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  • Trump Says He’ll Seek a Third Term Because ‘They Spied On Me’
    With the political world focused on the Democratic convention Monday night, President Trump looked to steal some of the limelight by saying that he will seek a third term if he wins reelection.

    During a rally in Wisconsin, the president lied to a cheering crowd, telling them that he deserves eight additional years in office because, he falsely claimed, his campaign was spied on in 2016—an assertion his own FBI refuted in a detailed report.

    “We are going to win four more years,” Trump said. “And then after that, we’ll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years.”

    But Trump has one problem: the Constitution. The 22nd Amendment says, “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.”

    During the same rally, Trump went on a bizarre rant about how well the economy was performing before the pandemic, touting the success of students who attended “crummy colleges” and “dumb people.”

    The president’s manic Monday did not stop there. During a stop in Michigan, Trump told the assembled crowd a bullshit story he often repeats.

    “I was ‘Man of the Year’ eleven years ago in Michigan. I don’t know why but they picked me,” the president said.

    Trump doesn’t know why he was chosen for this honor because it’s a lie. According to a 2019 report in the Detroit News, the president has told the fabricated story at least six times—make that seven after today.


    “Since 2016, Trump has claimed that he received Michigan’s ‘Man of the Year’ award, and no one in Michigan seems to know what he is talking about,” the report said.
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    The "law and order" candidate never kids about violating the Constitution. Remember that.
    Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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    • Former top-ranking Trump official endorses Biden, saying working under the current administration was 'terrifying'

      A former senior official in the Trump administration endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden for president on Monday.

      Miles Taylor, who served as the Department of Homeland Security's chief of staff, in a video endorsement of Biden said that working under the current administration was "terrifying."

      "What we saw week in and week out, for me, after two and a half years in that administration, was terrifying. We would go in to try to talk to him about a pressing national security issue — cyberattack, terrorism threat. He wasn't interested in those things. To him, they weren't priorities," Taylor says in the video, which was produced by the group Republican Voters Against Trump.

      Taylor said that many of the things President Donald Trump wanted DHS to do were impossible and in some cases illegal. He characterized the president as vindictive and self-centered.

      "Given what I have experienced in the administration, I have to support Joe Biden for president. And even though I am not a Democrat, even though I disagree on key issues, I'm confident that Joe Biden will protect the country, and I'm confident that he won't make the same mistakes as this president," Taylor, who was at DHS from 2017 to 2019, adds in the video.

      Taylor also wrote an op-ed for The Washington Post in which he said Trump has tried to turn DHS into a "tool used for his political benefit."

      "Trump's indiscipline was also a constant source of frustration ... The decision-making process was itself broken," Taylor wrote.

      "It is more than a little ironic that Trump is campaigning for a second term as a law-and-order president. His first term has been dangerously chaotic. Four more years of this are unthinkable," he added.

      The White House brushed off Taylor's endorsement of Biden.

      "This individual is another creature of the DC Swamp who never understood the importance of the President's agenda or why the American people elected him and clearly just wants to cash-in," White House spokesperson Judd Deere said regarding Taylor, according to Forbes reporter Andrew Solender.

      Anthony Scaramucci, whose tenure as Trump's communications director was extremely short-lived, has also endorsed Biden.

      While other former senior administration officials have publicly condemned Trump in recent months, including former national security adviser John Bolton and former Defense Secretary James Mattis, they've stopped short of giving a full-throated endorsement of Biden. Bolton recently told Insider political correspondent Sonam Sheth that he would not vote for Trump or Biden.

      "I'm not going to vote for Biden for philosophical reasons, and I'm not going to vote for Trump for philosophical reasons and because he's not competent," Bolton said. The former national security adviser told Sheth that he was considering write-in candidates but didn't point to anyone in particular.
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      Weird how people who have worked with or for Trump all say the same thing over and over again: He's a lawless asshole.

