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  • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
    IIRC,yes.It was truly the sort of fvcked up case that happen sometimes.
    Reading wiki on the case, I get the sense it was an ambush with an illegal weapon. The weapon was loaded. I believe that British law requires the weapons to be unloaded when not in use. The farmer's action was too fast if this was the case. You can stand guard with loaded weapons but notice must be given, ie signs that B&E would be met with lethal force or a verbal warning.

    Electric fences and lethal force must be advertised so that the perps know exactly what they're facing.
    Chimo

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    • You know what Colonel I am tired of you. You jump on anything I say and make up excuse after excuse - "he could have kidnapped his children! Held them hostage" He didn't. For me your comment that you wanted Ukrainians and Muscovites to kill each other was just gross misunderstanding of our part of the world. Sure I understand your logic; you think both are enemies so if they kill each other good. But it was false then and now and even the logic is frankly disgusting to consider as serious public policy (though I know it is often a private view). Burble on and I wish you long life and endless Scotch Malt to enjoy it with but I have done with you.

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      • Every time I read someone saying the Democratic Party is being dragged off to the extreme edge of the political sphere, I think of it as a warning from the GOP: Be careful! Your reputation is at stake! The heart and soul of the political system is in danger!
        ...Don't let what happened to us, happen to you.
        Trust me?
        I'm an economist!

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        • Originally posted by snapper View Post
          You know what Colonel I am tired of you.
          As am I of you.

          Originally posted by snapper View Post
          You jump on anything I say and make up excuse after excuse - "he could have kidnapped his children! Held them hostage" He didn't.
          That matters ZERO. As a MATTER OF LAW, we DO NOT ALLOW CHILDREN to be with criminals. That is why the hoopla over Trump's ZERO TOLERANCE ILLEGAL immigrant family seperation. Get it? A MATTER OF LAW! And it makes sense! Why the hell should we trust criminals with children? The man is a WANTED CONVICTED CRIMINAL and IT IS A MATTER OF LAW TO NOT ALLOW CHILDREN TO BE WITH HIM. I don't give a fuck what his intentions were. Law does not allow him to have the children NOR a weapon and that includes the car.

          But even suppose there were no children in the car, you want the cops to allow the perp to get into the car ... and then what? You think he's going to just sit there while more cops are on the way? And then, just how 4 cops on foot going to stop a 2000lb+ car? Get in their cars and go on a high speed dangerous chase? Endangering others? This is as stupid as it gets and it is damned stupid of you to even suggest it!

          The man was ALSO UNDER LAWFUL ORDERS to "Drop the knife" and "Get down." He disobyed lawful orders and lethal force is now justified.

          But your ignorance and blind sided fantasies DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO SEE REALITY. PERIOD!

          Originally posted by snapper View Post
          For me your comment that you wanted Ukrainians and Muscovites to kill each other was just gross misunderstanding of our part of the world. Sure I understand your logic; you think both are enemies so if they kill each other good.
          By your logic, any Russian soldier should not shoot you because you're married to an Ukrainian and you're in the right and got a dozen angel harps singing your praises.

          The UKR sure is not our ally and sure is not our problem. We paid the mujahadeen to kill Soviets (including Ukrainians) while letting the mujahadeen bleed out. Not our problem then and not our problem now.

          Originally posted by snapper View Post
          But it was false then and now and even the logic is frankly disgusting to consider as serious public policy (though I know it is often a private view).
          I have news for you. IT IS POLICY though you're too blind to see it. There are no NATO funerals from the UKR. But there are plenty of funerals in "your part of the world" including Russia. We've given you just enough help to maintain your defence but never enough to tip the balance in the UKR direction.

