The US 2020 Presidential Election

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Pressure mounts on ex-DoJ official Jeff Clark over Trump’s ‘election subversion scheme’

Jeffrey Clark, a former top environmental lawyer at the Trump justice department accused of plotting with Trump to undermine the 2020 election results in Georgia and other states, is facing ethics investigations in Washington that could lead to possible disbarment, as well as a watchdog inquiry that might result in a criminal referral.

The mounting scrutiny of the ex-assistant attorney general, who led the justice department’s environment division for almost two years and then ran its civil division, was provoked by a report from the Senate judiciary committee whose Democratic chairman, Richard Durbin, has asked the DC bar’s disciplinary counsel to examine Clark’s conduct and possibly sanction him.

The panel’s exhaustive 394-page report followed an eight-month inquiry, and included voluntary testimony from former acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue, revealing how Clark schemed privately with Trump about ways to pressure Rosen to help launch an inquiry into baseless charges of voting fraud in Georgia and other states that Joe Biden won.

The report noted Clark repeatedly tried to “induce Rosen into helping Trump’s election subversion scheme”, including by telling Rosen that if he agreed to join their cabal to overturn election results, Clark would turn down an offer Trump had made him to become attorney general in place of Rosen.

Clark was asked by the Senate panel to testify voluntarily in July but declined, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The Senate report was shared with the House select committee that has been investigating the 6 January attack on the Capitol by Trump supporters, and Trump’s efforts to overturn the election results. On 13 October, the committee issued a subpoena seeking deposition testimony, and it requested records from Clark on 29 October, after reportedly struggling to get his cooperation.

“It’s no mystery why Clark is playing hard to get with Congress,” said former justice department inspector general Michael Bromwich in an interview with the Guardian. “He faces a meaningful threat of criminal liability based on the facts contained in the Senate report.

“The Senate report provides overwhelming evidence that Jeffrey Clark became a witting pawn of Trump’s in trying to launch a coup in the justice department, which would then serve as the launching pad for the broader coup whose aim was to overturn the results of the election.”

Clark’s covert efforts to help Trump have been under scrutiny by the current inspector general at the justice department, Michael Horowitz, since January, when news reports surfaced about his machinations with Trump to help overturn the election results by spurring an investigation in Georgia focused on baseless claims of voting fraud.

It’s unclear when the inspector general inquiry will be concluded, but depending on the findings, a criminal referral could result.

The Senate report provided new details about the secretive pressure tactics deployed by Trump and Clark to persuade Rosen to accede to their schemes to help nullify Biden’s win, even after Trump staunch ally, attorney general William Barr, publicly stated on 1 December that the election results were not marred by fraud that “could have effected a different outcome in the election”.

Strikingly, the report described a bizarre multi-hour White House meeting on 3 January that was attended by Trump, Rosen, Clark and other top administration lawyers, where Trump initially showed strong interest in ousting Rosen, who had been resisting pressures from Clark to open an inquiry into fraud allegations, and replacing him with Clark.

According to Rosen’s testimony, Trump began the meeting by taking an aggressive posture and declaring: “One thing we know is you, Rosen, aren’t going to do anything to overturn the election.”

At the end of the meeting, Trump dropped the covert scheme to oust Rosen after Rosen’s deputy Donoghue told Trump that he, Rosen and others, including the two top White House attorneys, would resign in protest.

Pat Cipollone, the top White House lawyer, condemned Trump’s plan as a “murder-suicide pact,” according to the Senate report.

The Senate report formally recommended that the DC bar’s disciplinary counsel “evaluate Clark’s conduct to determine whether disciplinary action is warranted”.

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, a top Democrat on the judiciary panel, in a statement to the Guardian said: “Either Jeffrey Clark was an enterprising sycophant looking to score points with a transactional president, or he was a cog in a much larger election-theft scheme. [Why not both? - TH]

“Clark’s testimony under oath will be very important to arrive at the full truth, which is why it’s very hard to imagine he avoids testifying – either before Congress or a grand jury.”

Before the release of the Senate report, ABC News unearthed emails revealing that Clark tried to get Rosen and his deputy to approve a letter he drafted on 28 December that would have pressed Georgia’s governor Brian Kemp to “convene a special session” of the state legislature to examine unfounded allegations of voting fraud before 6 January, when Congress met to certify the results.

