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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostQuestion? Should Biden debate Trump?
1st Presidential Debate
Vice President Biden: “Mr President, how can you sleep at night after multiple disasters that have tormented our nation because of your ineptitude, lack of interest in policy matters, and criminal malfeasance?”
The Trumpet: blah blah blah
Vice President Biden: “Mr President, have you no shame?”
Repeat as necessaryTrust me?
I'm an economist!
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostOh and today is Friday and the witching hour, the weekend, is coming.
Ratings are coming out. DNC drew more than TNC. Biden drew more than Trump.
Wait for it...tweet...spin...dark conspiracy...media...
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Originally posted by tantalus View PostI meant if the primary had been later or covid earlier it would have been viewed beyond just trump and who is best placed to beat him.
I appreciate the outcome most likely remains the same.
Bottomline is Bernie is and will always remain a fringe candidate. In 25 years he may be mainstream but not now.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by DOR View PostSure, why not?
At least two out of three ...
Launch any unnecessary wars of aggression against the only secular government in the Middle East lately?
Sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" lately?
As for Romney, he will rise in my estimation the day he announces that he has left the GOPers for a party with a greater sense of loyalty to the nation.
Romney is far from perfect...but he was governor of Massachusetts and did introduce a medical plan which the ACA is based on. He did vote for one article of impeachment. I look at him like he is the Republicans Joe Manchin....I mean he is far from preferable but I can get what I need from him on the really important votes. He selected Ryan not cause he wanted him but it was in the immediate aftermath of the Tea Party and he had to select their darling. Real Politik.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Bernie has competed in major party primaries twice and earned the 2nd most votes in the contests each time. The first time he cleared 40%. That's not a fringe candidate, that's a viable base to win a Presidential primary, and there are probably alternate universes where Bernie is the 2020 Democratic nominee. That absolutely means 2024 and 2028 are excellent targets for a Democratic Socialist Democratic candidate."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostBernie has competed in major party primaries twice and earned the 2nd most votes in the contests each time. The first time he cleared 40%. That's not a fringe candidate, that's a viable base to win a Presidential primary, and there are probably alternate universes where Bernie is the 2020 Democratic nominee. That absolutely means 2024 and 2028 are excellent targets for a Democratic Socialist Democratic candidate.
His biggest failure is he has not been a member of the Democratic Party and has done nothing to help Democratic candidates get elected writ large before this year. He learned his lesson after his very tepid support for Mrs. Clinton in 2016.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostOkay...got it. Didn't pick up on that.
Bottomline is Bernie is and will always remain a fringe candidate. In 25 years he may be mainstream but not now.
The demographics will favour his spirtual successor and sometimes a great deal of change can occur very quickly. Covid and the economic damage it inflicts combined with rapid automation and a software eats everything/tech driven/labour light takeover of the economy offer potential catalysts that could terraform the landscape rapidly.
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostBernie has competed in major party primaries twice and earned the 2nd most votes in the contests each time. The first time he cleared 40%. That's not a fringe candidate, that's a viable base to win a Presidential primary, and there are probably alternate universes where Bernie is the 2020 Democratic nominee. That absolutely means 2024 and 2028 are excellent targets for a Democratic Socialist Democratic candidate.
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Bernie has competed in major party primaries twice and earned the 2nd most votes in the contests each time. The first time he cleared 40%. That's not a fringe candidate, that's a viable base to win a Presidential primary, and there are probably alternate universes where Bernie is the 2020 Democratic nominee. That absolutely means 2024 and 2028 are excellent targets for a Democratic Socialist Democratic candidate.
IE, say Biden loses in November. in that case, I definitely agree that 2024 there's a significant chance that the Dems nominate a lefty, because this will be two elections now that they've had to shut up and color for the establishment choice on arguments of "electability", and lost anyway.
but if Biden wins? then absent Harris standing in the middle of 5th Avenue and shooting someone, she WILL be the Democratic nominee if Biden doesn't feel like a second term. same with 2028.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by tantalus View PostWell he is too old now. I guess it depends on your defintion of fringe. But it looks to me that he got pretty close and it required consolidation to stop him this time round.
The demographics will favour his spirtual successor and sometimes a great deal of change can occur very quickly. Covid and the economic damage it inflicts combined with rapid automation and a software eats everything/tech driven/labour light takeover of the economy offer potential catalysts that could terraform the landscape rapidly.
Then he, and the rest of the field, ran into the Blue Wall in South Carolina. Once he hit the mainstream of the Democratic Party he was stopped cold. He picked up some crumbs but nothing major. And once Biden started showing serious momentum Bernie couldn't turn out his base...the Bernie Backers stayed home in droves.
Biden shows he knows his politics by reaching out to him & Warren to hopefully woo some of his supporters.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Bernie won pluralities in Nevada, Colorado, and California. He had respectable shares in a number of other states and probably would have done better had Warren not still been in the race.
To put in comparison, Bernie's vote share in 2020 eclipsed Romney's in 2008, and his vote share in 2016 eclipsed John McCain's in 2000."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostBernie won pluralities in Nevada, Colorado, and California. He had respectable shares in a number of other states and probably would have done better had Warren not still been in the race.
To put in comparison, Bernie's vote share in 2020 eclipsed Romney's in 2008, and his vote share in 2016 eclipsed John McCain's in 2000.
Give it 8-10 years and things can and will no doubt shift...but as of now he is not the mainstream of the party.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostAnd ended up with only 25% of the delegates. Again, his doing well in those states are not the least bit surprising...they match to his constituency. But in the mainstream Democratic areas he did not do as well. Trust me, I have been a staff member of the Democratic Party of Virginia for over 20 years. My siblings the same in NY, MA & CT...so were my parents. All five have run and been elected as Democrats for town or city wide office. They see the same thing. The mainstream of the party sees Bernie as an interloper as he did nothing for the national party or other Democratic candidates until the last 4 years...begrudgingly.
Give it 8-10 years and things can and will no doubt shift...but as of now he is not the mainstream of the party.
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