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  • 1. Universal Healthcare is not a plank in the 2020 Democratic Party Platform. Joe Biden wants to expand the ACA but not replace it with UH.

    2. The Democrats are not Socialists...anymore than the GOP is Fascists.

    These are not mainstream Democratic Party values. progressive, yes. Socialist, no. And there is a difference. And of it were the mainstream Joe Biden would not be our candidate.
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
      1. Universal Healthcare is not a plank in the 2020 Democratic Party Platform. Joe Biden wants to expand the ACA but not replace it with UH.

      2. The Democrats are not Socialists...anymore than the GOP is Fascists.

      These are not mainstream Democratic Party values. progressive, yes. Socialist, no. And there is a difference. And of it were the mainstream Joe Biden would not be our candidate.
      Ok, that describes the Democrats and the GOP. Now how do you describe Trumpism which is a political movement centered of the cult of one leader who cares only about his base of support and no one else.

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      • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

        Ok, that describes the Democrats and the GOP. Now how do you describe Trumpism which is a political movement centered of the cult of one leader who cares only about his base of support and no one else.
        Lunacy, an infantile disorder of the Right.
        Trust me?
        I'm an economist!

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        • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
          1. Universal Healthcare is not a plank in the 2020 Democratic Party Platform. Joe Biden wants to expand the ACA but not replace it with UH.

          2. The Democrats are not Socialists...anymore than the GOP is Fascists.

          These are not mainstream Democratic Party values. progressive, yes. Socialist, no. And there is a difference. And of it were the mainstream Joe Biden would not be our candidate.
          I remember when Bernie Sanders was first elected Senator he was considered something of a novelty, although this year he came pretty close to being a viable candidate for the Presidential nominee. There are Democrats, even prominent politicians like AOC who openly wear the label of 'Democratic Socialist'. Additionally the Woke wing of the part is louder, more intolerant when it comes to opposing viewpoints and better when it comes to silencing voices through intimidation on social media. Even senior leaders were slow to criticize the violence and riots over the summer.

          However, I agree that the far left of the Democrats does not dominate the party, especially the legislative agenda the way the right wing of the Republican party does under Trump. I wouldn't agree with pointing to the radicalism of some on the left to justify voting for Trump as a lesser evil.

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          • Jim Rogers says President Trump will win a second term. If I had a vote, considering the current geo-political scenarios, it would go to President Trump as China will feel the heat much stronger this time around. Having said that, considering his erratic deal-making strategy with just about any country, my confidence wanes.
            Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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            • Originally posted by InExile View Post

              I remember when Bernie Sanders was first elected Senator he was considered something of a novelty, although this year he came pretty close to being a viable candidate for the Presidential nominee. There are Democrats, even prominent politicians like AOC who openly wear the label of 'Democratic Socialist'. Additionally the Woke wing of the part is louder, more intolerant when it comes to opposing viewpoints and better when it comes to silencing voices through intimidation on social media. Even senior leaders were slow to criticize the violence and riots over the summer.

              However, I agree that the far left of the Democrats does not dominate the party, especially the legislative agenda the way the right wing of the Republican party does under Trump. I wouldn't agree with pointing to the radicalism of some on the left to justify voting for Trump as a lesser evil.
              Bernie is from Vermont. The rest of us New Englanders always kind of considered it th ePoeple's Republic of Vermont. Vermont has been contrarian going back to the War of 1812. plus Bernie ONLY became a member of the Party in 2016 when he ran for President. He NEVER raised money/campaigned for his peers and that was remembered. To say the DNC had the "fix in" for HRC over Bernie is like saying the Americans considered the British to be better allies than the the Italians in 1944.

              But in your statement you are missing something...the mainstream of the Democratic Party stared down the left of the Party and got them to back off quite a bit. Because the heart of the Democratic Party is Union and Black...more conservative than than the left.

              When the GOP goes against the right wing of their party they get primaried and therefore drift hard right themselves.
              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
              Mark Twain

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              • GOP Sen. Marsha Blackburn reveals she doesn’t know what an "Amendment" is — on Constitution Day

                It's Constitution Day in America, which is generally the day in which politicians try to prove their immense knowledge and appreciation for the U.S. founding documents. Occasionally some of them misquote it, instead citing the Declaration of Independence, but Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) took another route.

                "We will never rewrite the Constitution of the United States," she proclaimed proudly on Twitter.