The Senate GOP’s minority in a separate report offered a tepid defense for Trump and Clark’s actions, stating that Trump “listened to all data points” at the White House meeting where several resignations were threatened, and “rejected” the path Clark promoted with Trump’s apparent blessings. Grassley also faulted the Democrats for issuing their report before hearing from Clark and receiving more documents.

Still, two days before the majority report, about three dozen prominent lawyers and former DoJ officials signed an ethics complaint orchestrated by Lawyers Defending American Democracy which also asked the DC disciplinary counsel to investigate Clark’s conduct with an eye to sanctions.

The lawyers wrote that Clark “made false statements about the integrity of the election in a concerted effort to disseminate an official statement of the United States Department of Justice that the election results in multiple states were unreliable”.

Trump nominated Clark in mid-2017 to serve as assistant attorney general of the DoJ’s Environment and Natural Resources Division, but he was only narrowly confirmed in October 2018.
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Republicans continue to push election conspiracies at Trump-backed Michigan rally

Several Donald Trump-backed elected officials and candidates for state office gathered on the steps of the Michigan state Capitol building Tuesday to demand a “forensic audit” of the 2020 presidential election, repeating many of the same unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud that the former president and his supporters have been pushing for almost a year.

The event’s organizers had initially expected around 100 people to show up for the rally, but Michigan state police said Monday they were preparing for a much larger crowd after former President Donald Trump urged his supporters to attend. According to a report from Sinclair Broadcast Group, roughly 300 to 400 people were present at the state capitol in Lansing when the rally began at noon.

Trump had promoted the event in an Oct. 8 statement, writing, “Big Michigan Rally coming up on Oct. 12th, on the Capitol steps in Lansing, where Patriots will demand a Forensic Audit of the 2020 Presidential Election Scam. The Voter Fraud is beyond what anyone can believe. Anyone who cares about our Great Country should attend, because unless we look to the past and fix what happened, we won’t have a future or a Country.”

Three Trump-endorsed candidates spoke at the rally: Kristina Karamo, who is running for secretary of state; Matt DePerno, who is running for attorney general; and state Rep. Steve Carra, who is trying to unseat U.S. Rep. Fred Upton, a Republican who voted for Trump’s impeachment following the violence on Jan. 6. State Reps. John Reilly and Daire Rendon also spoke, with Rendon saying she’s seen “a lot of evidence” of fraud. Rendon was reportedly wearing a “Q” button at the event, representing the far-right QAnon conspiracy theory.

Other speakers included former Dominion Voting Systems contractor Mellissa Carone, whose outlandish and erroneous claims about alleged ballot fraud in Detroit became the subject of a "Saturday Night Live" skit after she appeared alongside Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani at a Michigan House panel last December. Carone is running in 2022 for the Michigan House seat currently held by Reilly, who can no longer seek reelection because of term limits. Despite being introduced at Tuesday’s rally as a Trump-backed candidate, Carone clarified that she has yet to receive the former president’s coveted endorsement.

Despite no credible evidence of electoral fraud, Republican politicians and activists across the country have been pushing for “forensic audits,” like the one that occurred this year in Arizona’s Maricopa County, in a quixotic attempt to overturn the November election. The Maricopa review, which was undertaken by pro-Trump partisans, eventually concluded that Joe Biden had won the county. Liz Harris, an Arizona Republican who supported the audit, was among the speakers at Tuesday’s rally in Michigan.

While Michigan’s electoral votes went to Trump in 2016, Biden narrowly won the state in 2020. In March, Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson announced that the state had completed 250 audits, all of which “confirmed the integrity and accuracy of the 2020 general election.”

Numerous Republican lawmakers and candidates have refused to admit that Trump lost the election in the months since far-right rioters attempted to stop the certification of Biden’s victory on Jan. 6. An August Yahoo News/YouGov survey found that66 percent of Republicans said "the election was rigged and stolen from Trump," while just 18 percent said "Joe Biden won fair and square." Those results are in line with a September CNN poll that found 78 percent of Republicans saying Biden did not win, and 54 percent saying there was solid evidence to support their belief despite no such evidence existing.

Across the country, Republicans who say the election was stolen are contesting secretary of state races. The position typically denotes a state’s top election official, raising fears of what might happen if the offices are won by candidates who say the last election was illegitimate. According to Reuters, 10 of the 15 Republican candidates for secretary of state in five key battleground states are still questioning whether Trump actually lost.

At a House Oversight Committee hearing last week, Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., was asked who won the election in Arizona and replied, "We don't know. There are a lot of issues with this election that took place.”

