations with leftwing Portland activists, and consume a steady diet of online disinformation about protests and wildfires.

                  Facebook removes Patriot Prayer pages in bid to halt 'violent social militias'

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                  At times, rightwing activists discuss acts of violence at recent, contentious protests, which in some cases they were recorded carrying out. At one point, David Willis, a felon currently being sued for his alleged role in an earlier episode of political violence, joins a discussion about the use of paintballs.

                  Where other members had previously suggested freezing the paintballs for maximum damage, Willis wrote: “They make glass breaker balls that are rubber coated metal. They also have pepper balls but they are about 3 dollars a ball. Don’t freeze paintballs it makes them wildly inaccurate” [sic.]

                  Willis did not immediately respond to voice and text messages sent to his listed cellphone number.

                  Another prolific poster is Mark Melchi, a 41-year-old Dallas, Oregon-based car restorer who claims to have served as a captain in the US army.

                  Melchi has been recorded leading an armed pro-Trump militia, “1776 2.0” into downtown confrontations in Portland, including on 22 August. At several points in the chat he proposes violence in advance of those confrontations, and appears to confess to prior acts committed in the company of his paramilitary group.

                  Rightwing demonstrators chase a Black Lives Matter protester after a pro-Trump caravan rally at the Oregon state capitol on 7 September 2020 in Salem. Photograph: David Ryder/Getty Images

                  In advance of the 22 August protest, Melchi wrote: “It’s going to be bloody and most likely shooting, they’re definitely armed… so let’s make sure we have an organized direction of movement and direction of clearing or other Patriots will be caught in the possible cross fire. When shit hits the fan.”

                  He advised other members to ignore weapons statutes, writing, “I saw someone say bats, mace, and stun guns are illegal downtown. If you’re going to play by the books tomorrow night, we already lost. We are here to make a change, laws will be broken, people will get hurt… It’s lawlessness downtown, and people need to be prepared for bad things.”

                  Following these comments, several rightwing demonstrators were recorded using gas and bats on 22 August, where Melchi and his militia were also present.

                  In other remarks ahead of the day, Melchi draws on what he claims is his group’s history of traveling to multiple states to engage in violence at protests.

                  “My Group 1776 2.0. Has been fighting Antifa in Seattle, Portland, for months”, Melchi writes, adding “this won’t be a simple fist fight. People will get shot, stabbed and beat.”

                  He also claims police cooperation in interstate violence, writing “Yes, going after them at night is the solution… Like we do in other states, tactical ambushes at night while backing up the police are key. You get the leaders and the violent ones and the police are happy to shut their mouths and cameras.”

                  Melchi nevertheless recommends that members disguise themselves to avoid the consequences of homicide.

                  “We must be ready to defend with lethal response… Suggest wearing mask and nothing to identify you on Camera…to prevent any future prosecution.” In response to detailed questions about these contributions, Melchi responded with an email that falsely suggested his comments might have been photoshopped, and concluded with direct threats.

                  Melchi wrote: “I suggest you don’t threaten combat veterans sweetheart, might get a little uncomfortable for ya big guy!”

                  Melchi’s sentiments in the chat logs were in keeping with fantasies of, and plans for, violence, which are constantly discussed by group members.

                  Although some members are connected with extremist groups or militias, on the whole they describe themselves as “patriots”, and they express no clear ideology beyond a hatred of the left, and a preparedness to use violence. The shared allegiances expressed in the group are mostly to the police, the United States and Donald Trump, a person whom some say they are prepared to kill for.

                  Ahead of 22 August, a user “Paige” says “I’m waiting for the presidential go to start open firing”.

                  Melchi, the militia leader, responds, “Well Saturday may be that go lol”.

                  Alex Newhouse, the digital research lead at the Center for Terrorism, Extremism, and Counterterrorism at the Middlebury Institute, said of the group that “the main mechanism that makes these communities so dangerous is the incessant desensitization to the idea of political violence”.

                  Newhouse said that the ideas expressed in the group were entrenched in “extreme nationalism – that a few strong men with guns can together take out an evil that is at once imagined as an existential threat, and pathetically weak”. Newhouse added that the group’s discussions “fit within a broader trend of rightwing extremists becoming more accelerationist over time”.

