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  • GVChamp
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    Unfortunately they just think Fox News is in on the con and have decided Newsmax is where it's at (????)

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  • TopHatter
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    Fox Host Asks Trump Aide Why Lawsuits Failed: 'Do You Have The Worst Legal Team?'

    Fox News host Brian Kilmeade confronted White House adviser Stephen Miller on Monday about Donald Trump’s mountain of failed lawsuits to overturn election results, asking how the president’s legal team lost so many cases if there was so much fraud.

    “Stephen, so if there were underage people voting, if there were criminals voting, if there was illegal ballots cast, your legal team, in almost every state, 50 times, lost ― some with Trump judges. So, do you have the worst legal team, who just don’t seem to be presenting a good case?” Kilmeade asked on “Fox & Friends.”

    “Or are you just too late, and this case should have been brought before the election?”

    Miller responded to Kilmeade’s question by blaming the “corrupt corporate media,” which he claimed placed pressure on the courts.

    “Judges are caving. Yes, politicians are caving. We need heroes to step up and do the right thing,” he charged.

    In fact, Republican judges and officials have faced huge backlash from Trump and his supporters for standing by the reality of the election results. Several have reported receiving violent threats as a result of doing their jobs.

    Miller appeared on the conservative network Monday morning to push baseless claims the election was stolen from his boss, even after more than four dozen lawsuits attempting to prove that have failed. Two of those cases were tossed out by the Supreme Court. His appearance took place just hours before President-elect Joe Biden formally secured enough Electoral College votes to become president.

    Kilmeade, typically an ally to the president, had pushed back against Trump’s voter fraud claims over the weekend during an interview on the Fox News morning program, telling him, “Your guys have been unable to prove it as of now.”
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    When even Fox News thinks you suck ass and says so to your face on live television, it's probably time to call it a day.

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  • TopHatter
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    ‘One of the worst attorneys general in American history’: Criticism of Bill Barr pours in as he resigns

    The criticism has been pouring in from all sides for Attorney General William Barr after Donald Trump announced he would be stepping down from the Justice Department before Christmas.

    Mr Barr has long been a lightning rod of anger and frustration from Democrats for his handling of the Mueller report, his heavy-handed response to racial justice protests this past summer, and his attempts to investigate FBI and DOJ officials who led probes into Mr Trump’s 2016 campaign.

    Recently, the attorney general has become something of a pariah on the right for defying Mr Trump’s claims of election fraud.

    Virginia Democratic Congressman Don Beyer summed up his party’s position on the outgoing attorney general with a tweet shortly after the president announced his imminent departure.

    “I don't know whether Bill Barr is actually resigning or being fired, but either way he will go down in history as one of the worst Attorneys General in American history,” Mr Beyer said.

    And Connecticut Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal embodied Democrats’ feelings of animus to Mr Barr.

    “There should be no sympathy or regret for an Attorney General who trashed the rule of law, caused untold suffering, & enabled a morally depraved president. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out,” Mr Blumenthal tweeted.

    Mr Trump wished the attorney general well and said he would be replaced in an acting capacity by Deputy Attorney General Jeff Rosen.
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    Poor stupid bastard wasn't even allowed to make it to Inauguration Day

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  • TopHatter
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    Trump is looking past today's Electoral College vote to Jan. 6
    From CNN's Jim Acosta

    President Trump is already looking past today's electoral college vote as he sees one final avenue to block Joe Biden from becoming the next president — the official tallying of votes in the House of Representatives on Jan. 6, a White House adviser said.

    The adviser described the option as yet another "long shot," much like the Trump team legal challenges that went nowhere.

    The reality is the prospect of upending the election results in the House is more than just a "long shot" as Democrats will refuse to go along with any GOP members seeking to overturn Biden's victory.

    House members can challenge the results on Jan. 6, when Vice President Mike Pence is scheduled to preside over the official tallying of the electoral votes. But those members would need a Republican senator to sign on to the effort.

    Even if the GOP effort makes it that far, the Democratic controlled House would vote down such a maneuver.

    White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany declined to answer whether Trump would accept today's electoral college results. She told reporters that she could not stop to take questions as it was raining at the time.

    She was holding an umbrella.
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    The bullshit just never ends with this clown....









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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by DOR View Post
    50 states officially declare Joe Biden the Trumpbuster
    I don't think they're quite done yet. CNN's tracker was last updated at 3:47PM EST and it's still 229-181...without any faithless electors so far, incidentally.

