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  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    The job was to STOP HIM. Again, after demonstrating that he can fight off extreme hurt, YOU DON'T STOP SHOOTING UNTIL HE STOPS MOVING.
    No, an arrest warrant is to arrest someone. It is a policing action not a military one.

    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Oh Horse Puckey!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police...use_by_country

    Simple maths tell me that there are more than 20 cases when European police firearms are used that they emptied their mags.

    And IT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE in ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES to investigate ALL Police firearms discharges and the Policemen themselves put on Administrative Leave (as opposed to a suspension without pay) so that the Policemen themselves do not corrupt the investigation either willfully or ignorantly. They are still bound to and portected by the very police departments they work for. Suspension without pay means that they are not going to pay for dirty cops.
    Difference is in Europe there is a requirement for the use of reasonable force.

    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    There is a BIG difference between an EDUCATED opinion and WILD ASSED assumptions. Guess which one yours fall under.
    If I shot an unarmed man seven times in the back could I claim the use of reasonable force in self defence? Not a hope. In my view the Officers (who have actually been put on 'administrative leave') clearly used excessive force.

    Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    Here's one that has been drilled into me since the first time I held a firearm. Never point your firearm in a direction unless you're intending to shoot in that direction. Always be aware of your shot. Be aware if you shoot, you're shooting to kill.
    You were trained as a soldier not a Police Officer.

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    • Originally posted by snapper View Post
      No, an arrest warrant is to arrest someone. It is a policing action not a military one.
      And when the perp resist arrest?

      Originally posted by snapper View Post
      Difference is in Europe there is a requirement for the use of reasonable force.
      So emptying a mag is reasonable use of force then.

      Originally posted by snapper View Post
      If I shot an unarmed man seven times in the back could I claim the use of reasonable force in self defence? Not a hope. In my view the Officers (who have actually been put on 'administrative leave') clearly used excessive force.
      Come off it, you have ZERO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT FIREARMS, else you would not be posting this bullshit. I'll bet you 10 to one that you could not even use a bellygun to put 5 rounds in a guy at point blank range.

      Whatif the man is a demonstrated threat who has shown that he could walk off wounds?



      Four wounds and the perp still was able to wrestle the pistol away from the mother and he then took another round from the daughter. The cops found the man on the way to the hospital.

      YOU DON'T STOP SHOOTING UNTIL THE MAN STOPS MOVING.

      BTW, Blake ain't dead!

      Originally posted by snapper View Post
      You were trained as a soldier not a Police Officer.
      I'm a hunter! I know what can drop a deer, moose, bear, and hence, a man, and I'm telling you flat out unless it's a head shot, YOU CANNOT COUNT ON SIDEARMS TO STOP A MAN IN HIS TRACKS WITH ONE SINGLE SHOT!

      You don't stop shooting until the perp stops moving.
      Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 01 Sep 20,, 08:05.
      Chimo

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      • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
        And when the perp resist arrest?
        Persist/call for back up.

        Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
        So emptying a mag is reasonable use of force then.
        No it is not; all people even if there is an arrest warrant out for them, are innocent until proven guilty. A Police Officer is a law enforcement officer not an executioner.

        Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
        Come off it, you have ZERO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT FIREARMS, else you would not be posting this bullshit. I'll bet you 10 to one that you could not even use a bellygun to put 5 rounds in a guy at point blank range.
        Admittedly I am not a very good shot but that is not the issue.


        Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
        Whatif the man is a demonstrated threat who has shown that he could walk off wounds?



        Four wounds and the perp still was able to wrestle the pistol away from the mother and he then took another round from the daughter. The cops found the man on the way to the hospital.
        Defending your private property (or a business you own) is not what the Police Officers were doing. There was a case in England some time ago when some old guy disturbed a couple of burglars who'd broken into his home; somehow he 'defended his property' (I forget if he used a knife or a gun) and one the burglars ended up dead; the old guy got charged.

        Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
        YOU DON'T STOP SHOOTING UNTIL THE MAN STOPS MOVING.

        BTW, Blake ain't dead!