                  Rightwing and leftwing protesters battle with mace, paint balls and rocks near Justice Center in downtown Portland Saturday, 22 August 2020. Photograph: Brooke Herbert/AP

                  The chatlogs became fractious at the peak of Oregon’s recent wildfire emergency. While some members said they had gone to rural areas to “hunt” imagined antifa arsonists, others became concerned about the dangers.

                  As early as 9 September, the baseless idea that the fires were a coordinated arson attack was treated as settled fact, with Melchi writing: “People have officially died from these Antifa Fires. I’d shoot them on site” [sic], and another user, Dub, responding: “Yes sir if I see them they are getting dropped where they stand.”

                  When adverse consequences of vigilantism became evident, leadership attempted to bring the group back under control. After a member of the group reported that an associate had been arrested in Lane county for “holding [someone] at gunpoint”, the group’s administrator, who used the user name Patriot Coalition, wrote “STOP HOLDING PEOPLE AT GUN POINT- STOP PULLING YOUR WEAPONS… VIDEO- TAKE PICTURES AND CALL 911.”

                  Mary McCord is the legal director of the Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law School, which on Wednesday released a series of fact sheets on anti-paramilitary laws in all 50 states.

                  Given details of the content of the chats, McCord said that “this is the kind of thing that might allow authorities to take action”, and that members of the group may “already be in violation of Oregon’s anti-paramilitary laws”.

                  The group also talked about coordinating at the rally with the Proud Boys, an extreme rightwing group. One user, identified as Bravo91 and a part of the group’s leadership, spoke of phone calls with the Proud Boys.

                  Along with antifascist demonstrators, Democratic politicians are also the target of violent fantasies in the chats. In particular, Portland’s mayor, Ted Wheeler, is demonized and nominated as a possible target for assassination by the group.

                  On 24 August, a user identified as “Trent-Medford” writes, “Fuck wheeler… guess what soon as we are done with these punks. He’s next freakin coward !!!!!!”

                  User T Durden went further. In response to news that an alleged arsonist had been released on bail, and without encountering disagreement, they wrote: “Maybe we need to start taking care of the justice ourselves!”, adding, “Start with justice on our DA and then move on to the governor. Maybe by the time we get to the first judge, they will have changed their tunes.”
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                  "Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by" ~ President Donald J Trump 30 September 2020

                  "Standing down and standing by sir"~ Proud Boys 30 September 2020

                  “Trump basically said to go fuck them up...This makes me so happy.” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys 30 September 2020

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                  • #69
                    Ah, the smell of...

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                    • #70
                      Proud Boys Member Arrested On Assault Charges After Trump Told Hate Group: 'Stand By'

                      A prominent member of the Proud Boys was arrested Wednesday in Portland, Oregon — less than a day after President Donald Trump publicly threw his support behind the hate group.

                      Alan James Swinney, 50, faces numerous charges, including felony assault and unlawful use of a weapon.

                      Alan Swinney points a gun during clashes between far-right groups and anti-fascist protesters in Portland, Oregon, on Aug. 22, 2020. (Photo: Maranie Staab / Reuters)
                      Video and photos show Swinney pointing a gun at protesters with his finger on the trigger during an Aug. 22 clash in Portland between far-right extremists and anti-fascist protesters. At the time, police did nothing.

                      But now, Swinney is being held in the Multnomah County Jail on six felony charges, including assault in the second degree and unlawful use of a weapon.

                      Though it wasn’t immediately clear if the arrest was connected to the Aug. 22 incident, Swinney also faces six misdemeanor charges including pointing a firearm at another person. The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office did not immediately return a request for comment.

                      Alan James Swinney, 50, was arrested Wednesday morning. (Photo: MCSO)

                      During the first presidential debate between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday night, Trump refused to condemn white supremacy and instead specifically endorsed the violent gang.

                      “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by,” Trump said.

                      Almost immediately, Proud Boys members began celebrating Trump’s apparent approval of their violent methods.

                      “Trump basically said to go fuck them up,” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys, said in a chat on the right-wing social media app Parler. “This makes me so happy.”