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  • DOR
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    50 states officially declare Joe Biden the Trumpbuster

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Originally posted by JRT View Post


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    Yeah, the DNC effed up MAJORLY in Iowa.

    What saved their bacon was SC Democrats having their shit stacked tight in a waterproof bag.

    Time for a DNC Chair change.

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  • GVChamp
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    Originally posted by JRT View Post

    The Republican signatories of the letter were exercising their individual rights in supporting lawful due process, not sedition. Their case lacked merit and SCOTUS refused it.

    Pascrell is playing some political showmanship that will get some attention, but won't gain any real traction. (edit: My intended meaning is that Democrats won't act on Pascrell's suggestion, won't block elected Republican Congressmen from taking their seats in the House.)

    Joe Biden will officially win the election on 06 January 2021 when the electoral votes are counted and official determination is made. Biden will be sworn in to the office of POTUS in the early afternoon of 20 January 2021.

    The process is on track and on schedule, and there has been no real constitutional crisis in any of it.
    Pretty much, no substantial crisis as of yet. Bad rhetoric, corrosive in its own fashion, but nothing imperiling the republic in any way.

    We will see what happens in future cycles, because there will be close elections in the future. Until then, a whole lot of speculation about long-term impacts.

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  • TopHatter
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    Fox News Poll: Majority Says Trump Is Weakening America

    A new Fox News poll finds 52% of American voters said that they believe President Trump is weakening American democracy as he presses forward with lawsuits challenging the election results.


    CBS News Poll: Most Americans Say Election Is Settled

    With the Electoral College poised to elect Joe Biden on Monday, a sizable 62% majority of the nation's voters feel the election is "over and settled" and it's "time to move on." Large majorities feel their own votes were counted correctly, and a majority acknowledge Mr. Biden as the "legitimate winner."

    But the president's backers feel very differently: 82% of Trump voters say they do not consider Mr. Biden legitimate and — perhaps most notably for the coming transition month — almost half of President Trump's voters say Mr. Trump should refuse to concede after that Electoral College vote happens, and instead do all he can to stay in power.

    As a rationale, the Trump voters who do not see Mr. Biden as legitimate widely accept Mr. Trump's premise for overturning the election results, and — even as states have certified results and courts have ruled against challenges — echo the president's assertions of fraud.

    And before the Electoral College votes head to Congress to be read, we find similar sentiments and splits regarding what the president's party should do now: two thirds of voters say congressional Republicans should acknowledge Mr. Biden and move on to other legislative matters, but most Trump voters instead say congressional Republicans should do all they can to help Mr. Trump stay in power.
    What happened in the election?


    Most voters nationwide also say that their own vote and the votes in their state were recorded and counted correctly. This includes most Democrats, Republicans and independents alike. So, much of the doubt among Trump voters appears to stem from a belief about things that they feel happened with other peoples' ballots, including in other states.

    As we have seen on many topics throughout his presidency, the president's messaging here is picked up by his supporters. Among those who see Mr. Biden as not legitimate, an overwhelming 93% of them (most of whom are Republicans and Trump voters) echo the president's rhetoric, saying that "millions of ballots were cast illegally." Similarly large percentages of those who don't see Mr. Biden as legitimate say that voting equipment, software and/or ballots were "manipulated," and that overall, "Donald Trump got more votes" but it "was not reported."

    Also differing from the view of most voters, the president's backers believe the mainstream media did not report the results of the election accurately.

    Views expressed by Trump voters appear to be more than just the result of disappointment at the outcome. When we offered people a chance to explain why they would not view Mr. Biden as legitimate and offered the option that they were simply not ready to do so at the moment, few took it, saying instead it was because there was "fraud or inaccuracies," in their view. Trump voters also largely reject the idea that the president is himself making these claims simply because he's upset by his loss, with 85% saying he has "hard evidence of widespread vote fraud."

    The skeptical view of the election results among Trump voters does not extend down ballot, however, as nearly all of them (98%) believe Republicans who won gains in the House and won contested Senate races did so legitimately.

    And in yet another sign of how difficult it may be to bring Americans together, most Trump voters reject the idea of finding common ground with Mr. Biden and his supporters, while most Biden voters say now is time to find common ground with Trump supporters.

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  • TopHatter
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    Karl Rove Rips Trump: ‘Americans Don’t Like Sore Losers’

    Karl Rove had some advice for the man who consistently claims to “not like losers” – Americans do not like sore losers and Trump “is on the edge of looking like a sore loser.”