        I'm a hunter! I know what can drop a deer, moose, bear, and hence, a man, and I'm telling you flat out unless it's a head shot, YOU CANNOT COUNT ON SIDEARMS TO STOP A MAN IN HIS TRACKS WITH ONE SINGLE SHOT!

        You don't stop shooting until the perp stops moving.
        I believe he is paralyzed? A Police Officer doing his duty is not hunting an animal or in this case an armed enemy as a soldier might do in war.

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        • Sara,what happened to this a dime a dozen common criminal and how is completely unimportant in a political sense.Only in the context of the current revolution in US this crap is used as a pretext(a very shallow one,but anything goes by now).
          That being said,him being turned away does not mean he was not an actual threat or a potential threat in the immediate future.Use of firearms to stop a criminal from fleeing is perfectly reasonable.In any European country you will get a call,a warning shot(if there is time) then is fire at will.This guy got warning enough.Lethal force was perfectly justified.Period.All else is just “rayciss poulis,Trump bad”.
          Those who know don't speak
          He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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          • This really belongs here,not in the joke thread https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBabylo...93573708812289
            Those who know don't speak
            He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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            • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
              Sara,what happened to this a dime a dozen common criminal and how is completely unimportant in a political sense.
              He was innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law. If 'the authorities' or 'organs of state' are allowed to murder people not proven guilty by the rule of law then nobody is safe; justice goes out of the window and factionalist murder becomes the norm.

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              • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                He was innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law. If 'the authorities' or 'organs of state' are allowed to murder people not proven guilty by the rule of law then nobody is safe; justice goes out of the window and factionalist murder becomes the norm.

                Then this model critizen ,along with others like him should have stood still,obey the police,then seek their justice in court.Police is there to enforce the law.Otherwise you get anarchy.And stop calling justified shooting murder,unless you plan to join the local BLM peaceful protest.

                I get it.You hate Trump.Dems hate Trump.The ultimate results these imbeciles donít seem to grasp or care is a US distracted by internal chaos.We donít have this as our interest.

                Or,at least,let them shoot each other en masse and deal with the survivors.
                Those who know don't speak
                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                  Then this model critizen ,along with others like him should have stood still,obey the police,then seek their justice in court.Police is there to enforce the law.Otherwise you get anarchy.And stop calling justified shooting murder,unless you plan to join the local BLM peaceful protest.
                  "Enforcing the law" in this case was executing the arrest warrant with as little fnus or violence as possible. When you end up shooting an unarmed man in the back seven times it is way over the top.

                  Certainly I am not about to join any BLM whatever...not many black people in Ukraine. I would happily advocate for Tatar rights in Crimea.

                  Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                  I get it.You hate Trump.Dems hate Trump.The ultimate results these imbeciles don’t seem to grasp or care is a US distracted by internal chaos.We don’t have this as our interest.

                  Or,at least,let them shoot each other en masse and deal with the survivors.
                  So first you're right (ish); I am and never have been a Tfump fan. Why? Because he's in hoc to the Chekists in Muscovy. Therefore it IS in our interests to get a non compromised President elected in the US and have them call out the actions of our enemy and act accordingly. The world will be a safer place with Agent Orange out of the White House and that is in our interests.

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                  • Apparently, the wanted subject was shot four times.
                    https://www.devdiscourse.com/article...ight-of-unrest

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                    • Here's a short list of Republicans who have stood up and said they will not support Donald Trump, and in almost all cases, have said that they do support Joe Biden:
                      John Kasich, Christine Todd Whitman, Meg Whitman, Susan Molinari, Miles Taylor, Colin Powell, John Weaver, Rick Wilson, Reed Galen, George Conway, Charlie Dent, Chuck Hagel, Edward Good, William Cohen, Michael Hayden, John Negroponte, William Webster, Gordon Humphrey, John Warner, Steve Bartlett, Bill Clinger, Tom Coleman, Charles Djou, Mickey Edwards, Wayne Gilchrest, Jim Greenwood, Bob Inglis, Jim Kolbe, Steve Kuykendall, Ray Lahood, Jim Leach, Connie Morella, Mike Parker, Jack Quinn, Claudine Schneider, Christopher Shays, Peter Smith, Alan Steelman, Jim Walsh, Bill Whitehurst, Dick Zimmer, Carlos Gutierrez, Ann Veneman, Mitt Mroney, Stephen Mandel, David Geffen, Josh Bekenstein, Steve Schmidt, Reed Galen, Jeff Flake, Gordon Humphries,

                      Then, there's the other side: Democrats supporting Trump.

