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  • No doubt that there are some red-hatted Trumpsters who will choose to believe Roger Stone.

    Was it some North Korean galley slaves who may have rowed these boats to Maine from North Korea? Must have been quite the trip. Perhaps Roger Stone might collaborate with Oliver Stone to create an animated documentary video for Donald J. Trump and his red-hatted Trumpsters to watch.

    Originally posted by NewsWeek

    Roger Stone Says North Korean Boats Delivered Ballots Through Maine Harbor As Trump Boosts Fraud Claims

    by Jeffery Martin
    02 December 2020

    Former Trump adviser Roger Stone claimed on Wednesday that North Korea had interfered in the U.S. presidential election. Meanwhile, President Donald Trump continued to assert that fraudulent activity was prevalent during the November election.

    Stone, who has previously spoken of his respect for some members of the QAnon conspiracy theory movement, was sentenced to 40 months in prison for lying to investigators in connection with the Mueller probe into Russian election meddling during Trump's 2016 campaign. Trump commuted Stone's sentence in July.

    With the Electoral College expected to meet on December 14, Trump has intensified his claims of widespread election fraud. Democrat President-elect Joe Biden was widely projected to be the winner of the election despite Trump's protestations. During an interview on The Alex Jones Show, Stone said he had received further proof of election fraud.

    "I just learned of absolute incontrovertible evidence of North Korean boats delivering ballots through a harbor in Maine, the state of Maine," Stone said. "If this checks out, if law enforcement looked into that and it turned out to be true, it would be proof of foreign involvement in the election."

    Stone told Jones that he prayed daily for Trump to be "strengthened" in his fight against "an epically corrupt deep state that has no problem in what appears to be the cyber-manipulation of the votes of the American people." In a July interview, Stone praised some members of the QAnon movement as "great patriots." Many of the theories espoused by QAnon adherents revolve around Trump leading a covert battle against Democrats, some members of the business community and individuals in the entertainment industry. According to the theory, those individuals are involved in pedophilia, human trafficking and satanic worship.

    While Trump has declined to distance himself from the QAnon movement, his claims that Democrats conspired to win the election have continued. On Wednesday, Trump released a 46-minute long video on his Twitter feed detailing his allegations of election fraud.

    "The Democrats had this election rigged right from the beginning," Trump said, citing claims of voting machine manipulation, improper mail-in ballots and insufficient signature checks.

    Trump has alleged that many of the mail-in ballots, which skewed Democratic, were illegally counted. Those ballots allegedly helped swing the election in Biden's favor. "If we are right about the fraud," Trump said, "Joe Biden can't be president. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of votes."

    Trump's legal team has filed litigation in some battleground states contesting the election process. However, many of those lawsuits have been dismissed by judges.

    "What a disaster this election was," Trump said. "A total catastrophe, but we're going to show it, and hopefully the courts—in particular, the Supreme Court of the United States—will see it and respectfully, hopefully, they will do what's right for our country."

    According to the Associated Press, Biden was projected to win the election with 51.3 percent of the popular vote to Trump's 47 percent. Biden received 306 electoral votes, more than the 270 electoral votes required to be officially declared president. Although some litigation on behalf of Trump is still ongoing, states have until December 8 to certify their election results before the Electoral College convenes on December 14.

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    • Originally posted by JRT View Post
      No doubt that there are some Trumpsters who will choose to believe Stone.

      Was it some North Korean galley slaves who may have rowed these boats to Maine from North Korea? Must have been quite the trip. Perhaps Roger Stone might collaborate with Oliver Stone to create an animated movie for Donald J. Trump and his red-hatted Trumpsters to watch....
      Man....that is some AWESOME fuel mileage!

      I know the Navy is jealous!
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
      Mark Twain

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      • Originally posted by JRT View Post
        No doubt that there are some red-hatted Trumpsters who will choose to believe Roger Stone.