    After Fox News’ Chris Wallace asked the former deputy chief of staff to George W. Bush if he expects the outgoing president to continue to contest the election past Monday when the Electoral College formally casts their ballots for president and vice president, Rove used the opportunity to speak to Trump’s endgame, and offered some unsolicited advice.

    “If his goal is to lay the predicate to come back in 2024 and run again, he’s helping himself at least gain the nomination.” Rove said, “But I think in the long run, he’s not helping himself or the country. America likes comebacks, but they don’t like sore losers. And he is on the edge of looking like a sore loser and probably will look like it after January 6th.”

    On January 6th the electors’ ballots will be counted by Congress and President-elect Biden will be inaugurated as the 46th President on January 20.

    Rove wasn’t the only Republican (not in office) to lay into Trump on Sunday morning. Chris Christie panned the president’s legal arguments as “an absurdity” and asked Trump to “show us the evidence” that the election should be overturned.

    “Well, listen, the legal theory put forward by [Trump’s] legal team and by the president is an absurdity,” the former governor continued, “And the reason why the Supreme Court didn’t take [the Texas lawsuit] is because it’s an absurd idea to think that any state or any number of states, no matter how good they are, can challenge another state’s right to run the election as they see fit. And also, there’s no evidence, as I’ve been saying, since election night. Show us the evidence.”

    Christie also shined a light on Trump’s hypocrisy by giving examples of how easily the president has turned on Republican governors he once praised but is now trashing because they won’t go along with his election fraud scheme.

    “And what’s gotten even worse, though, Martha, I think is the attacks by the president on good, hardworking, decent Republican governors. And you’ve seen his attitude towards these folks change,” Christie said.

    Christie went on to say that Trump is lying about the governors that the president now refers to as RINOs (Republican in name only).

    Republicans speaking out against Trump’s war on democracy is all fine and good but most sitting Republicans refuse to grow a spine. Instead, as Rove mentioned, most see Trump as the party’s leader and have thrown their full support behind his campaign of lies. Just this week, before the Supreme Court’s decision not to hear the Texas suit, over 100 House Republicans, more than half the caucus, signed onto the amicus brief asking courts to invalidate millions of votes from four swing states won by President-elect Joe Biden.
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    Um, I think Karl Rove better "clarify" that assertion. Because Trump sure as hell is a sore loser and his base absolutely LOVES him for it. The implications of that are kinda...awkward.

    He also makes the absurd claim that Trump wants to help the country in the long run

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  • JRT
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    Originally posted by Politico

    Iowa autopsy report:
    DNC meddling led to caucus debacle


    by Tyler Pager
    12 December 2020

    Democratic National Committee meddling, combined with missteps by the state Democratic Party, were the primary drivers of the chaos that torpedoed the Iowa caucuses earlier this year, according to a new audit commissioned by the state party.

    The report, which was distributed to the Iowa Democratic Party State Central Committee at a meeting Saturday morning and obtained by POLITICO, identified a series of errors made by the DNC, IDP and the technology company contracted by the state party to build a reporting app to collect caucus results.

    The February caucuses were overrun by foul-ups: The state party was unable to report a winner on caucus night, the mobile app to report results failed to work for many precinct chairs, the back-up telephone systems were jammed and some precincts had initial reporting errors. The state party chair, Troy Price, resigned in the wake of the debacle, which put Iowa’s status as the first in the nation nominating contest in serious jeopardy.

    But the report pins the blame squarely on the DNC for the heart of the problem on caucus night — the delay in the reporting of the results. According to the report, the DNC demanded the technology company, Shadow, build a conversion tool just weeks before the caucuses to allow the DNC to have real-time access to the raw numbers because the national party feared the app would miscalculate results. The DNC’s data system used a different database format than Shadow’s reporting app, which caused multiple problems.

    The DNC refused to participate in interviews by the lawyers who conducted the audit.

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  • DOR
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    We apologize for endorsing U.S. Rep. Michael Waltz, who wants to overturn the election

    We apologize to our readers for endorsing Michael Waltz in the 2020 general election for Congress.
    We had no idea, had no way of knowing at the time, that Waltz was not committed to democracy.
    During our endorsement interview with the incumbent congressman, we didn’t think to ask, “Would you support an effort to throw out the votes of tens of millions of Americans in four states in order to overturn a presidential election and hand it to the person who lost, Donald Trump?”

    Our bad.

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opin...oku-story.html


    I wonder how many other newspapers will publish similar apologies.
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  • JRT
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    Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
    If the Trumplicans thought they were the only ones with access to dirty tricks, it seems Democrats are nearing the end of their patience.