                      Jefferson Van Drew,

                      Feel free to fill in the blanks if I missed anyone …
                      Trust me?
                      I'm an economist!

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                      • Here is a story out of Minnesota (of Dems for Trump).
                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...on/ar-BB18vpoF

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                        • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                          "Enforcing the law" in this case was executing the arrest warrant with as little fnus or violence as possible. When you end up shooting an unarmed man in the back seven times it is way over the top.
                          You ARE WILLFULLY IGNORING FACTS and replacing it with your ill conceived fantasies.

                          As SHOWN TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN, the man fought off two tasers showing that he can fight off wounds. Him getting a knife and a car makes him a legal lethal threat no matter what your little fantasy says other wise. Emptying a mag into him IS A LEGALLY JUSTIFIED USE OF FORCE!

                          Better and a hell of a lot smarter men than you have decided legal justifications.
                          Chimo

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                          • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            Persist/call for back up.
                            You want this guy to get into his car and allow him to dirve away. Yeah, real good.

                            Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            No it is not; all people even if there is an arrest warrant out for them, are innocent until proven guilty. A Police Officer is a law enforcement officer not an executioner.
                            Horse Puckey! I've given you a link that European Police Officers have emptied mags doing the course of their duties and it's NOT a one time thing.

                            Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            Admittedly I am not a very good shot but that is not the issue.
                            You have not shot a thing and that is the issue! You don't know what will stop a man.

                            Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            Defending your private property (or a business you own) is not what the Police Officers were doing.
                            They were facing violence, just as these women were doing. And stop switching issue, the video is to demonstrate how a man ignoring wounds can still be dangerous, showing EXACTLY why YOU DON'T STOP SHOOTING UNTIL THE PERP STOPS MOVING!

                            Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            There was a case in England some time ago when some old guy disturbed a couple of burglars who'd broken into his home; somehow he 'defended his property' (I forget if he used a knife or a gun) and one the burglars ended up dead; the old guy got charged.
                            Did he get convicted?

                            Originally posted by snapper View Post
                            I believe he is paralyzed? A Police Officer doing his duty is not hunting an animal or in this case an armed enemy as a soldier might do in war.
                            Stop with your fantasies. This is ABOUT PHYSICS and MEDICAL SCIENCE. You don't know crap what it takes to stop an aggressive man.
                            Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 01 Sep 20,, 18:02.
                            Chimo

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                            • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post

                              Did he get convicted?
                              IIRC,yes.It was truly the sort of fvcked up case that happen sometimes.
                              Those who know don't speak
                              He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                              • Originally posted by snapper View Post
                                "Enforcing the law" in this case was executing the arrest warrant with as little fnus or violence as possible. When you end up shooting an unarmed man in the back seven times it is way over the top.

                                Certainly I am not about to join any BLM whatever...not many black people in Ukraine. I would happily advocate for Tatar rights in Crimea.



                                So first you're right (ish); I am and never have been a Tfump fan. Why? Because he's in hoc to the Chekists in Muscovy. Therefore it IS in our interests to get a non compromised President elected in the US and have them call out the actions of our enemy and act accordingly. The world will be a safer place with Agent Orange out of the White House and that is in our interests.
                                That is completely not the case.Nothing Trump actually did supports this thesis.As a matter of fact,we got more exercises in common with Americans than ever before combined.Trump Admin also made sure to set some local a..holes straight.Plus there are weapons aquisition programs that go well.
                                No,US politics,which are mixture of comedy and hysteria for a while,don't count in sober analysis of the situation.
                                No decent person will look at the mobs in US and feel anything but revulsion.It's their problem and they're probably too far down the road to inferno to come back to their senses.But since America matters,their internal idiocy will have consequences for the world at large.
                                One of them being that no peep was heard wrt China in quite a while.Mid to long term that great country will stop functioning normally,because neither side will admit defeat in elections.Pretexts can be found easily.
                                Those who know don't speak
                                He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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