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  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Trump is back in the WH after 72h. This is good news.
    Trump's car ride that put Secret Service agents at risk was reportedly a compromise after doctors refused to discharge him from the hospital

    President Donald Trump demanded to leave Walter Reed on Sunday, according to reports from CNN and the New York Times, but doctors urged him against doing so.

    The car ride that Trump took near the hospital, which put Secret Service agents at risk, was a compromise, according to the Times.

    Trump, who tested positive for COVID-19 last week and was subsequently taken to Walter Reed, is reportedly concerned that he looks "weak" being in the hospital.

    The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Insider.

    The president could be seen in the back seat of a car on Sunday wearing a mask and waving to supporters. On Twitter, Trump described the ride as a "little surprise visit to some of the patriots we have out on the street."

    But medical experts had a different take.

    Dr. James P. Phillips, an assistant professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University who is also an attending physician at Walter Reed, said Trump's car ride unnecessarily put lives at risk.

    "Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential 'drive-by' just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity," Phillips tweeted.

    "That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures," Phillips added. "The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play."

    Beyond medical professionals, current and former Secret Service agents were also alarmed by the incident.

    "He's not even pretending to care now," one agent told the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity, for fear of retribution.

    The White House defended the move against the swift backlash.

    "Appropriate precautions were taken in the execution of this movement to protect the president and all those supporting it," White House spokesperson Judd Deere told reporters on Sunday.

    White House chief of staff Mark Meadows downplayed Trump's risky car ride in a "Fox & Friends" interview on Monday.

    "Here's the interesting thing — they're criticizing, 'well, he put his Secret Service agents at risk.' Well, the Secret Service agents — how do we think he got here?" Meadows said.
    _____________

    Clearly Trump's doctors were confident in his condition to allow him to leave the hospital after 72 hours and pumping him full of a cocktail of experiment drugs.



    My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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    • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
      Trump and his wife test Positive

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/polit...rus/index.html

      Sorry but I can't feel bad for anyone who decides to ignore the seriousness of this virus. Have always felt that if you want to play with fire then you need to be ready to pay the price if it is called in. I'm sorry but it is poetic justice.

      Quarantine now and 33 days before the election and he has HPB and is quite overweight. Question is if he has diabetes II which he would never permit release of that piece of information.

      Next debate Oct. 15th.

      Next Rally???

      I will say one more thing and that is this virus is amazing as it just crossed species again.
      They're saying he got it from one of the staffers. He did not catch it from the rallies.

      At least this man did not insist on shaking hands with covid patients like Boris Johnson.

      Boris is twenty years younger, ended up in the ICU and still isn't his same old self.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 07 Oct 20,, 13:57.

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      • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

        Does it have to go all the way to Post-Soviet dictatorship to be effective? No, no it does not.

        As DOR said, there's poll watchers and then there's "poll watchers" and then there's POLL WATCHERS.

        Quite honestly I don't really care about who came out for what in 2016. I'm talking about Here, and Now, in 2020.

        I can provide plenty more links detailing how Republicans can fuck over this election and indeed Trump has already heaped doubt on the legitimacy the election months before it's even happened "If I lose, the election is rigged".

        I'm curious to know why you think the election won't be close and in which direction.

        Personally I would love to see a blowout, wherein a large majority of Americans (once again) reject Trump and Trumpism. But a large majority rejecting Trump that didn't keep him out of the White House in 2016 and I'm not counting on that happening this year either. I hope to be proven completely and utterly wrong. But I have no rose colored glasses on this year. Not anymore.

        You say "so light on content and so long on prophetic dystopia", which tells me that the last 4 years of Trump shredding the law and Constitution haven't made the slightest impact on you.

        Dystopia doesn't have to look like The Day After or The Man In The High Castle. It can look like a President brazenly disparaging once-sacred totems of a county, without the slightest consequence. Or openly sneering at the parts of a country's constitution that he finds inconvenient, again without the slightest reaction from his followers, which number in the tens of millions.

        Dystopia can look pretty goddamn normal.
        Ultimately I'd say I would have expected Biden to have a 5 point win prior to all this, or something around there, and I'd expect something like +9 or +10 now, which is pretty much as much of a blowout as you can get in a hyper-partisan environment.

        However, it wouldn't be impossible to have a Trump win, either with outright popular vote plurality or a EV/PV split. Even 538 still has Trump's odds at roughly 1 in 6 last I checked, which means that Trump can still win even with normal race changes and normal polling errors.