        Was it some North Korean galley slaves who may have rowed these boats to Maine from North Korea? Must have been quite the trip. Perhaps Roger Stone might collaborate with Oliver Stone to create an animated documentary video for Donald J. Trump and his red-hatted Trumpsters to watch....
        How about it surfgun ? Did North Korea deliver ballots to Maine? Was this election rigged? Should Trump suspend the Constitution like Flynn clearly supports?
        Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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        • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
          Did North Korea deliver ballots to Maine? Was this election rigged?
          Given that Donald J. Trump is now a close personal friend of Kim Jung-un, Supreme Leader of North Korea, it must have been mail-in votes for Trump that they were delivering. I cannot imagine that Kim would do anything that would harm Trump. Perhaps the boats were operated by the North Korean Postal Service, delivering completed ballots from US registered voters now living at Trump owned assisted living centers located in North Korea. The NewsWeek story did not provide any of these missing details.
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          • Originally posted by JRT View Post

            Given that Donald J. Trump is now a close personal friend of Kim Jung-un, Supreme Leader of North Korea,..
            No no, LOVE. According to Trump, they fell in LOVE.
            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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            • Trump mulls preemptive pardons for up to 20 allies, even as Republicans balk

              President Donald Trump is considering preemptively pardoning as many as 20 aides and associates before leaving office, frustrating Republicans who believe offering legal reprieves to his friends and family members could backfire.

              Trump’s strategy, like much of his presidency, is nontraditional. He is eschewing the typical protocol of processing cases through the Justice Department. And he may argue that such preemptive pardons for his friends and family members are necessary to spare them from paying millions in legal fees to fight what he describes as witch hunts. Those up for clemency include everyone from Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to several members of his family — all people who haven’t been charged with a crime. Weighing on Trump’s mind is whether these pardons would look like an admission of guilt.

              Republicans, as they often have when Trump appears about to bulldoze through another norm, are expressing some initial hesitation — but they’re not telling him to stop.
              “That is in a category that I think you’d probably run into a lot of static,” said Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.). “That’s charting new territory, I’m guessing. I don’t think that’s ever been attempted before.”

              The result is yet another looming showdown between Trump and the broader Republican Party.

              And the potential squabble has taken on added significance as Trump prepares to leave the White House next month. The GOP is grappling with how closely it wants to remain aligned with Trump after his presidency. While the president has turned off voters with his controversial actions — including his past use of the pardon power to spare allies — he retains a loyal following and is mulling a 2024 presidential run. More imminently, Republicans need Trump’s base to turn out in the Jan. 5 Georgia Senate runoff elections, which will decide which party controls the Senate.

              GOP senators said Trump would be stepping on political landmines if he grants clemency to his family and associates, even as they noted presidents have broad pardon authority. Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), a Trump ally and a former state attorney general, acknowledged that such a move by the president would be unprecedented.

              “I’m not sure what form it would take. It’s kind of an interesting legal question,” he said. “I’m not aware of analog.”

              Trump has not made any decisions about pardons as he and his team contemplate both the legal considerations and political consequences, according to three people familiar with the discussions, all of whom speak to the president. Some around Trump are worried the president could tarnish his legacy or harm a future campaign if he’s too expansive with his 11th-hour pardons.

              Roughly 20 top aides and associates are on tap for a potential pardon, though the list is evolving, according to one of the people. The list includes Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, who run the family’s namesake business, and Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, a husband-and-wife duo who are both senior aides at the White House. All four were involved in Trump’s reelection campaign.

              Trump has even mused on Twitter that he has “the absolute right to PARDON” myself — a legally contested (but untested) claim.

              Still, Trump is hesitant to pardon any of them, particularly Giuliani, because it may appear that members of his inner circle are criminals, said one of the three people, who spoke to Trump this week. The Giuliani pardon has been discussed more seriously, the person added.

              A Republican who speaks to Trump and supports his potential 2024 bid predicted the pardons would not hurt the president. “It’s a big deal to Beltway types but not regular Americans,” the person said.

              The pardons would be designed to prevent Trump’s allies from being ensnared in any more federal investigations.

              Trump Jr. had been investigated for contacts that he had during the 2016 with Russians offering damaging information on his father’s 2016 rival, Hillary Clinton. Later, congressional investigators told the Justice Department that Trump Jr. may have lied to them during their examination of Russia’s 2016 election interference.

              Kushner similarly received scrutiny for providing inaccurate information to federal authorities about his contacts with foreigners when he applied for his security clearance.

              Neither was charged.

              But the clemency would not extend to any state charges, congressional investigations or lawsuits — of which there are plenty.

