2020 American Political Scene

[Mihais]

Sara,what happened to this a dime a dozen common criminal and how is completely unimportant in a political sense.Only in the context of the current revolution in US this crap is used as a pretext(a very shallow one,but anything goes by now).
That being said,him being turned away does not mean he was not an actual threat or a potential threat in the immediate future.Use of firearms to stop a criminal from fleeing is perfectly reasonable.In any European country you will get a call,a warning shot(if there is time) then is fire at will.This guy got warning enough.Lethal force was perfectly justified.Period.All else is just “rayciss poulis,Trump bad”.

[Mihais]

This really belongs here,not in the joke thread https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBabylo...93573708812289

[snapper]

Sara,what happened to this a dime a dozen common criminal and how is completely unimportant in a political sense.

He was innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law. If 'the authorities' or 'organs of state' are allowed to murder people not proven guilty by the rule of law then nobody is safe; justice goes out of the window and factionalist murder becomes the norm.

[Mihais]

He was innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law. If 'the authorities' or 'organs of state' are allowed to murder people not proven guilty by the rule of law then nobody is safe; justice goes out of the window and factionalist murder becomes the norm.

Then this model critizen ,along with others like him should have stood still,obey the police,then seek their justice in court.Police is there to enforce the law.Otherwise you get anarchy.And stop calling justified shooting murder,unless you plan to join the local BLM peaceful protest.

I get it.You hate Trump.Dems hate Trump.The ultimate results these imbeciles don’t seem to grasp or care is a US distracted by internal chaos.We don’t have this as our interest.

Or,at least,let them shoot each other en masse and deal with the survivors.

[snapper]

Then this model critizen ,along with others like him should have stood still,obey the police,then seek their justice in court.Police is there to enforce the law.Otherwise you get anarchy.And stop calling justified shooting murder,unless you plan to join the local BLM peaceful protest.

"Enforcing the law" in this case was executing the arrest warrant with as little fnus or violence as possible. When you end up shooting an unarmed man in the back seven times it is way over the top.

Certainly I am not about to join any BLM whatever...not many black people in Ukraine. I would happily advocate for Tatar rights in Crimea.

I get it.You hate Trump.Dems hate Trump.The ultimate results these imbeciles don’t seem to grasp or care is a US distracted by internal chaos.We don’t have this as our interest.

Or,at least,let them shoot each other en masse and deal with the survivors.

So first you're right (ish); I am and never have been a Tfump fan. Why? Because he's in hoc to the Chekists in Muscovy. Therefore it IS in our interests to get a non compromised President elected in the US and have them call out the actions of our enemy and act accordingly. The world will be a safer place with Agent Orange out of the White House and that is in our interests.

[surfgun]

Apparently, the wanted subject was shot four times.
https://www.devdiscourse.com/article...ight-of-unrest

[DOR]

Here's a short list of Republicans who have stood up and said they will not support Donald Trump, and in almost all cases, have said that they do support Joe Biden:
John Kasich, Christine Todd Whitman, Meg Whitman, Susan Molinari, Miles Taylor, Colin Powell, John Weaver, Rick Wilson, Reed Galen, George Conway, Charlie Dent, Chuck Hagel, Edward Good, William Cohen, Michael Hayden, John Negroponte, William Webster, Gordon Humphrey, John Warner, Steve Bartlett, Bill Clinger, Tom Coleman, Charles Djou, Mickey Edwards, Wayne Gilchrest, Jim Greenwood, Bob Inglis, Jim Kolbe, Steve Kuykendall, Ray Lahood, Jim Leach, Connie Morella, Mike Parker, Jack Quinn, Claudine Schneider, Christopher Shays, Peter Smith, Alan Steelman, Jim Walsh, Bill Whitehurst, Dick Zimmer, Carlos Gutierrez, Ann Veneman, Mitt Mroney, Stephen Mandel, David Geffen, Josh Bekenstein, Steve Schmidt, Reed Galen, Jeff Flake, Gordon Humphries,

Then, there's the other side: Democrats supporting Trump.

Jefferson Van Drew,

Feel free to fill in the blanks if I missed anyone …

[surfgun]

Here is a story out of Minnesota (of Dems for Trump).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...on/ar-BB18vpoF

[Officer of Engineers]

"Enforcing the law" in this case was executing the arrest warrant with as little fnus or violence as possible. When you end up shooting an unarmed man in the back seven times it is way over the top.