        Neither of those are really likely, but I think both of those are substantially more likely than an election in which the GOP tries to "steal" an election that's won by Biden, and ESPECIALLY more likely than the SC just riding along with it. That'd be a substantial overreach from just disputing Florida or Ohio results.
        "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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        • Ultimately I'd say I would have expected Biden to have a 5 point win prior to all this, or something around there, and I'd expect something like +9 or +10 now, which is pretty much as much of a blowout as you can get in a hyper-partisan environment.

          However, it wouldn't be impossible to have a Trump win, either with outright popular vote plurality or a EV/PV split. Even 538 still has Trump's odds at roughly 1 in 6 last I checked, which means that Trump can still win even with normal race changes and normal polling errors.

          Neither of those are really likely, but I think both of those are substantially more likely than an election in which the GOP tries to "steal" an election that's won by Biden, and ESPECIALLY more likely than the SC just riding along with it. That'd be a substantial overreach from just disputing Florida or Ohio result.
          I think that's essentially the GOP strategy now: try to close the point gap to within 4-5, and then with enough shenanigans-- like the post office stuff, questioning of mail-in balloting, lawsuits, etc-- try to force it into either the court system or the House of Representatives.

          but, the recent Biden polling is such that if it even kinda-sorta holds, all of this will be meaningless, thank God.

          at this point, Biden is holding -consistently- higher leads than Clinton: both because he's more popular AND because Trump is doing considerably worse than in 2016.

          There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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          • Originally posted by GVChamp View Post

            Ultimately I'd say I would have expected Biden to have a 5 point win prior to all this, or something around there, and I'd expect something like +9 or +10 now, which is pretty much as much of a blowout as you can get in a hyper-partisan environment.

            However, it wouldn't be impossible to have a Trump win, either with outright popular vote plurality or a EV/PV split. Even 538 still has Trump's odds at roughly 1 in 6 last I checked, which means that Trump can still win even with normal race changes and normal polling errors.

            Neither of those are really likely, but I think both of those are substantially more likely than an election in which the GOP tries to "steal" an election that's won by Biden, and ESPECIALLY more likely than the SC just riding along with it. That'd be a substantial overreach from just disputing Florida or Ohio results.
            Eric already covered the "stealing the election" part very well, so I won't rehash it.

            I agree with you that Biden will almost certainly notch a significant popular vote win, just as Clinton did in 2016. But, also as you said, it's not impossible for Trump to pull off an EV win. A PV win doesn't appear likely. 538's odds for a Trump victory are indeed at 17%, which is "high unlikely but not impossible"....personally I don't think the "not impossible" part is in operation here unless we get an October surprise that disembowels Biden's campaign. Incidentally, Biden has now pulled away from even the normal polling margins of error....for now at least.

            For what it's worth, the Republican money machine appears to agree with you about Trump's chances.

            But all that is meaningless when it comes to what actually puts you in the White House and it isn't the American voter. And now that Trump has the apparatus of Executive Department firmly in his hands, and is already doing incalculable damage to the election, there's no telling what results will be until the Electoral College votes are certified in the Senate.
            My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
              Mid 40s to lower 50s for total approve is looking safe.

              Lower forties and staying there is not.
              His overall Approval Index keeps dropping, I'm guessing due to his non-stop lying about, and downplaying of, COVID.

              He's down to -15 as of today. His numbers haven't been this bad since early July (a relative eternity ago)

              He needs to do his usual "pull out of the tailspin" maneuver pretty damn quick.
              My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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              • All the evil ones that has wished death upon a certain individual are about to have their heads explode.
                The physician to the POTUS reports that President Trump has Covid-19 anti-bodies. Nice try China.
                https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/trump-...ntibodies-doc/

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                • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                  All the evil ones that has wished death upon a certain individual are about to have their heads explode.
                  The physician to the POTUS reports that President Trump has Covid-19 anti-bodies. Nice try China.
                  https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/trump-...ntibodies-doc/
                  Thank GOD! There won't be any of his usual slithering out the back door scot free this time.
                  My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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                  • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                    His overall Approval Index keeps dropping, I'm guessing due to his non-stop lying about, and downplaying of, COVID.
                    The optics are bad. Downplaying the pandemic then getting sick brings it to the foreground. How well are you managing the crisis if you get sick yourself.

                    The other view is what he said, he's out there working with people. He wants people back at work and here he is setting an example.

