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  • TopHatter
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    ‘People are angry!’: Trump turns on Mitch McConnell after key ally finally endorses Biden

    An angry Donald Trump has turned on his once-close ally Mitch McConnell after the top Senate Republican finally acknowledged president-elect Joe Biden's election victory.

    In an early-morning tweet, Mr Trump shared a news article that featured comments by his supporters criticising the Kentucky lawmaker, who on Tuesday night said the "electoral college has spoken" as it recognised Mr Biden's win.

    One of the comments in the piece, re-tweeted by the outgoing president, 74, questions Alabama-born Mr McConnell's allegiance to the United States of America.

    "Mitch McConnell, @senatemajldr is NOT a Patriot," reads one of the comments. "Ask his wife. She knows," it adds, before going on to claim that the 78-year-old lawmaker is "willing to sell America to get what he wants".

    Mr McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, is a 67-year-old American politician who serves as US transportation secretary. She was born in Taipei, Taiwan and immigrated to America as a young girl.


    The president in his post, which as of Wednesday morning had been shared 17,000 times and liked by over 60,000 Twitter accounts, told Mr McConnell it is "too soon to give up" on the election.

    Mr Trump continues to insist, without evidence, that he won the 3 November poll, despite losing the EC and popular vote to Mr Biden, who secured some 80 million ballots in a record year for turnout.

    He and his legal team allege that widespread voter fraud took place at the election, but have yet to present any evidence. Team Trump has suffered a raft of legal defeats - including in the Supreme Court - aimed at overturning the results in key battleground states.

    Some Trump insiders had previously suggested the EC vote on 14 December could mark the beginning of the end of the president's desperate bid to hang onto power.

    And the vote appears to have marked a shift in the Republican Party's willingness to continue humouring the defeated incumbent and his false claims that the election was "stolen".

    Some congressional Republicans, who had for weeks refused to acknowledge Mr Biden as president, are now publicly recognising his win.

    Mr McConnell joined his No 2 in the Senate, John Thune, in congratulating Mr Biden on his win. “It’s time for everybody to move on," the South Dakota lawmaker said.

    Despite apparently dwindling support among the GOP's top brass, Mr Trump still commands the support of a substantial number of House Representatives and some senators who benefited from Trump votes at the elections.

    Nearly two-thirds of House Republicans backed a Trump lawsuit filed in Texas earlier asking officials there not to recognise Mr Biden's wins in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Wisconsin.

    Although the Supreme Court last week threw out the case, the 120 lawmakers that supported it underlines the president's continuing influence over the party.

    Mr Trump, who some have suggested could act as a "shadow president" throughout the next four years, secured the votes of almost half the US electorate at the election.

    And the president has in recent weeks repeatedly reminded GOP lawmakers who have spoken out against him about that increased vote share.

    "Mitch, 75,000,000 VOTES, a record for a sitting President (by a lot)," Mr Trump wrote in the Wednesday morning tweet. "Too soon to give up. Republican Party must finally learn to fight. People are angry!" he added.

    Despite running out of road, team Trump is continuing to insist it will contest the election results.

    As Republicans began discussing a Biden presidency more openly, Mr Trump pledged to press forward with almost nonexistent legal options.

    “Tremendous evidence pouring in on voter fraud. There has never been anything like this in our Country!” Mr Trump tweeted just as members of his party were publicly recognising Mr Biden's victory.

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    Mitch you dumb shit, the monster that you helped create and nurture now wants your head. And apparently that of your wife as well.

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
    But we were still treated to 4 years of wild accusations about Trump being a Russian agent and golden showers etc.
    17 separate US Intelligence agencies ALL concurred that there had been Russian meddling in the 2016 Elections.

    17.

    That is an established fact and not wild accusations.


    This caterwauling you are hearing from the fringe elements here are not grounded in any kind of fact.


    https://www.voanews.com/usa/us-polit...ssian-election

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  • InExile
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    Originally posted by GVChamp View Post

    Pretty much, no substantial crisis as of yet. Bad rhetoric, corrosive in its own fashion, but nothing imperiling the republic in any way.

    We will see what happens in future cycles, because there will be close elections in the future. Until then, a whole lot of speculation about long-term impacts.
    In general Republican politicians have indulged Trump in his fantasies about fraud. Its easy to understand that they are terrified of his base and being primaried in the next election.

