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  • Most of these aren't lies, they are misrepresentations that politicians of all stripes typically make. The substantial difference is in the use of weasel words.

    For instance, Biden coming out and putting some bland nothing language about coronavirus being a "serious health concern" in late February while still holding rallies. That's an outright lie by Biden, a lie that costed lives, that is being hidden with weasel wording, and which a media outlet refuses to call out.

    These are also exceptionally poor quality fact checks designed to distort reality. A good example is Gallup's survey on Stock Ownership. There is actual academic research on this topic, and actual reporting from the Fed. Someone did a quick google search in order to discredit someone. This is not anything close to an actual fact-check, it's an obvious hatchet job, designed to generate clicks. You can, of course, point out that stock ownership is tilted towards the wealthy, but people all across the income spectrum hold stocks.

    You'll note that on the opposite spectrum, when Democrats claim that most Americans don't own stock, which is obviously false, great effort is expended to distort reality and throw as much squid ink as possible in order to achieve a Half True rating. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ns-own-stocks/

    Obviously these things are just blatantly untrue:
    [blockquote]THE PRESIDENT: I think that makes sense, perhaps. You know, perhaps it does. But, you know, I would say probably, but I think they’re all going to get well distributed. You know, if you remember where we started, we had no ventilators. We had to make them. And we became a very major manufacturer of ventilators. Now we’re helping countries all over the world with ventilators. We’re sending them to many countries all over the world. When we started, we didn’t have ventilators. We — I inherited nothing. I inherited practically nothing from the previous administration, unfortunately. [/blockquote]

    Though the ventilators turned out to be substantially less important than the general PPE shortage, much of which was not replenished after being used in prior crises.
    "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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    • Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
      Most of these aren't lies, they are misrepresentations that politicians of all stripes typically make. The substantial difference is in the use of weasel words.
      The difference is the sheer volume of blatant lies.

      The difference is this is a public health crisis that hasn't been encountered in a hundred years.

      Also, isn't Donald Trump "the guy that tells it like it is"?

      And wasn't one of Trump's biggest selling points was that he's NOT a politician?

      Stop trying to normalize Trump's systematic assault on the truth. It isn't 2016 anymore.
      “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
      ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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      • "it's just a joke."

        "take Trump seriously, not literally."

        "look at who he picked for advisors. Mattis, Kelly, Rex Tillerson..."
        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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        • Michael Cohen on Why Republicans Still Back Trump: ‘We’re Stupid’

          Michael Cohen asserted Wednesday night that President Donald Trump is “looking to set himself up as an autocrat” and Republicans still support him because they’re “stupid.”

          The president’s former attorney appeared on MSNBC’s evening program “The ReidOut” and told host Joy Reid that he is sure Trump will dispute the results of the Nov. 3 election against Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

          “What I gave to the American people — and it was an enormous number of people who were watching — what I gave the American people was a preview of this horror movie entitled ‘Donald Trump Presidency.’ In order to avoid a sequel, which would be the horror film of 2020, people really do have to vote him out,” Cohen warned, referencing his recent tell-all, “Disloyal,” and podcast, “Mea Culpa.”

          He went on to say that won’t be “easy” because Trump will claim the election was “rigged” and he really won.

          “He’s going to do everything possible in order to ensure that he remains president for another four years, but then it’s not four more years. The second that that happens, he’s already joking — and I tell this many times: Donald Trump doesn’t know what it is to tell a joke and he doesn’t understand what a joke is — When he says, ‘How about Trump 12 more years?’ he’s looking to set himself up as an autocrat in this country,” Cohen warned.

          Reid pressed him then on why Republicans — including Cohen — have gone along with Trump for so long.

          “Because we’re stupid,” Cohen answered simply. “You know, we’re a bunch of sycophants. He’s very much like a cult leader: When you’re in his good graces, you believe that you have this enormous amount of power — which you do — and he somehow manages to convince you to use that power for bad.”
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          “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
          ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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          • ^^^^^

            Very Jim Jones/David Koresh
            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
            Mark Twain

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            • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
              ^^^^^

              Very Jim Jones/David Koresh
              Or this guy,

              By November, he was posted to New York for training as an intelligence officer. On December 18, he was posted to the Philippines and set out for the posting via Australia. While in Melbourne awaiting transport to Manila, he was sent back to the United States. The U.S. naval attaché reported, "This officer is not satisfactory for independent duty assignment. He is garrulous and tries to give impressions of his importance. He also seems to think he has unusual ability in most lines. These characteristics indicate that he will require close supervision for satisfactory performance of any intelligence duty."

              What's my line?

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              • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

                Or this guy,

                By November, he was posted to New York for training as an intelligence officer. On December 18, he was posted to the Philippines and set out for the posting via Australia. While in Melbourne awaiting transport to Manila, he was sent back to the United States. The U.S. naval attaché reported, "This officer is not satisfactory for independent duty assignment. He is garrulous and tries to give impressions of his importance. He also seems to think he has unusual ability in most lines. These characteristics indicate that he will require close supervision for satisfactory performance of any intelligence duty."

                What's my line?
                Another malignant narcissist: L. Ron Hubbard.

                Prior to his service in the Navy:

                On October 22, 1931, Hubbard received an honorable discharge from the Marine Corps Reserve along with the annotation "not to be re-enlisted".



                “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                • well, I said that this election might change due to a black swan event happening, and now we're getting yet another black swan event.

                  RIP, RBG.

                  If McConnell rams through another Trump appointee to the Supreme Court, then Dems should pledge to pack the court.
                  There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                  • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                    well, I said that this election might change due to a black swan event happening, and now we're getting yet another black swan event.

                    RIP, RBG.