                    If that's true then we can expect an uptick in approve due to sympathy.


                    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                    He's down to -15 as of today. His numbers haven't been this bad since early July (a relative eternity ago)

                    He needs to do his usual "pull out of the tailspin" maneuver pretty damn quick.
                    The biggest drop in approval index remains Sept 25 to Sept 28, -2 down to -11

                    I think -15 will decrease over the coming days.

                    How long does it take to improve ? only few days

                    Jul 10 - Jul 15 he goes from -15 to -4

                    Jul 15 - Jul 20 drops to -12

                    Jul 20 - Jul 22 up to -5

                    Jul 22 - Jul 29 back down to -13

                    Jul 29 - Aug 03 up to -1

                    and so on.....

                    Getting the timing right when people go to vote, approval index is not lower than -5

                    If its -10 - 15 then he's out


                    Another reason i think the first debate was a draw see

                    Sept 30 - Oct 1 -12 up -6

                    Oct 1 - Oct 2 back down to -12
                    Last edited by Double Edge; 07 Oct 20,, 20:53.

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                    • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                      The optics are bad. Downplaying the pandemic then getting sick brings it to the foreground. How well are you managing the crisis if you get sick yourself.

                      The other view is what he said, he's out there working with people. He wants people back at work and here he is setting an example.

                      If that's true then we can expect an uptick in approve due to sympathy.
                      He flouted every recommended precaution while "out there working with people", and in the process became a one-man super spreader.

                      I doubt you're going to see an uptick due to sympathy. The majority of Americans say that he brought this on himself....and dozens of others.


                      Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                      The biggest drop in approval index remains Sept 25 to Sept 28, -2 down to -11

                      I think -15 will decrease over the coming days.

                      How long does it take to improve ? only few days

                      Jul 10 - Jul 15 he goes from -15 to -4

                      Jul 15 - Jul 20 drops to -12

                      Jul 20 - Jul 22 up to -5

                      Jul 22 - Jul 29 back down to -13

                      Jul 29 - Aug 03 up to -1

                      and so on.....
                      Yes, that's been his pattern.

                      Likely as not, he'll recover, yeah. But like I said: He needs to recover pretty damn quick.
                      My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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                      • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                        He flouted every recommended precaution while "out there working with people", and in the process became a one-man super spreader.

                        I doubt you're going to see an uptick due to sympathy. The majority of Americans say that he brought this on himself....and dozens of others.
                        How is he a super spreader ? at the rallies which are outdoors he's over 30 feet away from any one.


                        Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                        Yes, that's been his pattern.

                        Likely as not, he'll recover, yeah. But like I said: He needs to recover pretty damn quick.
                        Give it ten days

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                        • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                          How is he a super spreader ? at the rallies which are outdoors he's over 30 feet away from any one.
                          You...you think that he spends 24 hours a day at rallies, always over 30 feet from anyone?

                          Have you even glanced at the news for the past 5 days?

                          My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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                          • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                            You...you think that he spends 24 hours a day at rallies, always over 30 feet from anyone?

                            Have you even glanced at the news for the past 5 days?
                            Yeah there's some saying it in an abstract sense because of his attitude and there's others counting how many got infected in his presence.

                            How many does he have to infect to be a super spreader ? hundred at least

                            You see that happening. I don't

                            Maybe this no mask thing will change as a result.

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                            • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              How many does he have to infect to be a super spreader ? hundred at least

                              You see that happening. I don't
                              And how many has he infected so far? And how many have they infected?
                              You don't see it...Nor will you because the White House has refused to do contract tracing.

                              Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                              Maybe this no mask thing will change as a result.
                              The man took off his mask and walked into the White House in close proximity to his staff.

                              Now say that again and ask yourself the likelihood of that happening.

                              My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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                              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                                And how many has he infected so far? And how many have they infected?
                                You don't see it...Nor will you because the White House has refused to do contract tracing.
                                Well, that's the system then. Self isolation is voluntary. No imposition.

                                Those that would give up freedom for security deserve neither and all that jazz.

                                The man is living as he says.

                                They passed a rule here the other day if any one refuses to be tested they can be fined, jailed or both.

                                Won't happen in your country.


                                Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                                The man took off his mask and walked into the White House in close proximity to his staff.

                                Now say that again and ask yourself the likelihood of that happening.
                                Theoretically he's immune now.

                                I'll wait a week for him to recover.
                                Last edited by Double Edge; 07 Oct 20,, 23:13.

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