                      Swinney felt comfortable addressing his violent tactics in leaked chats provided to HuffPost in 2019.

                      “We’ll grow this group of patriots and we’ll never back down,” Swinney said in one of the chats. “If we win, it will make more patriots come to the next rally. We just need to go there and we’ll beat them. We’ll have enough to crush them at some point.”


                      When asked about his calls for violence, Swinney told HuffPost at the time that Proud Boys members are “warriors” and that “Choir boys don’t go up against people like [anti-fascists]. It takes a person with a certain type of mindset.”

                      Swinney’s bail has been set at more than $500,000, according to jail records.
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                      "Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by" ~ President Donald J Trump 30 September 2020

                      "Standing down and standing by sir"~ Proud Boys 30 September 2020

                      “Trump basically said to go fuck them up...This makes me so happy.” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys 30 September 2020

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                      • #71
                        Trump Supporter Attacks Journalist Outside Minnesota Rally: 'You Want To Be Violent?'

                        A supporter of President Donald Trump attacked a journalist outside Trump’s rally in Duluth, Minnesota, on Wednesday.

                        The attacker, who has not been publicly identified, appeared to punch a phone out of the hands of Dymanh Chhoun, a photojournalist who was on assignment for local CBS affiliate WCCO-TV at the time.

                        Chhoun captured the assault on his phone, which he was using to gather video of demonstrators who had assembled ahead of the rally.

                        “You guys want to be peaceful? Be peaceful! You want to be violent? Come to me!” the assailant can be heard saying in the video, moments before turning to confront Chhoun.

                        Chhoun was not injured during the incident, WCCO reported. Chhoun had identified himself as a member of the media prior to being assailed, according to the news station.

                        Duluth police said they’re investigating the reported “disturbance.”

                        “A male reported that while recording footage on his phone for a news report, another male hit the phone out of the reporting party’s hand,” the police said in a statement. “The male who hit the phone left without incident several minutes before this event was reported to officers. There were no injuries or property damage reported in connection with this incident and no citations issued at this time. The Duluth Police Department is investigating this case.”

                        This isn’t the first time a Trump supporter has attacked a journalist. In February 2019, a Trump rally attendee swore at a BBC cameraman and shoved him.

                        Trump has repeatedly stoked anger against members of the press, calling them the “enemy of the people.” He’s also praised violence against journalists as a “beautiful sight.”

                        In 2018, Trump praised a Republican congressman who physically assaulted a reporter the year before.

                        “Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my guy,” Trump said of the congressman.

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                        "Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by" ~ President Donald J Trump 30 September 2020

                        "Standing down and standing by sir"~ Proud Boys 30 September 2020

                        “Trump basically said to go fuck them up...This makes me so happy.” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys 30 September 2020

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                        • #72
                          Nation’s deadliest domestic terrorist inspiring new generation of hate-filled ‘monsters,’ FBI records show

                          A week before 36-year-old Timothy Wilson decided to blow up a Kansas City-area hospital that was already reeling from the COVID-19 pandemic, he considered attacking a slew of other targets instead, including several local mosques, a synagogue and an elementary school filled with Black children.

                          But, according to FBI records, before the avowed white supremacist from Raymore, Missouri, picked his final target in March, Wilson texted an associate with a particular question: “How did McVeigh do it?”

                          More than 25 years ago, Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and injured nearly 700 others when he bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City, making him the most ruthless domestic terrorist in U.S. history.

                          Fortunately this time, Wilson's associate was actually an undercover FBI agent, and Wilson was stopped before he could carry out his bloody assault.

                          In the past three years, the FBI has arrested a few hundred Americans suspected of ties to domestic terrorism or violent white supremacy. And, as the nation confronts a surge in racially motivated violence, the FBI uncovered references to McVeigh in several of those investigations, according to an ABC News review of court records and government documents.

                          “That data point – in conjunction with more public displays of far-right extremist beliefs and a rise in hate crimes – suggests we are seeing a dramatic re-emergence of the [same] views that served as the motivation for the Oklahoma City attack,” warned John Cohen, an ABC News contributor who served as the Department of Homeland Security counterterrorism coordinator under the Obama administration.