    However, almost every Republican official, be it election officials, Governors, heads of state legislatures, conservative judges have defied Trump, sometimes at the price of being viciously attacked by Trump and his supporters. I am wondering, are they not afraid, atleast those in political office, of being primaried in the next election? Judges are usually in lifetime appointments and are insulated to a large extent from politics.

    Or are they perhaps more worried about alienating swing voters for a long time if they blatantly steal an election? Or perhaps its the fear of prosecution if fail to do their legal duties like certifying the electors? Or, dare I say it, maybe they just want to do what's right?

    I am just wondering what might happen in the future if many key Republican office holders are pliant Trumpists and if the election was a lot closer. Would the actions of a few key Republicans, say Governors in key states or Congressmen counting the electoral votes, be able to tip the election to someone like Trump?
    Last edited by InExile; 16 Dec 20,, 07:11.

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
    This is true. But looking from the outside, the Democrats' collective brain aneurysm after the shock of Clinton's loss looked very similar. Difference of course being that Clinton at least conceded the election very quickly and didn't try to steal it unlike the Trumplicans now.
    In shock, yes. Everyone was, starting with Donald Trump himself.

    But there really isn't a valid comparison past that. Not with what's been happening since Election Day, and is continuing to happen.

    Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
    But we were still treated to 4 years of wild accusations about Trump being a Russian agent and golden showers etc.
    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck...

    Donald Trump and his Family have given all manner of evidence of being in the thrall of Russia. Those accusations aren't so wild when he stands next to Vladimir Putin and parrots his claims, while simultaneously dismissing his own intelligence services conclusions. Or when his kid knowingly, gleefully, meets with Russians to get dirt on a political opponent. And especially when he commits multiple acts of obstruction of justice to shut down an investigation into his activities and dealings with Russia.

    Do I think that Donald Trump is card-carrying member of Russian Agents R Us? Nah. But compromised as all hell? F--k yeah.

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  • statquo
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    Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
    This is true. But looking from the outside, the Democrats' collective brain aneurysm after the shock of Clinton's loss looked very similar. Difference of course being that Clinton at least conceded the election very quickly and didn't try to steal it unlike the Trumplicans now.

    But we were still treated to 4 years of wild accusations about Trump being a Russian agent and golden showers etc.
    Isn't that the snowballing narrative though?

    Democrats collectively used wild accusations, impeachment, utter disgust and opposition to Trump from the start, so what's wrong with doing the same to a Biden presidency, without connecting it to the prior wild accusations, infinite opposition, and disrespect to Obama?

    Trump blatantly lies, well all politicians lie; Trump blatantly uses the office for self service, well all politicians are self serving; the news media lies, well they all lie etc. etc. and it goes on and on to give him the pass. This all on the backs of 'draining the swamp'.

    My concern is that if this false narrative that the election was 'stolen', then in 4 years, you'll have Trumplicans at all levels actually try to steal it, or commit fraud, because 'Democrats stole the last one and elections are third world in corruption, why can't we do the same?'

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  • Firestorm
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    Originally posted by DOR View Post
    [SIZE=14px][FONT=Georgia]Some GOPers find it easier to believe the wild conspiracy theories than to believe they don't have sufficient support to win every election. That leads to crazy accusations – by the most nefarious voter suppressors – that the elections must have been rigged.
    This is true. But looking from the outside, the Democrats' collective brain aneurysm after the shock of Clinton's loss looked very similar. Difference of course being that Clinton at least conceded the election very quickly and didn't try to steal it unlike the Trumplicans now.

    But we were still treated to 4 years of wild accusations about Trump being a Russian agent and golden showers etc.

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  • DOR
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    Some GOPers find it easier to believe the wild conspiracy theories than to believe they don't have sufficient support to win every election. That leads to crazy accusations – by the most nefarious voter suppressors – that the elections must have been rigged.

    That, in turn, leads people to even more deeply accept Moscow's efforts to woo Americans into thinking that their leaders lack legitimacy. Which, taken to its illogical conclusion, means that any and all effort to destroy the other guys is better than playing the role of a loyal opposition.