      Seems to be a pattern....
      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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      • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
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        Weird how people who have worked with or for Trump all say the same thing over and over again: He's a lawless asshole.

        Seems to be a pattern....

        Joe, you're talking like a madman, now!
        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
        Mark Twain

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        • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
          Joe, you're talking like a madman, now!
          I know, but at least I'm now qualified to be President!
          Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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          • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
            I know, but at least I'm now qualified to be President!
            Not yet. You must first divorce a couple of wives, have an affair with a porn star, say nasty stuff about Mexicans and insult a war veteran for being taken prisoner and attack a gold star family. Oh and have you molested any women lately and bragged about it? That is a requirement.
            Last edited by Firestorm; 18 Aug 20,, 20:47.

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            • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
              Not yet. You must first divorce a couple of wives, have an affair with a porn star, say nasty stuff about Mexicans and insult a war veteran for being taken prisoner and attack a gold star family. Oh and have you molested any women lately and bragged about it? That is a requirement.
              Oh I wouldn't be done qualifying even then:

              "The funniest is that before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant." ~ Donald Trump, Miss Teen USA Owner

              "I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, 'Oh my god, there's a man in here,'" ~ Mariah Billado, Miss Vermont Teen USA

              "You know they're standing there with no clothes on. ...and you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that" ~ Donald Trump

              "Every time we changed, it was like Trump would find a reason to come backstage" ~ Stacy Wilkes, then age 16


              The "law and order" candidate at work, doing what he does best.
              Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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              • Florida newspapers are reporting that The Trumpet has voted in the state primary ... by mail.
                Trust me?
                I'm an economist!

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                • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                  Not yet. You must first divorce a couple of wives, have an affair with a porn star, say nasty stuff about Mexicans and insult a war veteran for being taken prisoner and attack a gold star family. Oh and have you molested any women lately and bragged about it? That is a requirement.
                  You may be onto something about the affairs.
                  https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/jill-b...ith-joe-biden/

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                  • More than 70 Republican former national security officials come out in support of Biden

                    More than 70 former Republican national security officials, including some former members of the Trump administration, came out in support of Joe Biden's bid for president Thursday, according to an open letter that also offered a scathing rebuke of President Donald Trump's first term in office.

                    "We are profoundly concerned about the course of our nation under the leadership of Donald Trump," the officials wrote. "Through his actions and his rhetoric, Trump has demonstrated that he lacks the character and competence to lead this nation and has engaged in corrupt behavior that renders him unfit to serve as President."

                    Some signers include former FBI Director William Webster, former Defense Secretary under President Obama Chuck Hagel and former CIA Director Michael Hayden.

                    The letter outlines 10 reasons the signers believe Trump isn't fit for the Oval Office.

                    "Donald Trump has gravely damaged America's role as a world leader," the first point in the letter says. Other items include declarations that Trump is "unfit to lead during a national crisis," "solicited foreign influence," "aligned himself with dictators," "disparaged our armed forces, intelligence agencies, and diplomats," "undermined the rule of law," "dishonored the office of the presidency," "divided our nation," "attacked and vilified immigrants" and "imperiled America's security."

                    "While we – like all Americans – had hoped that Donald Trump would govern wisely, he has disappointed millions of voters who put their faith in him and has demonstrated that he is dangerously unfit to serve another term. In contrast, we believe Joe Biden has the character, experience, and temperament to lead this nation," the letter reads.

                    One of the former officials who signed the letter told ABC News that she hoped Trump would rise to the occasion of being president, but in her view, he did not.

                    "Many of us hoped that Trump, like those before him, would rise to the honor of the office. That the mantel of leadership would weigh heavy on him and lead to a change of behavior. That perhaps the tweeting, the bullying, the coarse language would be set aside behind closed doors and that he would treat the office with the dignity and gravity it deserves. That did not happen," Elizabeth Neumann, former assistant secretary of Homeland Security told ABC News.