          Originally posted by snapper View Post
          Burble on and I wish you long life and endless Scotch Malt to enjoy it with but I have done with you.
          Promises. Promises.
          Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 02 Sep 20,, 19:18.
          Chimo

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          • Snapper and OoE,

            Stop. Please. Put each other on mute if you have to. Thank you.
            My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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            • GOP Rep. Clay Higgins Threatens To Shoot Armed Protesters: 'I'd Drop Any 10 Of You'

              Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) said he’d be more than willing to shoot any armed demonstrators in Louisiana in a Facebook post Tuesday that was accompanied by a picture of Black men with guns.

              “One way ticket fellas,” he wrote on his campaign account. “Have your affairs in order. Me?... I wouldn’t even spill my beer. I’d drop any 10 of you where you stand.”

              “We don’t care what color you are. We don’t care if you’re left or right. If you show up like this, if We recognize threat ... you won’t walk away,” added Higgins, a former police officer.

              Facebook confirmed to The Acadiana Advocate that it took Higgins’ post down for violating the company’s “violence and incitement” policies.

              Higgins’ also put up a picture of an eagle and wrote that he did not remove the post: “No, I did not remove my post. America is being manipulated into a new era of government control. Your liberty is threatened from within.”

              People are allowed to openly carry firearms in Louisiana, and Higgins is a vocal advocate for gun rights.

              Higgins’ initial post came in advance of a Black Lives Matter protest scheduled for Tuesday night. The event was peaceful, according to the Advocate, and was basically a barbecue. A small group with guns known as the Louisiana Cajun Militia did show up. They appeared to be all, or mostly, white.

              “That’s their right to protest as long as they keep it peaceful,” said Michael “Sauce” McComas, who said he was the leader of the group. “We’re just not gonna let them go around burning flags and intimidating.”

              Before 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse allegedly killed two protesters and injured one other in Kenosha, Wisconsin, video showed police thanking him and the other heavily armed white men he was with for the work they were doing.

              “We appreciate you guys, we really do,” a cop told the group before tossing Rittenhouse a bottle of water.

              Higgins’ office did not return a request for additional comment for this piece.

              In 2017, Higgins faced widespread condemnation after creating a video of himself touring the Auschwitz concentration camp.

              “This is why homeland security must be squared away, why our military must be invincible. ... It’s hard to walk away from the gas chambers and ovens without a very sober feeling of commitment ― unwavering commitment ― to make damn sure that the United States of America is protected from the evils of the world,” he said in the video.

              He eventually apologized and took it down.
              ___________

              So tell your stiff suits up in Washington, DC, they ain't gonna change us one bit.
              Unless it's over my dead body. Or a lot of dead n*ggers.



              You'd kill, Frank? Is that what you're sayin'?


              I wouldn't give it no more thought than wringin' a cat's neck.


              My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
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                In 2017, Higgins faced widespread condemnation after creating a video of himself touring the Auschwitz concentration camp.

                “This is why homeland security must be squared away, why our military must be invincible. ... It’s hard to walk away from the gas chambers and ovens without a very sober feeling of commitment ― unwavering commitment ― to make damn sure that the United States of America is protected from the evils of the world,” he said in the video.
                Mmm, sobering feeling of commitment. You don't say, Clay. Did you recognize yourself in a mirror at that camp?

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                • One of the rioters that attempted to get at Rand Paul and his wife, but misdirected his attack at The Metropolitan PD has been caught and arrested.
                  https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-ar...-rand-paul-rnc

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                  • Adult woman attacks a 12 year old on bicycle with a Trump sign.
                    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/0...ign=socialflow

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                    • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                      GOP Rep. Clay Higgins Threatens To Shoot Armed Protesters: 'I'd Drop Any 10 Of You'

                      Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) said he’d be more than willing to shoot any armed demonstrators in Louisiana in a Facebook post Tuesday that was accompanied by a picture of Black men with guns.

                      “One way ticket fellas,” he wrote on his campaign account. “Have your affairs in order. Me?... I wouldn’t even spill my beer. I’d drop any 10 of you where you stand.”

                      “We don’t care what color you are. We don’t care if you’re left or right. If you show up like this, if We recognize threat ... you won’t walk away,” added Higgins, a former police officer.