    In short, being anti-democracy, and doing so at the bidding of a foreign power, is easier than admitting you're wrong.

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  • TopHatter
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    Inside the Right-Wing Media Bubble, Where the Myth of a Trump Win Lives On

    President Donald Trump’s media criticism is usually binary — there are “good stories,” favorable to him, and then the other category.

    Most news coverage on Monday fell into that other category. One by one, presidential electors in all 50 states and the District of Columbia formally recognized Joe Biden as the president-elect, the latest and most significant rejection so far of Trump’s desperate attempts to undo the will of the voters.

    But inside the sprawling and self-reinforcing network of websites, podcasts and video news that has fed some of the most reckless and unrealistic claims about the election, the myth of Trump’s political survival endures.

    The lead story on the Gateway Pundit, which researchers have identified as one of the major sources pro-Trump misinformation online, floated the idea of a “BOMBSHELL” ruling in a case on Monday that the site teased as a possible game-changer: “Will a Small County in Northern Michigan Be the Key to Overturning the Nation’s Election Results?”

    On a podcast hosted by Trump’s former White House chief strategist, Steve Bannon, a conservative activist vowed to file a new lawsuit seeking to reverse the electors’ vote — adding to the dozens of suits so far, nearly all of which have been dismissed. “Intimidation and fear is not something that works in a democracy,” said Phill Kline, the director of the conservative Amistad Project, vowing to continue the fight.

    The podcast was one of at least six on the list of Apple’s 100 most popular podcasts that are hosted by someone who has been vocally supportive of Trump’s attack on the nation’s electoral system.

    The world seems to have recognized what the Electoral College affirmed on Monday: Trump will be leaving office whether he wants to accept his fate or not. The Supreme Court refused to second-guess this reality on Friday when it rejected a legally dubious, last-minute maneuver by the state of Texas. Numerous world leaders have accepted it by congratulating Biden. Even Trump’s own administration eventually bowed and agreed to formally begin the transition process.

    Yet six weeks after his defeat, the aggressive campaign by Trump and his media boosters to insist with each new setback that the election is far from settled isn’t letting up.

    Inside this bubble, the president’s allies present virtually impossible outcomes as completely plausible. They raise expectations of victory in unwinnable lawsuits and battles over electors that state legislators are unwilling to have. They bolster the credibility of questionable witnesses and advocates whose most important qualification is an unequivocal conviction that Trump won in November, despite all available evidence.

    And then when they don’t meet the bar they set, they move it.


    This is what the president’s senior adviser, Stephen Miller, demonstrated on Monday when he insisted in an interview on “Fox & Friends" that the Electoral College vote was largely irrelevant because all that truly mattered was Inauguration Day, Jan. 20.

    “So we have more than enough time to right the wrong of this fraudulent election result and certify Donald Trump as the winner,” Miller said, resetting the calendar to another scheme to invalidate the votes of millions of Americans, because the previous one had flopped.

    Some allies of Trump had hoped the Electoral College vote would end with a different outcome: that Republican legislators in six battleground states would name slates of electors favorable to Trump. Late last week, a coalition of leaders affiliated with the Tea Party, conservative political organizations and social conservative groups wrote an open letter urging activists to “begin mobilizing immediately to contact their state legislators, as well as their representatives in the House and Senate, to demand that clean slates of electors be appointed.”

    The upheaval failed to materialize and the electors cast their votes on Monday without incident. The few instances of resistance by Republicans were muted and entirely symbolic.

    All along, Trump-friendly media personalities like Mark Levin, who hosts one of the most popular talk radio shows in the country, have led their audiences to believe that it was possible to pressure state lawmakers to reject Biden’s victory. They have often based their confidence on the wild accusations of people with political motives and diminished credibility.

    Levin, along with Rush Limbaugh and Bannon, was one of the first to give a national platform to the conspiracy theories of the lawyers Lin Wood and Sidney Powell, whose various claims of fraud involve a multinational network of saboteurs and domestic enemies of the president both dead (Hugo Chávez of Venezuela) and alive (“Never Trump” Republican officials).

    In an interview with Levin on Nov. 10, for instance, Wood called for the Biden electors to be replaced in a special session of Georgia’s legislature “so they can elect the electors to vote for Donald Trump.” He then falsely claimed that Trump not only won the state by “a landslide” but also won the national popular vote with 70% support.

