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  • BTW, this principle is also a good indication of how -bad- the leadership is in the US.

    IE Mattis, Kelly et al are all very very familiar with the principles of civilian control of the military, the importance of good civil-military relations, professionalism within the force...

    yet Mattis said Trump made a mockery of the Constitution and Kelly called his former boss an idiot, knowing full well the costs of actually saying this out loud.

    under any even close to normal administration, you wouldn't have heard ANYTHING from them.

    the military -hated- Bill Clinton yet civil-military relations weren't half as bad as they are now.
    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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    • ^^^^
      So much this

      Clinton presided over the downsizing of the military after the 1980s Reagan porkfest/Bush Desert Storm fame. Everyone loved the military....just look at the movies and TV shows of the 1980s.

      Then the reality of a post-Cold War world hit. It made no sense to keep pace where we had been. So Clinton was the bad guy.

      Also the Army Big 5 of the 1980s got they're big money start under Carter but that is overlooked. His RMA pushed many of the high technology weapons used in the 1980s onward. The reason Carter cancelled the B-1 was he had such faith in cruise missiles and stealth....which he went all in on.
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
      Mark Twain

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      • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
        Clinton presided over the downsizing of the military after the 1980s Reagan porkfest/Bush Desert Storm fame. Everyone loved the military....just look at the movies and TV shows of the 1980s.

        Then the reality of a post-Cold War world hit. It made no sense to keep pace where we had been. So Clinton was the bad guy.
        Funny how everyone loved the military...but now a draft-dodging rich guy like Donald Trump can shit all over the military, repeatedly, from top to bottom, with impunity...and his base barely even shrugs. He's still the Second Coming of the Christ to them.

        That's what scares me more than anything.
        Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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        • Peacekeeper Trump keeps spreading the Peace.
          https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54124996

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          • joe,

            Funny how everyone loved the military...but now a draft-dodging rich guy like Donald Trump can shit all over the military, repeatedly, from top to bottom, with impunity...and his base barely even shrugs. He's still the Second Coming of the Christ to them.

            That's what scares me more than anything.
            yeah, I remember when Code Pink did their stupid "General Betray-us" stuff and the right went apoplectic about how the left hates America; now, it's open season on the military brass if the cult leader says so.

            not "barely even shrugs", they go all in on the crapping.

            but that's part of being a cult.

            what really scares me is how Trump has gotten better at manipulating the various powers of the Presidency. the use of ICE/CBP tactical teams, Federal Bureau of Prison riot squads and the DC National Guard helicopters (including one with a Red Cross) on protesters, that's straight up Brownshirt stuff.

            when this nightmare is over, I want to see prosecutions of EVERYONE involved, from the people who ordered it, to the people carrying it out. "I was just following orders" is no protection.
            Last edited by astralis; 11 Sep 20,, 19:15.
            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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            • Originally posted by astralis View Post

              when this nightmare is over, I want to see prosecutions of EVERYONE involved, from the people who ordered it, to the people carrying it out. "I was just following orders" is no protection.
              That was exactly the defense given by those police officers who shoved that elderly man back, knocking his head on the pavement. "We were under orders...."
              Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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              • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                Peacekeeper Trump keeps spreading the Peace.
                https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54124996
                I guess some are tired of winning?


                PS the real brown shirts are the individuals payed for by either on Bloomberg or Soros flying and riding buses and even housed in hotels between the Nations hotspots causing “civil” unrest destroying property, setting fires and hospitalized. Many of the local jurisdictions are not following through with prosecutions as they local prosecutors had their campaigns financed by the likes of the two already mentioned.
                Last edited by surfgun; 11 Sep 20,, 20:14.

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                • lol Bloomberg and Soros.

                  do you also believe Gates is microchipping everyone with a COVID vaccine?

                  have you raided a pizza parlor yet to save the children?
                  There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                  • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                    lol Bloomberg and Soros.

                    do you also believe Gates is microchipping everyone with a COVID vaccine?

                    have you raided a pizza parlor yet to save the children?
                    Big negative. Those characters have been purchasing influence for decades. Read up! Follow the money!

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                    • Originally posted by surfgun View Post

                      Big negative. Those characters have been purchasing influence for decades. Read up! Follow the money!
                      Read up...where, exactly? Do you have a list of Kremlin-backed disinformation websites you can recommend?

                      (I mean, besides the ones you've already linked to in the past)
                      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                      • Do your own research Tops as any source you will find fault with.
                        Martin O’Malley in 2013, a Bloomberg supported politician and the delegations of the DC and Baltimore Metro areas pushed through a huge anti gun agenda in Maryland.
                        In 2019, the Governor also known as Coon Man along with the delegations from NoVa, Richmond and the Tidewater area of Virginia pushed through a huge anti gun agenda.
                        These and other efforts in other states were financed by Michael Bloomberg.
                        George Soros is famous for his financing of global insecurity and lefty causes by buying politicians that also personally enriches himself by manipulating currencies.
                        Last edited by surfgun; 11 Sep 20,, 21:32.