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                It was 1992 the last time the Constitution was rewritten, when Blackburn was serving as the chair of the Williamson County Republican Party. She also lost her first campaign for Congress that year.

                As one reporter pointed out, Blackburn is currently sponsoring three Constitutional Amendments to rewrite the document

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                And the hits just keep on coming.
                Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                  So, where did you read that “discharged” means zero effects?
                  ”Discharged” means “better off at home,” or perhaps, “we need the bed for someone else.”
                  Here is a story I was told about, by a photography blogger who I know, concerning someone he worked with. Roughly around the late 40s or early 50s and never went into the hospital but is still dealing with all the after effects of the virus that we never hear about but which I know exists. As she says the numbers are in the thousands.

                  Long Haulers
                  https://indymaven.com/articles/coron...ring-symptoms/

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                  • Trump: 'We're Counting' On Federal Courts To Declare Election Night Winner

                    President Donald Trump said he is “counting on the federal court system” to ensure that the winner of the November presidential election is called just hours after the polls close, despite current rules across the country allowing ballots to be counted several days to weeks after the election.

                    “Now we’re counting on the federal court system to make it so that we can actually have an evening where we know who wins. Not where the votes are going to be counted a week later or two weeks later,” he said at a rally in North Carolina Saturday.

                    On the topic of the judicial system, Trump also shared his plans to nominate a new Supreme Court associate justice “next week” to fill Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s seat following her death on Friday.

                    There are fewer than 45 days until the Nov. 3 election, and it has taken about 68 days historically for a Supreme Court nominee to win confirmation in a vote on the Senate floor.

                    Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.) called out Trump’s comments on Twitter, arguing that the president wants to “use the federal courts to cheat in November by denying Americans’ lawfully cast mail-in ballots.”

                    “This is an open admission that Trump hopes to use the Supreme Court to steal the election,” he added.

                    Trump’s comments came after several states extended the deadline to count mailed absentee ballots so long as they are postmarked either on or before Nov. 3.

                    A Michigan state judge ruled Friday that absentee ballots postmarked before Election Day can be counted up to 14 days after the election.

                    Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court similarly ruled Thursday that mailed ballots postmarked by 8 p.m. Election Day can be counted up to three days after the election.

                    California has one of the longest windows for ballot counting. Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom in June signed a law to allow ballots postmarked by Election Day to be counted up to 17 days after the election. The extension was enacted after a record 72% of California voters cast a ballot by mail in the state’s March primary, according to state data.

                    Many of the state extensions apply only to the 2020 election. Legislators acted out of concern that changes at the U.S. Postal Service could affect delivery times. They also expected that more people will vote by mail this year because they worry about the safety of in-person voting during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, and that could overwhelm the Postal Service.

                    Trump has long claimed, without supporting evidence, that mail-in voting will lead to widespread voter fraud.

                    The Trump campaign filed lawsuits against vote-by-mail deadline changes in Pennsylvania, Nevada, New Jersey and Montana.

                    The campaign also recently filed a motion against members of the Navajo Nation in Arizona after they sued the state to extend the state’s mail-in-ballot deadline. A federal judge last week rejected the Trump campaign’s request to join Arizona in its arguments against the tribal members’ lawsuit.
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                    Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                    • Some judges apparently have an issue with the term Election Day...

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                      • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                        Some judges apparently have an issue with the term Election Day...
                        That's pretty rich considering your orange god has been fucking over the US Post Office left and right with the sole and obvious intention of fucking over the election.

                        Some people apparently have an issue with a pandemic affecting more than just supplies of toilet paper.
                        Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                        • The pandemic and Amazon has been increasing the workload in numbers of parcels being handled by the USPS.

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                          • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                            The pandemic and Amazon has been increasing the workload in numbers of parcels being handled by the USPS.
                            Riiiight. So Louis DeJoy's sabotaging of the USPS is....no big deal. Gimme a fuckin' break dude. I'm not one of your fellow Kool-Aid drinkers. Sell that shit somewhere else.
                            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                            • In the words of the famous Jacksonville DJ, ‘the Greaseman,’ “Do not call me Dude.”
                              Last edited by surfgun; 21 Sep 20,, 20:11.

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                              • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                                In the words of the famous Jacksonville DJ, ‘the Greaseman,’ “Do not call me Dude.”
                                Wouldn't know who that is, I'm a somewhat recent transplant and I haven't listened to the radio in decades.
                                Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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