    On their own, comments as outlandish as these might not rise to become as widely accepted as they are now among Trump’s base. But the hosts validated them beyond just giving them a platform. They vouched for the professional credibility of the lawyers.

    Speaking to his audience the next day, Limbaugh cited Wood’s remarks and said, “I’m telling you that if you listen to Lin Wood and Sidney Powell, they continue to make it sound like it’s a slam dunk.” Limbaugh offered his assurances that the lawyers would not put their careers on the line if they weren’t serious.

    “They’ve Paul Bunyan-ized them,” said Angelo Carusone, the president of Media Matters, a left-leaning group. “And now they’re invested in maintaining this story.”

    Though Powell’s list of conspirators and crimes committed against the president grew too bizarre even for the Trump campaign — it disavowed her in a statement on Nov. 22 — the pro-Trump media continued to give her a friendly platform.

    On Monday, with Biden’s victory about to be ratified by the electors, the Gateway Pundit posted an item about an interview she had done with The Epoch Times, another major purveyor of pro-Trump misinformation. Powell claimed in passing that “one of our experts” discovered how Dominion voting machines had manufactured tallies that led to “5% higher votes for Biden across the board, everywhere.”

    Powell has also appeared recently on other more mainstream pro-Trump new outlets like Fox Business, where Lou Dobbs interviewed her last week.

    Far-fetched tales of vast, subversive networks of infiltrators have a long history in the Republican Party. Powell’s claims that Cuba, Venezuela and China are behind a plot to install rigged voting machines in the United States have echoes of the anti-communist paranoia that was promoted in the 1960s by the John Birch Society and Phyllis Schlafly, considered by many to be the matriarch of the conservative movement.

    Yochai Benkler, a professor at Harvard Law School who helped write “Network Propaganda,” a study on the right-wing media’s influence on politics, said the difference between the days of the John Birch Society and today was a matter of scale. “What you didn’t get then was the same market exposure,” he said. “You didn’t have tens of millions of voters exposed.”

    And the fringe never, of course, enjoyed the support of the sitting president.

    Now, there is little incentive for right-wing media to provide anything other than validation of Trump’s most outrageous claims. And those who try to correct the record are punished, as Tucker Carlson of Fox News learned when he questioned Powell’s credibility and faced a backlash.

    “We’re in this feedback loop where the media give the audience weapons and tools with which to deny reality,” Benkler said. “And the audience disciplines the media by threatening to go somewhere even wackier if they don’t toe the line.”

    When Trump’s allies filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court last week that legal experts said had a scant chance of success, there was little mention of its flaws in the media most loyal to him. Most talk instead focused on the president’s framing of the lawsuit as “the big one.” Limbaugh noted there was support for the case among 18 Republican attorneys general and others in the House of Representatives. Then he asked about those still sitting on the sidelines.

    “Where are the other Republicans?” he asked. “Don’t they realize, if the Democrats are allowed to get away with stealing the White House, they’re never going to stop stealing elections?”

    Dozens more House Republicans would eventually get behind the case. Lawrence Rosenthal, chair of the Center for Right-Wing Studies at the University of California, Berkeley, said Trump had a singular hold on his party unlike that of any other modern president. “Seventy-four million votes, 126 House Republicans — the constituency for this is unlike anything we’ve ever seen,” Rosenthal said.

    When the Supreme Court rejected the case, Trump’s supporters didn’t deny that the defeat stung, but they insisted that the setback was only temporary.

    The news appeared to unsettle one host on Newsmax TV, an alternative to Fox News that has increased its ratings lately as the president has publicly attacked Fox News for declaring Biden as the president-elect, as well as other acts of perceived disloyalty.

    “It’s not over, it’s not over,” said the host, Greg Kelly, pointing to lawsuits that were still pending in a handful of states. “It’s not over by any stretch.”

    That sounded a lot like Trump on Monday as he tried to deflect attention from the Electoral College vote and shift it to the case in Michigan that the Gateway Pundit had earlier called a bombshell. “WOW. This report shows massive fraud. Election changing result,” the president wrote on Twitter, ensuring that the fight would continue, at least as far as he and his supporters were concerned.