              The New York attorney general and the Manhattan district attorney, for example, have been investigating the Trump Organization for possible financial fraud. D.C. authorities also sued the Trump Organization and Trump’s inaugural committee, alleging the committee misused funds and funneled money back to Trump’s company. Ivanka Trump gave a deposition in that suit earlier this week.

              Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), like other Democrats, has described the possibility of these preemptive parsons as “a gross abuse of the presidential pardon authority.”

              The White House did not respond to a request for comment. Neither did representatives for the Trump children and Giuliani.

              Some Republicans argued that pardons for Trump or his family would be unnecessary, suggesting the potential moves would simply create problems and be seen as an admission of guilt.

              “I don’t know what he would pardon himself for. He’s not been accused of any crime,” said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), adding: “We’ll deal with those things if they happen.”

              “I know why he pardoned [Michael] Flynn, because Flynn was railroaded,” said incoming Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), referring to Trump’s former national security adviser who was pardoned last month after pleading guilty to lying to the FBI. “But I don’t know what the others have done wrong that they’d need to be pardoned.”

              As for Trump himself, lawyers continue to debate whether a president can pardon himself. But they generally agree a president can pardon individuals preemptively, though it’s not done often. Even the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney indicates it would be “highly unusual.”

              Past presidents have done it, though — the most famous example being President Gerald Ford's preemptive pardon of Richard Nixon following the Watergate scandal.

              “There’s no doubt that this is not what clemency is intended for,” said Mark Osler, a former federal prosecutor and clemency expert who serves as a law professor at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis. “It’s bad for the institution of clemency and the good that it can do. But that’s a different question about whether or not it’s illegal.”

              The Constitution gives the president the power “to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” That typically either comes in the form of a commutation — which reduces or eliminates a sentence, but does not wipe away a conviction — or a full pardon, which disposes of all legal consequences from a crime.

              “It’s perfectly constitutional for presidents to do them and they are common at the end of terms,” said Scott Jennings, who worked for President George W. Bush and is close to the Trump White House. “Good judgment is essential and hasn’t always been exercised.”

              In many cases, Trump has bypassed the lengthy, multi-level process for clemency that has been conducted at the Justice Department for more than a century. Instead, he has made decisions himself in consultation with a handful of aides.

              “There is a standard DOJ process for pardoning someone, but sometimes Trump also just ignores that and does it himself,” said a Republican close to the White House.

              Through October, Trump had granted 27 pardons and commuted 11 sentences, according to the U.S. Pardon Attorney's office.

              Many have been for headline-grabbing individuals: 19th Century suffragist Susan B. Anthony, former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, Bush adviser Scooter Libby and former Trump adviser Roger Stone, who lied to Congress.

              “If you simply turn back on that regular process [and say], ‘I’m going to get my recommendations from Fox News and campaign donors who managed to make it into the Oval Office and anybody else who wants to bring me a case, no, I don’t think that’s right,” said Margaret Love, a former U.S. pardon attorney who now represents applicants for presidential pardon. “That’s ignoring the regular process and the ordinary people who don’t have that kind of access.”
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              As if we'd need yet more proof that the Trump Administration is nothing but a crime syndicate
              Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                As if we'd need yet more proof that the Trump Administration is nothing but a crime syndicate
                He wasn't entirely honest with his supporters when he said he was going to drain the swamp. He left out the part where he was then going to re-stock the swamp.

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                • Not sure a 'pre-emptive pardon' can make sense presuming that no one person can be 'above the law'. Suppose I 'forgive' any and all future crimes a person might be guilty of; they could roam around mass murdering people.

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                  • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                    President Donald Trump is considering preemptively pardoning as many as 20 aides and associates before leaving office...
                    The scale of that legal prophylaxis, Trump preemptively pardoning 20 more of his cohorts, and the necessity of doing that as perceived by the insiders who would seemingly know best, is indicative that the Trump administration may have been a largely criminal enterprise.
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                    • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                      Not sure a 'pre-emptive pardon' can make sense presuming that no one person can be 'above the law'. Suppose I 'forgive' any and all future crimes a person might be guilty of; they could roam around mass murdering people.
                      The one person who this may apply to is the President himself. Precedent was set when President Ford pardoned Richard Nixon before any charges were levied at the former president. That has not been pressed to this day.