                    "[Trump's] leadership style is chaos; and if you study him -- this is a style that he has used for decades in business," she added. "But chaos at the top of our federal government leads to chaos throughout the government. Some see this as a way to weaken the so-called 'deep state' -- but what it actually does is weaken our security agencies' ability to secure and protect our nation. The botched COVID response is merely the latest example -- but also one of the gravest with the cost being American lives."

                    The Trump campaign did not immediately comment on the letter.

                    "Donald Trump's four years in the White House have left America isolated abroad, our alliances in tatters, and autocrats like Xi and Putin emboldened," Biden campaign spokesperson Michael Gwin said in a statement. "This endorsement is a clear sign of both how weak Donald Trump has left the United States globally, and of Vice President Biden's unique ability to pick up the pieces next January by rebuilding critical relationships and standing up for American values and interests against the adversaries that Trump has coddled."

                    Earlier this week, the former Department of Homeland Security chief of staff under former Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Miles Taylor, came out in support of Biden.

                    "Given what I've experienced in the administration, I have to support Joe Biden for president," Taylor said in a video posted and produced by the group Republican Voters Against Trump. "And even though I'm not a Democrat, even though I disagree on key issues, I'm confident that Joe Biden will protect the country, and I'm confident he won't make the same mistakes as this president."

                    Acting Secretary Chad Wolf blasted Taylor in a statement, accusing him of reversing course for "five minutes of fame."
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                    Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                    • Originally posted by surfgun View Post
                      You may be onto something about the affairs.
                      https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/jill-b...ith-joe-biden/
                      So Biden found a way to make even an affair boring by ... marrying the woman. Pffft. If he wants the Christian Conservatives to vote for him he needs to up his game and bang a porn star while his wife is pregnant.

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                      • Trouble for Trump as Fox News praises 'enormously effective' Biden speech

                        The Guardian, Aug 21, 2020, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-donald-trump

                        “Under pressure on the last day of the Democratic National Convention, Joe Biden 'hit a home run' with an 'enormously effective' speech that blew 'a big hole' in Donald Trump’s efforts to paint him as a mentally faltering captive of his party’s left wing.”

                        In other news, Fox News discovered fair and balanced journalism…


                        “Trump plans to accept the nomination on the grounds of the White House on Thursday, in apparent violation of laws requiring that political campaigning be kept separate from the conduct of office.”


                        In other news … “Joe wows critics,” the Drudge Report, usually a clearinghouse for the most astringent conservative messaging, exclaimed on Friday morning.


                        “It was a very good speech,” added Karl Rove, a Republican strategist respected and reviled on either side of the aisle.

                        In other news, hell froze over, blue moons have become commonplace, stones bleed, the Cleaveland Browns are odds-on favorites to win the Super Bowl, and Porcine Airlines has taken to the sky …
                        Trust me?
                        I'm an economist!

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                        • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                          “Under pressure on the last day of the Democratic National Convention, Joe Biden 'hit a home run' with an 'enormously effective' speech that blew 'a big hole' in Donald Trump’s efforts to paint him as a mentally faltering captive of his party’s left wing.”
                          Can't wait to hear Trump's RNC speeches. I wonder if they'll be written out in crayon and/or if they'll involve more "airports in 1776" type genius stuff.

                          Or maybe something on point, relevant to the desperate needs of a hurting nation. You know, like this:

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                          Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                          • Originally posted by Firestorm View Post
                            So Biden found a way to make even an affair boring by ... marrying the woman. Pffft. If he wants the Christian Conservatives to vote for him he needs to up his game and bang a porn star while his wife is pregnant.
                            Actually, Surfgun is giving you the 'nice' version what Trumpers are pushing about Joe & Jill Biden. This is what is actually being put about on conservative websites (I'm not going to put up the link to this filth, I'm sure Surfgun can provide it):