                      Well, I see the ACLU has denounced his previous attacks on the first amendment. Will the NRA now denounce his attack on the second, or is the idea of shooting people who show up at protests armed with weapons only a problem if those people aren't NRA members?
                      Trust me?
                      I'm an economist!

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                      • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                        Adult woman attacks a 12 year old on bicycle with a Trump sign.
                        https://www.denverpost.com/2020/09/0...ign=socialflow
                        That's actually de-escalation of a sort.New level is random killing as in Portland.

                        Kenosha will be a quite interesting case.I'm curious if it will be a trial before the elections.How much time do these procedures usually take?
                        Those who know don't speak
                        He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                        • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                          That's actually de-escalation of a sort.New level is random killing as in Portland.

                          Kenosha will be a quite interesting case.I'm curious if it will be a trial before the elections.How much time do these procedures usually take?
                          Capital murder cases takes months to prepare. I would be surprised if a trial begins before the end of 2021...the jurisdiction is still not set...city or state.
                          “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                          Mark Twain

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                          • Murder cases usually run a year in Maryland, with waivers to extend longer not being unusual at all.

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                            • The left in California moves to diminishes some pedophilia.
                              https://www.theblaze.com/news/califo...ults-sex-teens
                              Last edited by surfgun; 03 Sep 20,, 23:52.

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                              • I mean really, is anyone surprised or doubts he said this? the guy who pissed on a Gold Star family and insulted POWs?

                                https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uckers/615997/

                                Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
                                The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

                                JEFFREY GOLDBERG
                                SEPTEMBER 3, 2020

                                When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

                                Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

                                Belleau Wood is a consequential battle in American history, and the ground on which it was fought is venerated by the Marine Corps. America and its allies stopped the German advance toward Paris there in the spring of 1918. But Trump, on that same trip, asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?” He also said that he didn’t understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the Allies.


                                Trump’s understanding of concepts such as patriotism, service, and sacrifice has interested me since he expressed contempt for the war record of the late Senator John McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said in 2015 while running for the Republican nomination for president. “I like people who weren’t captured.”

                                There was no precedent in American politics for the expression of this sort of contempt, but the performatively patriotic Trump did no damage to his candidacy by attacking McCain in this manner. Nor did he set his campaign back by attacking the parents of Humayun Khan, an Army captain who was killed in Iraq in 2004.

                                Trump remained fixated on McCain, one of the few prominent Republicans to continue criticizing him after he won the nomination. When McCain died, in August 2018, Trump told his senior staff, according to three sources with direct knowledge of this event, “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral,” and he became furious, according to witnesses, when he saw flags lowered to half-staff. “What the fuck are we doing that for? Guy was a fucking loser,” the president told aides. Trump was not invited to McCain’s funeral. (These sources, and others quoted in this article, spoke on condition of anonymity. The White House did not return earlier calls for comment, but Alyssa Farah, a White House spokesperson, emailed me this statement shortly after this story was posted: “This report is false. President Trump holds the military in the highest regard. He’s demonstrated his commitment to them at every turn: delivering on his promise to give our troops a much needed pay raise, increasing military spending, signing critical veterans reforms, and supporting military spouses. This has no basis in fact.”)

                                Trump’s understanding of heroism has not evolved since he became president. According to sources with knowledge of the president’s views, he seems to genuinely not understand why Americans treat former prisoners of war with respect. Nor does he understand why pilots who are shot down in combat are honored by the military. On at least two occasions since becoming president, according to three sources with direct knowledge of his views, Trump referred to former President George H. W. Bush as a “loser” for being shot down by the Japanese as a Navy pilot in World War II. (Bush escaped capture, but eight other men shot down during the same mission were caught, tortured, and executed by Japanese soldiers.)