You ARE WILLFULLY IGNORING FACTS and replacing it with your ill conceived fantasies.

As SHOWN TO YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN, the man fought off two tasers showing that he can fight off wounds. Him getting a knife and a car makes him a legal lethal threat no matter what your little fantasy says other wise. Emptying a mag into him IS A LEGALLY JUSTIFIED USE OF FORCE!

Better and a hell of a lot smarter men than you have decided legal justifications.

[Officer of Engineers]

Persist/call for back up.

You want this guy to get into his car and allow him to dirve away. Yeah, real good.

No it is not; all people even if there is an arrest warrant out for them, are innocent until proven guilty. A Police Officer is a law enforcement officer not an executioner.

Horse Puckey! I've given you a link that European Police Officers have emptied mags doing the course of their duties and it's NOT a one time thing.

Admittedly I am not a very good shot but that is not the issue.

You have not shot a thing and that is the issue! You don't know what will stop a man.

Defending your private property (or a business you own) is not what the Police Officers were doing.

They were facing violence, just as these women were doing. And stop switching issue, the video is to demonstrate how a man ignoring wounds can still be dangerous, showing EXACTLY why YOU DON'T STOP SHOOTING UNTIL THE PERP STOPS MOVING!

There was a case in England some time ago when some old guy disturbed a couple of burglars who'd broken into his home; somehow he 'defended his property' (I forget if he used a knife or a gun) and one the burglars ended up dead; the old guy got charged.

Did he get convicted?

I believe he is paralyzed? A Police Officer doing his duty is not hunting an animal or in this case an armed enemy as a soldier might do in war.

Stop with your fantasies. This is ABOUT PHYSICS and MEDICAL SCIENCE. You don't know crap what it takes to stop an aggressive man.

[Mihais]

Did he get convicted?

IIRC,yes.It was truly the sort of fvcked up case that happen sometimes.

[Mihais]

"Enforcing the law" in this case was executing the arrest warrant with as little fnus or violence as possible. When you end up shooting an unarmed man in the back seven times it is way over the top.

Certainly I am not about to join any BLM whatever...not many black people in Ukraine. I would happily advocate for Tatar rights in Crimea.



So first you're right (ish); I am and never have been a Tfump fan. Why? Because he's in hoc to the Chekists in Muscovy. Therefore it IS in our interests to get a non compromised President elected in the US and have them call out the actions of our enemy and act accordingly. The world will be a safer place with Agent Orange out of the White House and that is in our interests.

That is completely not the case.Nothing Trump actually did supports this thesis.As a matter of fact,we got more exercises in common with Americans than ever before combined.Trump Admin also made sure to set some local a..holes straight.Plus there are weapons aquisition programs that go well.
No,US politics,which are mixture of comedy and hysteria for a while,don't count in sober analysis of the situation.
No decent person will look at the mobs in US and feel anything but revulsion.It's their problem and they're probably too far down the road to inferno to come back to their senses.But since America matters,their internal idiocy will have consequences for the world at large.
One of them being that no peep was heard wrt China in quite a while.Mid to long term that great country will stop functioning normally,because neither side will admit defeat in elections.Pretexts can be found easily.

[Officer of Engineers]

IIRC,yes.It was truly the sort of fvcked up case that happen sometimes.

Reading wiki on the case, I get the sense it was an ambush with an illegal weapon. The weapon was loaded. I believe that British law requires the weapons to be unloaded when not in use. The farmer's action was too fast if this was the case. You can stand guard with loaded weapons but notice must be given, ie signs that B&E would be met with lethal force or a verbal warning.

Electric fences and lethal force must be advertised so that the perps know exactly what they're facing.

[snapper]

You know what Colonel I am tired of you. You jump on anything I say and make up excuse after excuse - "he could have kidnapped his children! Held them hostage" He didn't. For me your comment that you wanted Ukrainians and Muscovites to kill each other was just gross misunderstanding of our part of the world. Sure I understand your logic; you think both are enemies so if they kill each other good. But it was false then and now and even the logic is frankly disgusting to consider as serious public policy (though I know it is often a private view). Burble on and I wish you long life and endless Scotch Malt to enjoy it with but I have done with you.

[DOR]

Every time I read someone saying the Democratic Party is being dragged off to the extreme edge of the political sphere, I think of it as a warning from the GOP: Be careful! Your reputation is at stake! The heart and soul of the political system is in danger!
...Don't let what happened to us, happen to you.