                          Whether it was an apparent reverence for the killer himself or his lethal tactics, experts said the recent cases referencing McVeigh underscore how even decades-old forces can help fuel what the FBI has deemed one the most dangerous threats now facing the country.

                          “A mass casualty event like the Oklahoma City bombing is … meant to provoke further violence," noted Kathleen Belew, a University of Chicago historian who has studied the development of modern white supremacy. "It’s meant to incite people, to awaken them to what people in this movement see as a state of emergency confronting the white race.”

                          The ABC News review of cases invoking McVeigh is part of “Homegrown Hate: The War Among Us,” an hour-long documentary premiering Tuesday on ABC News Live that examines white supremacy’s violent comeback.

                          A 'huge wake-up moment' in Charlottesville

                          The FBI has said McVeigh was motivated by a desire to topple the U.S. government, but in a media interview before he was executed in June 2001, McVeigh also described members of the white power movement as his “brothers in arms.”

                          That era “was kind of the last time” that the nation focused on right-wing extremism, because the 9/11 attacks just a few months later diverted attention overseas, according to Elizabeth Neumann, the recently-departed head of threat prevention and security policy at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

                          Radical forms of racism then largely remained “masked” for decades – until the presidential campaign of 2016 inflamed divisions inside America and hate crimes began to rise again, added Neumann, who has since spoken out against President Donald Trump since leaving his administration.

                          “For many of us,” she said, “a huge wakeup moment” came in August 2017, when a “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, attracted white supremacists from across the country, who chanted racist slogans and clashed with counter-protesters, leaving one woman dead.

                          Kelvin Pierce, whose late father, Dr. William Luther Pierce, is considered one of the pioneers of the modern white power movement, believes the Charlottesville rally showed that white supremacy was “becoming mainstream” again and that "the monster has come out of hibernation," as further demonstrated just days later when Trump infamously claimed there were “very fine people” on both sides of the protests.

                          “I see [it all] as a pretty massive swing of the pendulum in the wrong direction,” Pierce said, insisting that rhetoric coming from Trump has only exacerbated the problem.

                          In fact, ABC News found that since Trump emerged as a presidential candidate in 2015, at least 25 people charged with hate-fueled assaults or threats cited Trump specifically in connection to their actions. ABC News could not find any such cases similarly tied to former presidents Barack Obama or George W. Bush.

                          “In the minds of those people who may be on the cusp, who may be considering a violent attack, they view the language used by mainstream elected officials as permission," Cohen said.


                          Trump has repeatedly denied that his rhetoric helps push anyone toward extremism, and after renewed pressure last week to publicly denounce hate groups, Trump said in a Fox News interview, "I condemn all white supremacists."

                          Nevertheless, as Pierce sees it, the racial divisions now spreading across America are exactly what McVeigh and like-minded extremists – poisoned by a toxic mix of racism and anti-government views – always hoped to inspire.

                          “[They believed] that their single action is going to be instrumental in starting a race war, or a civil war,” said Pierce, who once adhered to his father's ideologies and now speaks out against such hatred.

                          Neo-Nazi group founder had framed McVeigh photo beside bed: Police

                          In 1978, Pierce’s father published the racist novel “The Turner Diaries,” which portrayed a violent campaign against the federal government and a race war that wiped out Black Americans.

                          Excerpts of the book were found in McVeigh’s car when authorities arrested him in 1995.

                          Nearly 25 years later, McVeigh’s legacy is the one surfacing in federal investigations of domestic terrorists and violent white supremacists.

                          In particular, the FBI has spent considerable resources investigating a growing neo-Nazi group called Atomwaffen – or “atomic weapon” in German.

                          “They vowed to accelerate the collapse of civilization using violence, mass murder [and] hate,” a senior Justice Department official warned in February when the FBI arrested several alleged members of the group on threat-related charges.

                          When authorities raided the Tampa, Florida, home of Atomwaffen founder Brandon Russell three years ago, they found explosives and a framed picture of McVeigh sitting on Russell’s nightstand, according to police records.

                          Russell has since pleaded guilty to federal weapons-related charges, and he was sentenced to five years in federal prison.