                                When lashing out at critics, Trump often reaches for illogical and corrosive insults, and members of the Bush family have publicly opposed him. But his cynicism about service and heroism extends even to the World War I dead buried outside Paris—people who were killed more than a quarter century before he was born. Trump finds the notion of military service difficult to understand, and the idea of volunteering to serve especially incomprehensible. (The president did not serve in the military; he received a medical deferment from the draft during the Vietnam War because of the alleged presence of bone spurs in his feet. In the 1990s, Trump said his efforts to avoid contracting sexually transmitted diseases constituted his “personal Vietnam.”)


                                On Memorial Day 2017, Trump visited Arlington National Cemetery, a short drive from the White House. He was accompanied on this visit by John Kelly, who was then the secretary of homeland security, and who would, a short time later, be named the White House chief of staff. The two men were set to visit Section 60, the 14-acre area of the cemetery that is the burial ground for those killed in America’s most recent wars. Kelly’s son Robert is buried in Section 60. A first lieutenant in the Marine Corps, Robert Kelly was killed in 2010 in Afghanistan. He was 29. Trump was meant, on this visit, to join John Kelly in paying respects at his son’s grave, and to comfort the families of other fallen service members. But according to sources with knowledge of this visit, Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Kelly (who declined to comment for this story) initially believed, people close to him said, that Trump was making a ham-handed reference to the selflessness of America’s all-volunteer force. But later he came to realize that Trump simply does not understand non-transactional life choices.

                                “He can’t fathom the idea of doing something for someone other than himself,” one of Kelly’s friends, a retired four-star general, told me. “He just thinks that anyone who does anything when there’s no direct personal gain to be had is a sucker. There’s no money in serving the nation.” Kelly’s friend went on to say, “Trump can’t imagine anyone else’s pain. That’s why he would say this to the father of a fallen marine on Memorial Day in the cemetery where he’s buried.”

                                I’ve asked numerous general officers over the past year for their analysis of Trump’s seeming contempt for military service. They offer a number of explanations. Some of his cynicism is rooted in frustration, they say. Trump, unlike previous presidents, tends to believe that the military, like other departments of the federal government, is beholden only to him, and not the Constitution. Many senior officers have expressed worry about Trump’s understanding of the rules governing the use of the armed forces. This issue came to a head in early June, during demonstrations in Washington, D.C., in response to police killings of Black people. James Mattis, the retired Marine general and former secretary of defense, lambasted Trump at the time for ordering law-enforcement officers to forcibly clear protesters from Lafayette Square, and for using soldiers as props: “When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution,” Mattis wrote. “Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.”

                                Another explanation is more quotidian, and aligns with a broader understanding of Trump’s material-focused worldview. The president believes that nothing is worth doing without the promise of monetary payback, and that talented people who don’t pursue riches are “losers.” (According to eyewitnesses, after a White House briefing given by the then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joe Dunford, Trump turned to aides and said, “That guy is smart. Why did he join the military?”)

                                Yet another, related, explanation concerns what appears to be Trump’s pathological fear of appearing to look like a “sucker” himself. His capacious definition of sucker includes those who lose their lives in service to their country, as well as those who are taken prisoner, or are wounded in battle. “He has a lot of fear,” one officer with firsthand knowledge of Trump’s views said. “He doesn’t see the heroism in fighting.” Several observers told me that Trump is deeply anxious about dying or being disfigured, and this worry manifests itself as disgust for those who have suffered. Trump recently claimed that he has received the bodies of slain service members “many, many” times, but in fact he has traveled to Dover Air Force Base, the transfer point for the remains of fallen service members, only four times since becoming president. In another incident, Trump falsely claimed that he had called “virtually all” of the families of service members who had died during his term, then began rush-shipping condolence letters when families said the president was not telling the truth.

                                Trump has been, for the duration of his presidency, fixated on staging military parades, but only of a certain sort. In a 2018 White House planning meeting for such an event, Trump asked his staff not to include wounded veterans, on grounds that spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees. “Nobody wants to see that,” he said.
                                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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