                      To meet this standard Trump would have to resign before the end of his term and Pence sworn in, then Pence pardoning Trump.

                      Beyond that all bets are off.
                      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                      Mark Twain

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                      • Scott O'Grady, Trump Pentagon nominee spreads debunked conspiracies and tweets suggesting Trump declare martial law

                        (CNN)President Donald Trump's nominee to become a senior Pentagon official spread debunked conspiracies on Twitter that called Trump's election loss to Joe Biden a "coup" attempt and shared tweets that suggest Trump should declare martial law.

                        Scott O'Grady, a former fighter pilot and Trump loyalist, repeatedly retweeted tweets that falsely stated Trump won the election in "landslide fashion" and that millions of votes were stolen from the President.
                        On November 25, O'Grady retweeted a tweet that said, "Trump won & Biden & his Comrades will now attempt a coup," next to a photoshopped image of Biden beside Xi Jinping, the President of China.

                        On December 2, he retweeted an account that shared an article that said former national security adviser Michael Flynn had shared a petition that called for martial law. He then retweeted the same account which suggested that Trump should declare martial law. "I don't know who needs to hear this," the account said, "But calling for martial law is not a bad idea when there is an attempted coup against the president and this country happening right now."

                        Martial law
                        The tweet references a petition Flynn shared on Twitter calling for Trump to declare martial law and order a new presidential election. The petition falsely called November's presidential election "fraudulent" and called on Trump to have the military oversee a new election. Attorney General William Barr said in an interview published Tuesday that there is no evidence that widespread fraud occurred during the election.

                        In the aftermath of the election, Trump himself has spread numerous conspiracies and falsehoods alleging that Democrats and other outside forces have stolen the election from him. He has also upended management in the Defense Department by making wholesale changes in the Pentagon's civilian leadership since firing Defense Secretary Mark Esper by tweet November 9, ousting at least three other officials and replacing them with perceived loyalists.

                        CNN's KFile reviewed O'Grady's tweets and media appearances and found that O'Grady shared other debunked election conspiracies and that he also degraded top military and intelligence officials. In a radio interview, he called former President Barack Obama and military generals "sworn socialists," and advocated that the military justice system should bring back treason charges. He retweeted a tweet that called former Defense Secretary James Mattis a "traitor."

                        He tweeted that Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, a star witness during the Trump impeachment hearings, should be charged "for insurrection because he is a biased liberal political operative" and said on a radio show that it was "disgusting" for Vindman to testify against Trump. He also spread a baseless claim that the whistleblower in the impeachment saga dated the daughter of House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff.

                        O'Grady was nominated by the White House to become an assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs at the Pentagon, a key position within the Department of Defense's policy shop overseeing operations in Europe, the Middle East and Africa. The position is a political appointment, and if O'Grady is confirmed, he would only fill the role until the start of the Biden administration.

                        His nomination, which was sent to the Senate on Monday, comes as the Pentagon's top civilian officials have been hastily replaced with perceived Trump loyalists and conspiracy theorists despite some lacking credentials -- and in some cases, lacking Senate confirmation -- for the positions.

                        CNN has reached out to O'Grady and the Defense Department for comment but has received no response. CNN has also reached out to Republican and Democratic lawmakers on the Senate Armed Services Committee for comment, but received no response.

                        In the aftermath of this year's presidential election, O'Grady has taken to retweeting dozens of conspiracies and falsehoods about the results, all of which allege that Trump won the election or that the election results were tampered with or covered up.

                        On November 19, O'Grady retweeted a tweet that falsely claimed Hillary Clinton and George Soros were involved in allowing foreign interference in the presidential election.
                        On November 23, O'Grady retweeted a user who falsely claimed, "They stopped counting votes when @realDonaldTrump was winning "in landslide fashion."
                        On November 25, O'Grady retweeted a baseless accusation that Brian Kemp and Brad Raffensperger--the governor, and secretary of state, of Georgia, respectively—may be covering up information about election results in Georgia.

                        "Brian & Brad seem to have something to hide," the tweet said. "We need to find out what it is. I suspect they are hiding the TRUTH."