"There's the problem," said Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., who asked Biggs the question. "Donald Trump refused to accept the results, and unfortunately we have one of the world's great political parties, which has followed him off of the ledge of this electoral lunacy, and it's dangerous for democracy."

At that same hearing, the Republican vice chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors expressed concern that the review was just the start.

“This is without a doubt the biggest threat to our democracy in my lifetime,” Bill Gates, the vice chairman, said. “If elected officials continue to choose party over truth, then these procedures are going to continue on these privately funded, government-backed attacks on legitimate elections.”

In an interview with Fox News on Sunday, the second-highest ranking House Republican, Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, refused to say the election wasn’t stolen. Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., who was the third-highest ranking Republican in the House until she was ousted from the position earlier this year after voting for Trump’s second impeachment, criticized Scalise for his comments.

“Millions of Americans have been sold a fraud that the election was stolen,” Cheney tweeted. “Republicans have a duty to tell the American people that this is not true. Perpetuating the Big Lie is an attack on the core of our constitutional republic.”

Last week, the Senate Judiciary Committee released a damning report revealing new details about how Trump and his allies attempted to pressure the Justice Department into overturning his defeat in the 2020 election. The report was the result of an eight-month investigation into Trump’s efforts to undermine the outcome of the election, culminating in the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

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Judge dismisses Fulton County ballot review case in Georgia

ATLANTA (AP) — A judge on Wednesday dismissed a lawsuit that alleged fraud in Georgia’s most populous county during the 2020 election. The suit sought a review of some 147,000 absentee ballots in search of illegitimate votes.

The lawsuit was originally filed in December and said there was evidence of fraudulent ballots and improper ballot counting in Fulton County. It was filed by nine Georgia voters and spearheaded by Garland Favorito, a longtime critic of Georgia’s election systems.

Henry County Superior Court Chief Judge Brian Amero’s order dismissing the case says the Georgia voters who brought the lawsuit “failed to allege a particularized injury” and therefore lacked the standing to claim that their state constitutional rights to equal protection and due process had been violated.

“All citizens of Georgia have a right to know whether or not counterfeit ballots were injected into the Fulton Co. election results, how many were injected, where they came from and how we can prevent it from happening again in future elections,” Favorito wrote in an email. “It is not adequate for any organizations to secretly tell us there are no counterfeit ballots and refuse to let the public inspect them.”

He added that his team had “prepared diligently to show the evidence of our allegations” at a hearing Amero had previously scheduled for Nov. 15.

Fulton County Board of Commissioners Chairman Robb Pitts celebrated the lawsuit’s dismissal.

“Today was a win for democracy,” he said in an emailed statement. “This lawsuit was the result of the Big Lie, which is nothing more than a meritless conspiracy theory being spread by people who simply cannot accept that their side lost. Its defeat here today should echo throughout the nation.”

The ballot review effort in Fulton County was one of a number of similar reviews and audits that supporters of former President Donald Trump and others pursued after alleging fraud during the 2020 general election. State and federal election election officials have repeatedly said there was no evidence of widespread fraud in the election.

Angered by his narrow loss in a traditionally red state, Trump focused his fury on Georgia, and particularly on Fulton County. He and his allies harshly criticized top Republican elected officials in the state for not acting to overturn his loss.

The lawsuit filed by Favorito and others relied heavily on sworn affidavits from several people who participated in a hand recount of the ballots that stemmed from a state audit requirement. They asserted that they saw suspicious-looking absentee ballots that looked as if they had been marked by machine rather than by hand and had not been creased as they would have been to fit in an envelope.

During a hearing last month, Amero had asked or an update into any investigations by the secretary of state’s office and Georgia Bureau of Investigation into allegations of fraudulent or counterfeit ballots in Fulton County.

Lawyers with the state attorney general’s office on Tuesday filed a response brief that details investigative steps taken in response to the claims. Investigators interviewed witnesses and examined about 1,000 absentee ballots and ballot images. They did not uncover any ballots matching those described by the people who swore affidavits or that otherwise appeared to be fraudulent or counterfeit, the brief says.

Investigators examined the ballots in the batches and box identified by one person who participated the hand count, but all had been creased and none appeared to have been marked by a computer. The woman then told investigators she may have been mistaken and gave them another box number, but investigators determined that the box-batch combination she cited didn’t exist.
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[Albany Rifles]

If you want to get money out of elections, ban K street and public sector union lobbying. What The Zuck did (he really is a malevolent force) was virtually privatize the collection and counting of votes.