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    This is the world of unreality that Trump's followers exist in. Tens of millions of them.

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  • Firestorm
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    McConnell for the first time recognizes Biden as President-elect

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell for the first time acknowledged Joe Biden's victory and referred to him as President-elect, six weeks after Election Day and amid President Donald Trump's continued refusal to accept defeat.

    "The electoral college has spoken," McConnell said in remarks from the Senate floor in the US Capitol, adding, "Today I want to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden."
    McConnell's comments are significant given that many Senate Republicans still wouldn't recognize Biden's victory on Monday evening even after the Electoral College made the win official.

    He is already being derided and called Cocaine Mitch on Parler

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Originally posted by Battenberg View Post

    What I don't understand is why so many Americans sides with Trump to spread disinformation that's originate from Russia's on going warfare against USA. Russian military intelligence has runned, since the Communist coup d'état in November 1917, a disinformation operation to undermine the democratic system in USA. GRU is still running this operation.

    Trump's party from Senators and Representatives in US Congress, to white supremacists on the streets do everything they can to push these conspiracy theories peddling by Russian military intelligence. Even Trumps own Dep of Treasury has pointed out the person that helped Guiliani to manufacture the "Hunter Biden" story as a Russian military intelligence, is that considered to be of no concern.

    Same with the Russian millions of $ sent to GOP via NRA. No problem with that either. Is this the reason senator Ron Johnson so stubbornly pushes his cases even though the US Senate Intelligence Committee publicly has stated his sources is Russain military intelligence? We must ask ourselves why the Trump Party, formely known as GOP, now is Russian military intelligence most effecient tool.

    They know they being used by these proto-communist and they don't care. Is it the lure of power and money that makes them want to ruin their own country? It's like a classic case of a Banana Republic. The people in the top don't care how it goes for the country, because they get richer and richer, while the country falling deeper and deeper down the poverty swamp.
    You have summed up the Tao of Trump Supporters to a T. His followers adore him and his message because it plays into their sense of being sidelined in today's America. He says outloud what they previously only said in the privacy of their own home.

    He really pushed America First which harkened back to the "good old days"....unless you were a person of color.

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  • Battenberg
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    Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
    Of course, this won't stop Trumpers spending the next 4-8 years claiming widespread voter fraud. A previous incarnation of the cult didn't need facts to claim Obama was not a legitimate President, so facts aren't going to get in the way now.
    What I don't understand is why so many Americans sides with Trump to spread disinformation that's originate from Russia's on going warfare against USA. Russian military intelligence has runned, since the Communist coup d'état in November 1917, a disinformation operation to undermine the democratic system in USA. GRU is still running this operation.

    Trump's party from Senators and Representatives in US Congress, to white supremacists on the streets do everything they can to push these conspiracy theories peddling by Russian military intelligence. Even Trumps own Dep of Treasury has pointed out the person that helped Guiliani to manufacture the "Hunter Biden" story as a Russian military intelligence, is that considered to be of no concern.

    Same with the Russian millions of $ sent to GOP via NRA. No problem with that either. Is this the reason senator Ron Johnson so stubbornly pushes his cases even though the US Senate Intelligence Committee publicly has stated his sources is Russain military intelligence? We must ask ourselves why the Trump Party, formely known as GOP, now is Russian military intelligence most effecient tool.

    They know they being used by these proto-communist and they don't care. Is it the lure of power and money that makes them want to ruin their own country? It's like a classic case of a Banana Republic. The people in the top don't care how it goes for the country, because they get richer and richer, while the country falling deeper and deeper down the poverty swamp.

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  • JRT
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    Originally posted by C-SPAN

    President Trump: "I don't see Joe Biden as a threat."



    05 April 2019

    President Trump: "I don't see Joe Biden as a threat. No, I don't see him as a threat. I think he's only a threat to himself."

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
    I guess it'll just be Alex Jones all the way down, then. Oh well. We've had crazier.
    The credo of Cult45: Mention reality and get buried

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  • GVChamp
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    I guess it'll just be Alex Jones all the way down, then. Oh well. We've had crazier.

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
    Unfortunately they just think Fox News is in on the con and have decided Newsmax is where it's at (????)
    Not for much longer lol. Some guy on Newsmax called Biden the President-Elect TWICE!

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