                        Trump lost Georgia to President-elect Biden by more than 12,000 votes. Though Georgia implemented an automatic recount, state officials say they have seen "no substantial change" in the results.
                        On November 27, O'Grady retweeted the false claim that Trump won California, despite the fact that Trump lost the state by more than 5 million votes.

                        Behind Enemy Lines
                        O'Grady has also signaled support for attorney Sidney Powell after the Trump campaign severed ties with her after she expressed beliefs that a network of communists, CIA agents, Democrats, Republicans, and Hugo Chavez, the dead former president of Venezuela, worked with Dominion Voting Systems to steal the election from Trump.
                        O'Grady has also shared or interacted with other online conspiracies not related to the election.

                        On November 25, he retweeted a tweet that asked if the Covid-19 virus was partisan since it seemed to be disproportionately impacting Republican politicians over Democrats.
                        In February 2020, O'Grady retweeted a tweet with a pro-QAnon hashtag. The far-right conspiracy theory claims that a cabal of Satan-worshiping Democratic politicians and celebrities abuse children and are working toward overthrowing Trump.

                        Before O'Grady established himself as a Trump loyalist, he first rose to fame when he served as a fighter pilot whose plane was shot down over war-torn Bosnia in 1995. The air force captain ejected himself from the plane and evaded capture for nearly a week before being rescued by US Marines. The 2001 film "Behind Enemy Lines" had a similar plotline to O'Grady's experience and he later sued the film studio and then settled the suit for an undisclosed amount.

                        After leaving active military service in 2001, O'Grady obtained a theology degree and launched a speaking and writing career about his time in Bosnia. He co-chaired the Veterans for Trump campaign effort in 2020.While a representative of Veterans for Trump, O'Grady alluded to other conspiracies. In a radio interview from the spring of 2020, O'Grady said "open-source unclassified material" shows that Covid-19 was created out of a lab in China. There is no evidence for this and the conspiracy has been widely rejected by the scientific community.

                        In 2019, he also tweeted, "Europe is going to face a serious problem in our lifetime with the growing muslim [sic] populations inside their countries. It's not going to be a pretty outcome in my opinion."
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                        Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                        • military officer + martial law + current president + overturn election =
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                          • Michael Cohen on What Trump Wants Now

                            The president’s longtime lawyer, still serving out his federal sentence, explains his former boss’s post-election maneuvering.

                            Donald Trump is Captain Chaos.

                            Michael Cohen, Trump’s former fixer, pinned that label on him and it has stuck.

                            Now, with less than seven weeks to go before he is escorted from the White House, Captain Chaos is still trampling norms and harming institutions. He is a dangerous con man and is all about the grift. He probably doesn’t want to burn it all down, because that could damage his income—but he’s too incompetent and stupid to see that his actions risk that very outcome.

                            His latest speech, recorded in the White House and transmitted on Wednesday via YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter, served as another trigger for his rabid, emotional base. He began by saying, “This may be the most important speech I’ve ever made” before again spewing tepid conspiracy theories and lying incessantly about the election results.

                            But he wasn’t alone. Wednesday in Michigan, Trump campaign attorney Rudy Giuliani asked state lawmakers to deliver the state’s 16 electoral votes to Donald Trump though he lost the election in that state by 154,000 popular votes.

                            Reporting in the Detroit Free Press, Dave Boucher said that when the four and a half hour hearing, commandeered by Giuliani, ended, “The testimony did not show any evidence of widespread fraud.”

                            Democrats were indifferent to Giuliani’s pleas, and a Republican state representative, Steve Johnson, questioned why the Trump campaign did not request a recount of votes: “Instead, what we hear is a lot of talk, a lot of thoughts, a lot of allegations. But we had one opportunity to actually do this [a recount] and the Trump campaign did not make that request.”

                            During the hearing, Melissa Carone, Trump’s “star witness” to supposed campaign irregularities in Michigan, made a series of baffling and ridiculous claims—including smuggling ballots inside food vans—that drew criticism from the assembled lawmakers. They said she was “not credible.” Even Giuliani, the king of bad hair dye and forced theatrics, tried to silence her to no avail. Her critics say she’s a self-written Saturday Night Live sketch—all that is needed is Kate McKinnon in the appropriate wig and glasses.