Having lived in DC...burn K Street to the ground.

I want all elections to be publicly funded.

[zraver]

Frankly, I want to see ALL private money out of elections.

I think Citizen's United was wrongly determined.

We had some movement post-Watergate but it all went in the shitter pretty quickly.

I know a LOT of younger folks concur with getting the private money out of politics.

Zuckerberg, the Kochs...all need to go away.

As a private citizen, no problem. As a public entity/corporation, nope.

If you want to get money out of elections, ban K street and public sector union lobbying. What The Zuck did (he really is a malevolent force) was virtually privatize the collection and counting of votes.

[Albany Rifles]

Alby, the WI story was updated Oct 11, 21.

Steps taken because of covid.... The WI Supreme Court said that was not good enough under state law. State law that per the Constitution is the sole source of election authority to decide the time, place and manner of elections.

WI seems to be another shit show like Fulton Co GA, supressing the Green Party, county officials using zuckbucks for targeted (partisan) vs generalized (non-partisan) get out the vote drives, illegal waiver of signature and ID requirements, illegal collection of votes from non authorized locations.... Nefarious or incompetence what is the difference? It does not matter why the dude in the cross walk got run over, what really matters is he got run over in a cross walk. BTW for Tinfoil, this is the same standard I use for J6. Intent is irrelevant, what matters is the actions.

The actions might not rise to the level of conspiracy, but they fuel Trump's claims that the election was rigged.

Of all the shit swirling around from Nov 2020, the Zuckbucks bug me the most. County election officials are supposed to be non-partisan, but they were engaged in partisan actions on behalf of a corporation/ billionaire's political agenda. A billionaire who then used his dominant social media position to throttle conservative speech and bury actual news relevant to the voters if it appeared to hurt the candidate he was backing.

Faith in elections means the rules when the game starts, stay the same until the final buzzer. Mid game changes to benefit one side are the opposite of building faith in elections.

Frankly, I want to see ALL private money out of elections.

I think Citizen's United was wrongly determined.

We had some movement post-Watergate but it all went in the shitter pretty quickly.

I know a LOT of younger folks concur with getting the private money out of politics.

Zuckerberg, the Kochs...all need to go away.

As a private citizen, no problem. As a public entity/corporation, nope.

[zraver]

The 2020 Election Wasn't Stolen, It Was Bought By Mark Zuckerberg (thefederalist.com)

Big CTCL and CEIR money had nothing to do with traditional campaign finance, lobbying, or other expenses that are related to increasingly expensive modern elections. It had to do with financing the infiltration of election offices at the city and county level by left-wing activists, and using those offices as a platform to implement preferred administrative practices, voting methods, and data-sharing agreements, as well as to launch intensive outreach campaigns in areas heavy with Democratic voters.

For instance, CTCL/CEIR funded self-described “vote navigators” in Wisconsin to “assist voters, potentially at their front doors, to answer questions, assist in ballot curing … and witness absentee ballot signatures,” and a temporary staffing agency affiliated with Stacey Abrams called “Happy Faces” counting the votes amidst the election night chaos in Fulton County, Georgia.

CTCL demanded the promotion of universal mail-in voting through suspending election laws, extending deadlines that favored mail-in over in-person voting, greatly expanding opportunities for “ballot curing,” expensive bulk mailings, and other lavish “community outreach” programs that were directed by private activists.

CTCL drove the proliferation of unmonitored private dropboxes (which created major chain of custody issues) and opportunities for novel forms of “mail-in ballot electioneering,” allowed for the submission of numerous questionable post-election-day ballots, and created opportunities for illegal ballot harvesting.

[zraver]

Alby, the WI story was updated Oct 11, 21.

Steps taken because of covid.... The WI Supreme Court said that was not good enough under state law. State law that per the Constitution is the sole source of election authority to decide the time, place and manner of elections.

WI seems to be another shit show like Fulton Co GA, supressing the Green Party, county officials using zuckbucks for targeted (partisan) vs generalized (non-partisan) get out the vote drives, illegal waiver of signature and ID requirements, illegal collection of votes from non authorized locations.... Nefarious or incompetence what is the difference? It does not matter why the dude in the cross walk got run over, what really matters is he got run over in a cross walk. BTW for Tinfoil, this is the same standard I use for J6. Intent is irrelevant, what matters is the actions.