                    If McConnell rams through another Trump appointee to the Supreme Court, then Dems should pledge to pack the court.
                    “The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president." ~ Mitch McConnell 2016

                    As if Mitch McConnell ever gave a shit about what the American people want.
                    “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                    ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                    • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                      well, I said that this election might change due to a black swan event happening, and now we're getting yet another black swan event.

                      RIP, RBG.

                      If McConnell rams through another Trump appointee to the Supreme Court, then Dems should pledge to pack the court.
                      Can the dems just block it until the election?

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                      • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                        “The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president." ~ Mitch McConnell 2016

                        As if Mitch McConnell ever gave a shit about what the American people want.
                        As then and now the American People want a Republican Senate to rule in the matters of the Senate. Sorry, if that may leave a bad taste in your mouth? I thought you have stated previously, that you were a Republican, but just didn’t like Trump?

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                        • tantalus,

                          Can the dems just block it until the election?
                          no, by themselves, they don't have the numbers to do so.

                          and the GOP Senate will be in power until Jan 20, 2021.

                          what COULD happen is the Dems managing to peel off enough GOP Senators -- at a guess, Murkowski, maybe Romney, maybe Grassley. Graham has said in the past that he would oppose something like this, but Graham is a certified Trump Boy now, so all bets are off.

                          plus, the possibility that Kelly (D) beats McSally (R) in AZ -- he'd be seated by November 30, so possibly before it got to a vote in the full Senate, and then the GOP advantage would be down to 52-48.

                          all in all: if Mitch McConnell wants to, and he really really wants to, he'll likely be able to get another Trump nominee onto the court.

                          which is precisely why the Dems should lay down the marker now. if he does this, then upon winning the Presidency and the Senate, Dems will blow up the legislative filibuster and pack the court.

                          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                          • Originally posted by astralis View Post

                            which is precisely why the Dems should lay down the marker now. if he does this, then upon winning the Presidency and the Senate, Dems will blow up the legislative filibuster and pack the court.
                            Should they? It seems to me this is an opportunity for the Dems to energize the liberal base and cement their chances to defeat Trump and take back control of the Senate. Threatening radical steps might simply energize the Republican base in turn.

                            The Dems would have a great opportunity to pass some of their agenda with unified control of the Government; a conservative majority on the Supreme court doesn't necessarily prevent that. Several conservative judges especially John Roberts are concerned with upholding the legitimacy of the court and might be wary of revisiting divisive issues like Roe vs Wade. And if they do, that might be a better time to threaten to pack the court rather than right before an election.
                            Last edited by InExile; 19 Sep 20,, 19:31.

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                            • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                              tantalus,



                              no, by themselves, they don't have the numbers to do so.

                              and the GOP Senate will be in power until Jan 20, 2021.

                              what COULD happen is the Dems managing to peel off enough GOP Senators -- at a guess, Murkowski, maybe Romney, maybe Grassley. Graham has said in the past that he would oppose something like this, but Graham is a certified Trump Boy now, so all bets are off.

                              plus, the possibility that Kelly (D) beats McSally (R) in AZ -- he'd be seated by November 30, so possibly before it got to a vote in the full Senate, and then the GOP advantage would be down to 52-48.

                              all in all: if Mitch McConnell wants to, and he really really wants to, he'll likely be able to get another Trump nominee onto the court.

                              which is precisely why the Dems should lay down the marker now. if he does this, then upon winning the Presidency and the Senate, Dems will blow up the legislative filibuster and pack the court.
                              What do you mean by pack the court?

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                              • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                                As then and now the American People want a Republican Senate to rule in the matters of the Senate. Sorry, if that may leave a bad taste in your mouth?
                                Interesting that you can take McConnell's words one way with the nomination of Merrick Garland and another entirely with the nomination of a replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

                                Well, not interesting at all, merely in keeping with your hypocritical worldview.

                                Allow me to quote a few Republican Senators:

                                Four Republicans senators who have said they will oppose a vote on a new Supreme Court justice just before the election:

                                Sen. Susan Collins to the New York Times: “I think that’s too close, I really do.”

                                Sen. Lisa Murkowski in September: ““When Republicans held off Merrick Garland it was because nine months prior to the election was too close, we needed to let people decide. And I agreed to do that. If we now say that months prior to the election is OK when nine months was not, that is a double standard and I don’t believe we should do it." ”Fair is fair.”

                                Sen. Lindsey Graham in October 2018: “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election. And I’ve got a pretty good chance of being the Judiciary Chairman. Hold the tape.”

                                Sen. Chuck Grassley said in July he would follow the Biden rule: “I’m just following what was established by the Biden Rule in 1986 and then emphasized by him in 1992… They set the pattern. I didn’t set the pattern. But it was very legitimate that you can’t have one rule for Democratic presidents and another rule for Republican presidents.”


                                What voters say on picking the next judge

                                In Times/Siena polls of Maine, North Carolina and Arizona released Friday, voters preferred Mr. Biden to select the next Supreme Court justice by 12 percentage points, 53 percent to 41 percent. In each of the three states, Mr. Biden led by just a slightly wider margin on choosing the next justice than he did over all.

                                Similarly, a Fox News poll last week found that voters nationwide trusted Mr. Biden over Mr. Trump — by seven points — to nominate the next Supreme Court justice. Here again, Mr. Biden led by a slightly wider margin on this issue than he led Mr. Trump.

                                Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                                I thought you have stated previously, that you were a Republican, but just didn’t like Trump?
                                You thought wrong. I have always stated that I was and am a center-right libertarian (small L, because of my distaste and distrust of political parties). For the record, I am registered independent.

                                “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                                ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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