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                        • Either he is really cheap or so far infirm that he can only carry a six pack as a gift to an entire fire house?!
                          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...ep-my-promises

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                          • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                            Do your own research Tops as any source you will find fault with.
                            Martin O’Malley in 2013, a Bloomberg supported politician and the delegations of the DC and Baltimore Metro areas pushed through a huge anti gun agenda in Maryland.
                            In 2019, the Governor also known as Coon Man along with the delegations from NoVa, Richmond and the Tidewater area of Virginia pushed through a huge anti gun agenda.
                            These and other efforts in other states were financed by Michael Bloomberg.
                            George Soros is famous for his financing of global insecurity and lefty causes by buying politicians that also personally enriches himself by manipulating currencies.
                            Ehhh...no. This is the WAB. We've never tolerated that kind of conspiracy theory bullshit in the past and we're not about to start now just because the President cultivates and spreads it.

                            You can post that nonsense and the inevitable "Do your own research" cop-out elsewhere. Not here.
                            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                            • QAnon fans spread fake claims about real fires in Oregon

                              New York (CNN Business)Authorities in Oregon are pleading with the public to only trust and share information verified by official sources about the unprecedented wildfires sweeping the state. The pleas come as law enforcement agencies described 911 dispatchers being overrun with calls about a false online rumor that "Antifa" members had been arrested for setting the fires — a claim promoted by the anonymous account behind the QAnon conspiracy theories.

                              The incident highlights how online conspiracy theories, a sustained right-wing campaign to create increased fear of anti-fascist groups, and amplification of false claims by QAnon followers, have real consequences.

                              On Friday, the FBI responded, saying, "reports that extremists are setting wildfires in Oregon are untrue."
                              "Rumors spread just like wildfire," the Douglas County Sheriff's Office warned in a Facebook post Thursday, adding that staff had been "overrun with requests for information and inquiries on an UNTRUE rumor that 6 Antifa members have been arrested for setting fires" in the area.

                              That specific claim had been amplified by "Q" — the anonymous person or people behind QAnon — only 12 hours earlier.
                              Early Thursday morning, "Q" posted a link to a tweet from Paul Joseph Romero Jr., a former US Senate candidate who lost his Republican primary in May, that falsely claimed the Douglas County Sheriff's Office had six Antifa "arsonists" in custody.

                              CNN has reached out to Romero for comment.

                              The post by "Q" was published on 8Kun, a successor to the messaging board 8chan, where users often posted hateful content. In 2019, 8chan was linked to at least three atrocities, including a shooting in El Paso, Texas that left 23 people dead.

                              In the post that included Romero's tweet, "Q" suggested the fires were linked to "highly coordinated ... domestic terrorism." President Donald Trump threatened earlier this year to label Antifa a terrorist organization, a move that experts say is unconstitutional.

                              The wildfires sweeping the state have burned around 900,000 acres since they were first sparked amid fierce winds this week, forcing the evacuation of half a million people, Oregon officials said Thursday. At least five 4 people have died in the fires.

                              An anonymous post to an obscure online site wouldn't normally merit much attention, but QAnon followers are fervent and persistent, and the FBI has labeled them a potential domestic terrorist threat.
                              QAnon's followers believe there is a "deep state" within the US government that is controlled by a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles. According to the baseless conspiracy theory, the cabal is largely run by Democratic politicians and liberal celebrities -- and Trump is trying to take them down.

                              The Jackson County Sheriff's Office in Oregon also took to Facebook on Thursday asking people not to spread false information.
                              "We are inundated with questions about things that are FAKE stories. One example is a story circulating that varies about what group is involved as to setting fires and arrests being made," they wrote, adding, "THIS IS NOT TRUE!"

                              On Friday, the FBI's Portland field office tweeted, "With our state and local partners, the FBI has investigated several such reports [of extremists setting wildfires] and found them untrue."
                              "Conspiracy theory and misinformation take valuable resources away from local fire and police agencies working around the clock to bring these fires under control," it added.
                              And police in the city of Medford said screenshots of what purported to be a Facebook post from the police department's account were fake. In the screenshot, a post showed a man's picture and claimed five people were arrested in connection with arson.

                              "We did not arrest this person for arson, nor anyone affiliated with Antifa or 'Proud Boys' as we've heard throughout the day. Also, no confirmed gatherings of Antifa which has also been reported," police wrote.
                              Medford police told CNN it requested the fake posts be removed from other Facebook accounts and posted a notice on its own page about the bogus claims, but "we are still getting calls, from local and out of the area, asking if it's true."

                              Proud Boys is a far-right group.In the anonymous online posting, "Q" also shared a link to a post from a Washington State trooper who said a 36-year-old male had been arrested for setting a fire. Authorities in Washington, however, gave no indication that the alleged arson was politically motivated. CNN has reached out for comment.

                              Craig Roberts, Clackamas County Sheriff, was asked about the possibility of arson in Oregon. He said, "At this point in time we don't have any evidence of that [arson] but the origin of those things will be part of an investigation as things move forward. So, as you can imagine a fire to this magnitude, there'll be an in-depth investigation looking at all the possibilities and anything that might come forward, regarding that. But at this particular point in time nothing conclusive that would direct us to that any of that." Link
                              ___________

                              Speaking of conspiracy theory bullshit....

                              Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                              • Chew on this Tops.
                                https://www.baltimoresun.com/politic...121-story.html

                                https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/mike...-virginia.html
                                5 seconds you lazy somebody.

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