The actions might not rise to the level of conspiracy, but they fuel Trump's claims that the election was rigged.

Of all the shit swirling around from Nov 2020, the Zuckbucks bug me the most. County election officials are supposed to be non-partisan, but they were engaged in partisan actions on behalf of a corporation/ billionaire's political agenda. A billionaire who then used his dominant social media position to throttle conservative speech and bury actual news relevant to the voters if it appeared to hurt the candidate he was backing.

Faith in elections means the rules when the game starts, stay the same until the final buzzer. Mid game changes to benefit one side are the opposite of building faith in elections.

[Albany Rifles]

Z,

The steps in Wisconsin were taken as a result of COVID. Says so right in the the story. Happened in a lot of places in the midst of the worse pandemic in a hundred years. From what I gathered from reading the story was local officials looked to state officials who advised these procedures were lawful in the face of the pandemic. Not sure of it was incorrect activity with no intent of malice or whether it is was case of nefarious activity.

As for the second story...the Elections Commission Administrator for Wisconsin said there were no formal complaints to her office, which is where those complaints go, prior to the election from any public official.


The story is from April of this year...anything newer which shows results of the investigation?

[zraver]

Wisconsin investigation (special counsel) of the 2020 election is heating up.

Interviews with more than a dozen witnesses, officials and lawyers who have interacted with retired Justice Mike Gableman and his staff suggest a strong focus on the role election bureaucracies played in changing the rules — without legislative consent — for how ballots were sent out, filled out, collected and counted.,,, and.... Perhaps even more consequential, the commission gave its blessing to an idea first conceived by election clerks in the blue counties of Dane and Milwaukee that voters could claim the normally rare status of "indefinitely confined" if they were too scared to go out during the COVID outbreak. The change allowed nearly 250,000 people to vote by absentee without complying with required voter ID rules.

That advice, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled after the election, was unlawful.


Wisconsin's election probe zeroes in on Democrat machine tactics, rule changes | Just The News

[zraver]

Oh look, Fulton county employees caught shredding voter applications..... in the middle of an investigation. Nothing to see here move along.

Fulton County election employees fired for allegedly shredding voter applications (msn.com)

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Georgia election official takes the fight to Trump

Donald Trump never wastes an opportunity to attack Georgia’s top statewide Republican officeholders for failing to help him overturn the 2020 election results in the key swing state.

Brad Raffensperger is the only one who refuses to shut up and take it.

Raffensperger, who has borne the brunt of Trump’s wrath as the top election official in the state, is running a damn-the-torpedoes reelection campaign that directly confronts the former president — even though it could cost him the GOP nomination.

In a party where Trump’s enemies tend to see their political careers abruptly ended, Raffensperger’s approach is being closely watched by Republicans within the state and outside.

“The last internal poll I saw said that 87 percent of Republican primary voters felt like the election was stolen,” said former Republican Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.). “With those kinds of numbers, I don’t see Brad getting through the primary.”

If Raffensperger isn’t Trump’s top GOP nemesis, he’s close to it. The Georgia secretary of state refused Trump’s requests to alter the state’s vote count and feuded with the former president over Trump’s baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. At one point, Raffensperger’s office secretly recorded Trump trying to persuade the secretary of state to “find” votes to make him the winner — a potential crime by Trump that local prosecutors are now investigating.

As a result, Trump has showered him with criticism for nearly a year, going so far as to call Raffensperger an “enemy of the people.”

Trump‘s obsession with Raffensperger shows no sign of fading. In July, the former president sent him a letter asking yet again to decertify the results of the 2020 election. As recently as two weeks ago, during a Georgia rally, Trump called Raffensperger “incompetent and strange.“

When Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.) — a staunch Trump ally — announced earlier this year he’d challenge Raffensperger in the primary, Trump immediately endorsed him.

Trump also had Hice give brief remarks at the September rally where the former president also trashed Gov. Brian Kemp, Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and state Attorney General Chris Carr — all Republicans who rebuffed Trump’s calls to overturn the election results.

Duncan, who has been critical of Trump, decided against running for another term and instead wrote a book about the future of the party. Kemp and Carr are seeking reelection next year along with Raffensperger, but have largely ignored the president’s attacks.

Raffensperger has taken a different tack.

After Trump used his rally to mock-endorse Democrat Stacey Abrams — who is expected to mount her second campaign for Georgia governor after refusing to formally concede her last race for the office three years ago — Raffensperger wrote a USA Today op-ed comparing Trump to Abrams.