                            Thus Donald Trump’s continued efforts to win an election by hook or by crook that he couldn’t win at the ballot box are playing out like the cheap carnival sideshow we always knew Trump was. He could never make the midway. He will forever be relegated to the rigged games of ring toss, near where the carnies who guess your weight troll the easy marks and the ground is littered with the sticky remains of half-eaten cheap cotton candy.

                            In all the talk about which Trump cronies might receive pardons in his final lame-duck weeks, there is one name that never comes up: Michael Cohen. After a dozen years as Trump’s lawyer and fixer, Cohen famously broke with his boss in 2018. He pleaded guilty to tax fraud, bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and lying to Congress. He was sentenced to three years in federal prison, although because of the pandemic he was released this past May to serve out his sentence under house arrest.

                            Reflecting on Trump and the end of his presidency, Cohen told me this week that Trump is the ultimate grifter and, as many have speculated, merely wishes to whip his supporters into a frenzy. “I want him to leave and keep his mouth shut for the next four years, the guy is so ignorant and arrogant,” Cohen said. “He billed himself as a builder and he’s done nothing. He couldn’t even get an infrastructure bill passed.”

                            It is true that wherever Trump and his minions go, chaos, corruption, and destruction follow.

                            But these days Trump is limiting his exposure because he cannot face the press, the truth, or any question that would challenge the warped, delusional view that he continues to sell to his base.

                            Cohen believes Trump has “done the math” and figures that, of his 74 million voters, he could successfully con about 20 million of them to continue donating money to him. “He’s very bright when it comes to figuring out angles and money,” Cohen explained in an interview for my podcast Just Ask the Question. “But he knows he can’t go back to real estate and he knows he has to leave the White House in January. But if he can get a large enough number of his supporters to send him money—then he’s set. That’s what he wants.”

                            It is the collateral damage that Trump continues to inflict on the country in the last seven weeks of his demented administration that should have us all concerned.

                            The anger that Trump displayed in his first few months in office translated to a wide variety of threats to those in the public who opposed him—entertainers, reporters, athletes: anyone who had a voice and questioned his legitimacy.

                            That faded after the first year—but has come back with a vengeance in the last few weeks.

                            Trump’s feverish, delusional, insane, and perhaps seditious denial of his loss, coupled with his ability to twist people into a knot and partnered with idiots like Giuliani and most of the White House senior staff have produced an environment ripe for violence.

                            Trump doesn’t care—as long as it doesn’t get too violent.


                            He wants to protect his bottom line, but he’s never been able to contain the Frankenstein monster he’s created—triggered racists, sycophants, and marginalized Americans who believe Trump has given them permission to access the very worst versions of themselves and threaten the world around them for perceived and often erroneous indiscretions.

                            So the irony is that Trump, in his frenzied delusional anger, is not only a hypocrite, but a vile, dangerous lunatic who threatens his own post-White House existence.

                            Will he face prosecution for federal or state crimes? Will he launch a new phase of a career in politics or the media? Or will he merely go away, financially and morally bankrupt, slinking into the night muttering to himself and wondering why everyone seems to despise him?

                            “I wish him nothing for Christmas,” Cohen said. “Except what he deserves.”
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                            Perfect description of Donald Trump: A cheap carnival sideshow that could never make the midway. He couldn't even make the White House without the Electoral College...against probably the most polarizing and then-hated person in the country.

                            And now his followers are demanding that he do exactly what they feared Obama would do: Declare martial law to stay in office. Trump's followers are exactly what they purport to hate.
                            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                            • Now I wonder how long his loyal followers, who don't seem to me to be the cream of the crop financially, will continue to follow. At his Super PAC he is asking for $250 donation but at the end there is very fine print that this donation will be automatic for another 10 months I believe. Basically an auto-renew donation every month out of their checking account. Should be interesting come January will loyal followers see another debit out of their checking account. Huh???

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                              • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                                military officer + martial law + current president + overturn election =
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                                Curious if POTUS-45, Donald J. Trump might award himself The Presidential Medal of Freedom before he vacates the office, and/or maybe sell some of those on eBay for a little pocket change. Some intern could be tasked with doing the actual work

                                He could also hand those medals out to every one of his cohorts as he pardons them for the crimes that they have committed against the United States, symbolizing their freedom from federal prosecution, freedom from American justice, and their elite status above the law of the land.
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