                          In another case nearly two years ago, the FBI searched the home of a 29-year-old Boulder, Colorado, man who allegedly posted information online encouraging attacks on Jews, Muslims, and federal government facilities, and then tried to buy a gun.

                          In an interview with FBI agents, Wesley David Gilreath said he “wanted the white race to win at life,” and inside his home they found a full-size Nazi flag, a t-shirt bearing McVeigh’s face, and a book titled, “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing,” according to court documents filed by the Justice Department.

                          On Gilreath's phone, the documents said, the agents discovered that he had conducted online research related to weapons and bombs, he had searched for nearby mosques and synagogues, and he had entered this into an online search engine: “Timothy McVeigh – YouTube.”

                          Agents also discovered child pornography on his phone, which brought Gilreath a 15-year prison sentence after he pleaded guilty to possessing that material.

                          A year ago, in yet another case, the FBI began investigating 18-year-old Richard Tobin of Brooklawn, N.J., who had allegedly joined a "white racially motivated violent extremist group" and directed others around the country to vandalize synagogues in the Midwest with neo-Nazi symbols, according an FBI affidavit filed in the case.

                          In an interview with FBI agents, Tobin praised suicide bombings, saying “he believed it would be ‘pretty straightforward’ to fill the back of a truck with barrels [of explosives] like Timothy McVeigh did,” the FBI wrote in the affidavit.

                          According to the affidavit, when agents searched Tobin’s computer, they found “a document detailing how to arrange barrels inside a Ryder truck to be used as a truck bomb” – the same brand of rental truck McVeigh used to deliver his deadly device in 1995.

                          Tobin has since been charged with a threat-related offense and is awaiting trial. It's unclear if he has entered a plea.

                          In reviewing government documents and court records, ABC News identified at least two other cases of hate-filled violence invoking McVeigh, including the August 2017 arrest of an Oklahoma man who the FBI said “wanted to go ahead and replicate the Oklahoma City bombing.”

                          2019 was deadliest year for domestic terrorism since Oklahoma City: Feds

                          Six months ago, the FBI and Department of Homeland Security issued a bulletin to law enforcement agencies across the country, highlighting the "persistent and evolving" threat from violent white supremacists and other domestic terrorists.

                          The bulletin noted that due to McVeigh’s attack, 1995 was the nation’s most lethal year for domestic terrorism attacks. Last year was the nation’s second-most lethal year for domestic terrorism attacks, the bulletin said.

                          In 2019, domestic terrorists were responsible for at least 31 deaths, 23 of which were linked to white supremacists, according to the bulletin.


                          "While threats from [domestic terrorists] have continued to evolve since the Oklahoma City bombing, many of their significant drivers have remained constant. These drivers include perceptions of government or law enforcement overreach … and the perception of threats against those advocating for the superiority of the white race,” the bulletin stated.

                          The bulletin noted that Wilson, the Missouri man who recently plotted to attack a Kansas City-area hospital, was driven by such sentiments.

                          When FBI agents tried to arrest Wilson in March, he fatally shot himself, according to the FBI.

                          Asked by ABC News whether he believes the United States will eventually suffer another act of domestic terrorism as horrific and deadly as McVeigh’s, Pierce stated bluntly: “Yeah, I think more lives will be lost.”

                          But, he added, domestic terrorists and white supremacists fantasizing about an all-white America or the collapse of the federal government are sure to be disappointed.

                          “I don’t think the ultimate goal will be achieved," he said.
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                          Good ole Trump followers, doing what they do best....but, you know, "antifa" or something.

                          "Proud Boys - Stand back and stand by" ~ President Donald J Trump 30 September 2020

                          "Standing down and standing by sir"~ Proud Boys 30 September 2020

                          “Trump basically said to go fuck them up...This makes me so happy.” Joe Biggs, a leader of the Proud Boys 30 September 2020

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                          • #73
                            Oh, those poor misunderstood guys with stomachs and guns.

                            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/5923650002/

                            LANSING, Mich. — The federal government has charged six people with conspiring to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, according to newly unsealed court records.

                            The FBI became aware early in 2020, through social media, that a militia group was "discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law enforcement components," and "agreed to take violent action," according to a sworn affidavit.

