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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostQuite a dip.
Why or what happened ?
Originally posted by Double Edge View Posti guess that stuff is behind their pay wall
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostMid 40s to lower 50s for total approve is looking safe.
Lower forties and staying there is not.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostDon't know....not sure if those numbers reflect the NYT exposé on his taxes
Originally posted by TopHatter View PostAgreed. His absolute worst numbers were back in August 2017 (not during the height of COVID panic, interestingly enough), where his Approval Index was at a -26 and his Total Approve was at just 38-39%
https://nypost.com/author/michael-walsh/
His claim to fame ? before the last elections he traveled around the country and called the result a month before.
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Since it seems that nobody has as of yet posted a video of the first debate, here is one from C-SPAN. If watching in real-time, rewind back in time, else it will begin at current time.
Originally posted by C-SPAN
First 2020 Presidential Debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden
President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden participate in the first 2020 presidential debate in Cleveland, OH.
https://www.c-span.org/debates/
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Originally posted by JRT View PostSince it seems that nobody has as of yet posted a video of the first debate, here is one from C-SPAN....
The moderators for the next debate damn well better have a plan for dealing with Trump.
Otherwise debates are pointless when one of the participants is a disrespectful child that won't wait his turn.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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that was painful, stopped watching after an hour.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by astralis View Postthat was painful, stopped watching after an hour.
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Originally posted by DOR View PostDisgraceful.
The moderator must have direct control of the microphone on/off switch.
I see no reason why there should be more presidential debates.
He can't do that if he can't interrupt people every 5 seconds.
Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostThat being said the moderator sucked big time and lost total control in the first minutes from what I read. The reputation of Chris Wallace just took a hit. My god just think about the other two on the docket.
Originally posted by DOR View PostI agree with DOR as to what is the point of further matches.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Trump refuses to denounce white supremacy, orders Proud Boys to 'stand back and stand by'
President Trump refused to denounce white supremacy during an intense debate with Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden Tuesday night.
“Almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing,” Trump said when directly asked to denounce white supremacists and militia groups who have aligned themselves with him.
Trump asked moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News to “give me a name,” then Biden chimed in and noted the Proud Boys, a group that the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated as a hate group.
The Proud Boys describe themselves as “a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world; aka Western Chauvinists” and have been tied to violent protests, often in support of the president.
“Proud Boys — stand back and stand by,” Trump said Tuesday night.
Trump then moved attention to the left-wing anti-fascist movement known as antifa.
“Somebody has got to do something about antifa and the left because this isn’t a right-wing problem, this is a left-wing problem,” Trump said.
Biden then noted that FBI Director Christopher Wray has said antifa is not a formal organization, but an ideology.
“Well then, you know what, he’s wrong,” Trump said of Wray.
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Anybody want to keep justifying the "very fine people on both sides" comment? How about you surfgun, you've been awfully quiet lately. Any of this stirring your sense of morality? Your sense of right and wrong? Your sense of civility and barbarity?
Donald Trump just issued a direct command his base and his base responded in the affirmative.
These are the people that follow Donald Trump and obey him. He made that abundantly clear tonight.
“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by DOR View PostDisgraceful.
The moderator must have direct control of the microphone on/off switch.
I see no reason why there should be more presidential debates.
Unfortunately, as TH points out, both sides would need to agree and Trump won't. Constantly talking and shouting over his opponent is a key debate tactic for Trump. It is his way to get his opponent off balance, and he knows that his base just laps up that sort of thing. Incoherent, ignorant old white guys shouting everyone else down is basically how they think the world should work. The fact that it doesn't always work is a part of their victimhood mythology.sigpic
Win nervously lose tragically - Reds C C
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostThe moderators for the next debate damn well better have a plan for dealing with Trump. Otherwise debates are pointless when one of the participants is a disrespectful child that won't wait his turn..
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostWell if nothing else the Vice-Presidential debate should be a huge contrast in decorum as I don't see Pence behaving that way.
If Pence tries to pull the Trump Crap Kamala Harris needs to remind him of Pence's reaction when things went sideways 4 years ago.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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