Next month he’ll publish a book called “Integrity Counts,” billed by Simon & Schuster as Raffensperger’s “inspiring story of commitment to the integrity of American democracy.”

“We’re out there setting the record straight. No. 1 is that President Trump did not carry the state of Georgia,” Raffensperger told POLITICO, pointing to multiple recounts, reviews and investigations that confirmed the accuracy of the Georgia results.

Seth Bringman, a spokesperson for Abrams, swiped at Raffensperger for comparing her 2018 loss to Trump’s, saying that “Abrams succeeded in court to count more Georgians’ votes, with reputable attorneys presenting coherent arguments, and the courts agreed and counted those votes. It surprises us that Raffensperger equates counting eligible votes based on fact with throwing out the will of the people based on the Big Lie.”

Raffensperger’s op-ed, Bringman said, amounts to “attacking Stacey and pushing election subversion in a sad attempt to win the votes of the insurrectionist wing in his upcoming primary.”

Raffensperger’s frontal assault on Trump is widely viewed as a doomed strategy in a state where Trump dominates the GOP and majorities of Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen — a January poll showed only 45 percent of Republicans supported the secretary of state.

That survey was taken just after Republican incumbents lost their two U.S. Senate runoff races on Jan. 5. Both senators called on Raffensperger to resign at Trump’s insistence after he lost Georgia in November.

Speaking of Raffensperger’s confrontational approach toward Trump, Westmoreland said, “it’s probably not helpful in a primary. Republican voters think the election was stolen.” But he also said many Republicans were troubled with Trump’s rally comment that Abrams “might be better than having your existing governor.”

While Raffensperger acknowledges the difficulties he faces going forward, he said he has no choice but to speak out. He also did not fault Kemp or Carr for failing to denounce Trump’s efforts to overturn the election.

“It's a conundrum on how to respond to some statements [from Trump] when they're over the top, or they're said pejoratively,” Raffensperger said. “If the former president has endorsed Stacey Abrams, I would think that would be shocking for most Republicans. ”

Raffensperger said he has faith that voters will reward him for running a race “with integrity” and that “they understand that I'll make the hard, difficult calls of standing up … because it's easy to follow your integrity. It may not be fun. But the decision was easy, because it was based on the law, based on the Constitution, and based on the truth.”

Trump is expected to return to the state before the 2022 primaries, and he’s certain to trash Raffensperger again. Raffensperger said he’s comfortable continuing to push back against Trump if the situation warrants.

“I think it's always important to speak the truth,” he said. “I think it's always important to do that respectfully.”
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[Parihaka]

t took a couple days of digging,

LoL, I'm in the middle of shoring up an international supply chain as my country yet again goes through a lock down. You are five minutes over a very early cup of coffee, or the thing that gets me off for a quick nap late afternoon before I cook dinner and spend time with my family.

[TopHatter]

I gotta hand it to ya Top, finding two conspiracy theory garbage stories, same source.

I gotta hand it to ya Pari, it took a couple days of digging, but you still managed to find a new way to troll. Bravo Zulu!

[Parihaka]

We Still Won’t Admit Why So Many People Believe the Big Lie

How could so many Americans believe in “the Big Lie?” We see the numbers and we shake our heads. Poll after poll shows that one third of all of us believe the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. Even though the matter has been adjudicated in scores of courts. Even though not a single scintilla of evidence exists that the election was anything but fair.

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"Lies are easy and the Truth is hard"[/B]

No wonder so many people admire and defend Donald Trump

Correlates to:

How Donald Trump Plans to Overthrow American Democracy

Unless we awaken, the American people may well be sleepwalking into an electoral coup d’etat.

If their own words are to be believed, Donald Trump and his operatives have been preparing for the election heist for some time. The rough model will be the 2000 Bush V. Gore election, when, by a single vote, the Supreme Court halted the counting of ballots in Florida, thereby stealing the presidency for George W. Bush.

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This is the nightmare scenario that could put Trump in office for another 4 years...his brownshirts storming the polling centers, creating enough havoc and confusion to bring the whole mess before Trump and McConnell's kangaroo Supreme Court.

I gotta hand it to ya Top, finding two conspiracy theory garbage stories, same source.
One good virtuous (left wing) conspiracy, one bad damnable (right wing) conspiracy.
Outlining institutional media bias in this way is genius.