                            Members of the group, who were in the Kent County, Michigan, area, talked about "murdering ... tyrants" or "taking" a sitting governor, according to the affidavit.

                            The group met for field exercises and training this year, and one meeting on June 20 in Grand Rapids, Michigan, was monitored by the FBI, the affidavit alleges.

                            Discussions included using 200 men to "storm" the state capitol building in Lansing, kidnap Whitmer and try her for treason, according to the affidavit

                            "All of us can disagree about politics, but those disagreements should never, ever result in violence," said U.S. Attorney Matthew Schneider in the Eastern District of Michigan. "The allegations in this complaint are deeply disturbing. We owe are thanks to the men and women of law enforcement who uncovered this plot and have worked so hard to protect Gov. Whitmer."

                            Charged in the U.S. District Court in the western district of Michigan are: Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, and Brandon Caserta, according to a criminal complaint. They are charged with conspiracy to commit kidnapping, according to the complaint.

                            All are residents of Michigan except Croft, who is a resident of Delaware, the complaint alleges.

                            More than a dozen people from several states met in Dublin, Ohio on June 6 and talked about creating a society that followed the U.S. Bill of Rights, in which they could be self-sufficient. After that meeting, a militia group in Michigan was contacted.

                            The FBI used confidential informants as part of the investigation and has paid one of them more than $14,000, according to the affidavit.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                              Oh, those poor misunderstood guys with stomachs and guns.

                              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/5923650002/

                              But...but...but ANTIFA! ANTIFA! ANTIFA!
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                              • #75
                                Armed groups say they will show up to polling sites on Election Day, and experts are afraid it will intimidate voters
                                • Far-right groups are planning online to monitor polling sites on Election Day, some of them armed, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.
                                • Stewart Rhodes, the leader of a far-right group called Oath Keepers, said his members would draw their weapons if needed.
                                • Rhodes said he wanted to prevent "the radical left" from intimidating voters. Experts say the presence of groups like his would probably make things worse.
                                Far-right groups are planning to patrol polling sites on Election Day, some of them armed, causing experts to worry about the possibility of violent clashes and voter intimidation.

                                If you plan on voting by mail, the first thing you have to do is register to vote as soon as you can, as deadlines to register in some states are early in October.

                                Stewart Rhodes, the leader of a far-right group called the Oath Keepers, told the Los Angeles Times on Saturday that his members would "be out on Election Day to protect people who are voting." He said some would be carrying concealed weapons.

                                A QAnon-affiliated group has also been talking on Telegram, describing "heavily armed MAGA patriots" preparing for Election Day, according to the Times. The Times in turned cited the SITE Intelligence Group, which tracks extremists online.

                                Laws differ by state when it comes to whether you can bring a weapon to a polling site -- concealed, unconcealed, or at all.

                                Openly carrying a firearm at a polling station could be interpreted as voter intimidation, which is illegal in the US.

                                Rhodes said if push came to shove, his members would draw their weapons.

                                Rhodes said he was worried about "the radical left" targeting voters. A Pew Research survey at the end of July found that Trump supporters were more likely than Biden supporters to prefer in-person voting this year.

                                "I'll be voting in person and so will everybody else I know, and I think the radical left knows that," Rhodes said.

                                Rhodes said that his group would report issues to the police initially but that he's "not confident police will do their job."

                                He said if his group noticed, for example, protesters at polling sites with guns, "we're going to intervene."

                                "We've done it before," he said. "If the cops are doing their job, we'll just stand by. If they're not, we'll step in."

                                Cassie Miller, a senior researcher with the Southern Poverty Law Center, told the Times that "chances are really high that we're going to see militia members, armed groups, or Trump supporters who are armed at the polls."

                                "Not only are these people willing to participate in voter intimidation, but they're hoping to create this chaotic moment," Miller said. "There's an unwillingness to accept anything but a Trump victory."


                                Devin Burghart, the executive director of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, told the Times that his group believed far-right groups would be standing by at polls in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin and that "the act of showing up armed is certainly a deterrent to folks showing up to vote."

                                Burghart said people could report such groups via his group's app, which is designed to alert local legal observers.
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