    Democrat asks Pelosi to refuse to seat lawmakers supporting Trump's election challenges
    The Republican signatories of the letter were exercising their individual rights in supporting lawful due process, not sedition. Their case lacked merit and SCOTUS refused it.

    Pascrell is playing some political showmanship that will get some attention, but won't gain any real traction. (edit: My intended meaning is that Democrats won't act on Pascrell's suggestion, won't block elected Republican Congressmen from taking their seats in the House.)

    Joe Biden will officially win the election on 06 January 2021 when the electoral votes are counted and official determination is made. Biden will be sworn in to the office of POTUS in the early afternoon of 20 January 2021.

    The process is on track and on schedule, and there has been no real constitutional crisis in any of it.
    Last edited by JRT; 12 Dec 20,, 22:32.

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  • Bigfella
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    Of course, this won't stop Trumpers spending the next 4-8 years claiming widespread voter fraud. A previous incarnation of the cult didn't need facts to claim Obama was not a legitimate President, so facts aren't going to get in the way now.

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  • TopHatter
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    Supreme Court denies effort to block election results in 4 key states that sealed Trump's fate

    WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court refused Friday to let Texas challenge the election results in four battleground states critical to President Donald Trump's defeat at the polls last month, likely sealing his political fate.

    "Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections," the court said in a brief order. It dismissed all other related claims as moot.

    The justices' action clears the way for electors to convene in 50 states and the District of Columbia Monday and all but confirm that President-elect Joe Biden will be the nation's 46th president.

    Texas had made, and Trump had endorsed, an 11th-hour effort to have the nation's highest court block Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin from casting their electoral votes for Biden Monday. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton claimed the four states used the coronavirus pandemic as a pretext to change election rules and greatly expand mail voting in violation of the Constitution.

    Within days, the last-ditch challenge had erupted into a war involving nearly every state in the nation. The four battleground states fired back, with Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro labeling the effort to negate millions of citizens' ballots a "seditious abuse of the judicial process."

    "Texas seeks to invalidate elections in four states for yielding results with which it disagrees," Shapiro told the justices in legal papers. "Its request for this court to exercise its original jurisdiction and then anoint Texas’s preferred candidate for president is legally indefensible and is an affront to principles of constitutional democracy."

    The effort was a long shot for several reasons. States run their own elections, making it a violation of sovereignty for Texas to interfere with other states' procedures. Federal law defers to states in choosing electors, and Congress ultimately counts the votes.

    What's more, voters in the challenged states followed the rules in voting, including by mail, and would have been disenfranchised under Texas' challenge. Lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign and allies across the country have not identified verifiable instances of fraud.

    And while disputes between states can go directly to the Supreme Court without first being heard by lower courts, the justices retain discretion to deny such requests. For instance, the court refused in 2016 to hear a dispute between Colorado and two neighboring states over the cross-border impact of marijuana legalization.

    Associate Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas said Friday they would have granted Texas' request to make its case, but "would not grant other relief.

    The action was the second time in recent days that the court had turned away efforts to forestall Trump's defeat. On Tuesday, the justices denied an effort by Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., and others to block the election results in Pennsylvania. Those challengers had claimed that the state legislature's 2019 expansion of mail-in voting was illegal.

    Texas had contended that changes in voting procedures made by state officials in the four battleground states abrogated laws passed earlier by their legislatures, which it said have the sole constitutional authority to run elections.

    "Defendant states flooded their citizenry with tens of millions of ballot applications and ballots, ignoring statutory controls as to how they were received, evaluated, and counted," Paxton wrote in igniting the firestorm Monday night. "Whether well-intentioned or not, these unconstitutional and unlawful changes had the same uniform effect – they made the 2020 election less secure."

    Trump's request to intervene in the challenge endorsed widely disputed statistics intended to show that Biden's victory in the election was almost an impossibility. Among other things, he incorrectly said no presidential candidate ever lost election after winning Florida and Ohio, as Trump did. Richard Nixon endured the same fate in 1960.

    "These things just don’t normally happen, and a large percentage of the American people know that something is deeply amiss," his lawyers said in court papers.

    All four of the challenged states told the justices Thursday that Texas' request should be slapped down.

    Georgia said the justices should not "transfer Georgia’s electoral powers to the federal judiciary." Michigan said Texas "does not have a cognizable interest in how Michigan runs its elections." And Wisconsin said "the harm and public interest factors strongly weigh in favor of denying the extraordinary relief Texas seeks – stripping millions of voters of the choice they made."
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    Aaaand guess what happens on Monday?

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