                            Jill Giacoppa AKA Protestant sounding name Jill Tracy Jacobs met Joe when she was a campaign worker for him during the New Castle Councilman's first Senatorial campaign in 1972. They began having an affair and drove Nelia Biden to hit the bottle. Joe broke up Bill and Jill's marriage after Bill caught Jill cheating on him.
                            So, they are blaming the Bidens for the death of Joe's wife & daughter while also making some nasty smears about all involved, including the dead woman. I predicted something like this. I keep thinking that nothing more Trumpers can do or say can nauseate me, and I keep getting proved wrong. There is no depth that won't be plumbed when the cult leader is threatened.
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                            • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                              Bonehead,
                              That's an absolutely fair and reasonable question. I don't take offense at it, at all.
                              You're correct, I am not fond of Donald Trump or his presidency. "Loathing" would be a better word, in fact.

                              I am also not a Democrat. Never have been. Never will be. Never claimed to be one. Therefore I don't have the slightest reason to promote a Democrat, let alone sing the praises of a Democrat, to say nothing of listing their accomplishments and/or agendas.

                              Having said that, I will be voting for Joe Biden this year. Not because I think that Biden knows how to solve the problems facing the nation, or because he's the best man for the job. It is purely and simply because he is not Donald Trump, nor anywhere close to being anything like Donald Trump.

                              For instance: With the exploding danger of COVID-19 staring the country in the face, I am reasonably confident that Joe Biden will not promote ridiculous conspiracy theories or suggest absurd and dangerous medical treatments, nor consort with and promote those that do.

                              This is just a small example of why Donald Trump is an existential threat to this country, and why even a pile of shit 6 feet tall would be an improvement, by an order of magnitude, over him.

                              I could provide example after example, such as how I'm reasonably confident that Joe Biden wouldn't dismiss US intelligence reports of Kremlin-offered bounties on US soldiers. So too, I'm reasonably confident that our hypothetical 6 foot high pile of shit wouldn't dismiss them either. So, pile of shit or Joe Biden, the staggering improvement over Donald Trump is still the same.

                              Regarding your assertion that "it is obvious that if Biden wins he will soon be declared incompetent", I will point out that Deflection and Projection, whilst the hallmark of 'defending' Donald Trump, are also poor substitutes for facing reality. Joe Biden is a lifelong stutterer, so his slips of speech, which are taken as "evidence" of his "mental incompetence" are to be expected. However, Joe Biden, at last check, does not have dozens of essays from psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals describing the "clear and present danger" that his mental health poses to the "nation and individual well being".

                              Donald Trump however, most certainly does.

                              In fact, Donald Trump's mental incompetence is on display, day after day. Whether repeatedly claiming that his Bronx-born father Fred Trump was "born in a very wonderful place in Germany" or asserting that soldiers during the American Revolution "took over the airports", it's clear that Donald Trump is either mentally incompetent, or just plain incompetent.

                              So attempting to deflect onto Joe Biden and tar him with that brush, while amusing, has the distinct whiff of desperation and bullshit to it. Most especially when it requires one to completely ignore the mental state of Donald Trump.
                              I admire your willingness to vote biden as you are not a democrat. Kudos.

                              I agree totally with your synopsis of the Big Orange Man.

                              I don't agree with you on Biden's faculties. I do agree the sentiment that even the worst cast scenario on Biden's decline still makes him the clear and obvious choice. Strange times. It's difficult to know how bad he is, he struggles when he has to think on his feet, when he is challenged, but most people find that difficult with a camera on them, he is a seasoned operator, so it seems he now struggles when he is mentally pushed. By all accounts he did well with his pre planned speech so clearly the extreme theory he is already undergone massive decline is not true. Yet the trend suggets he has declined in the last 2 years.

                              Pretending he is not in decline can be a negative as people get attracted to the idea that he is after they see clips of him and they conclude they are being lied too. Feeling you have inside knowledge to the truth is powerful. But drawing too much attention too it risks people voting trump, also very bad.

                              Biden is 78 and is showing clear signs of decline to me. Giving him one of the hardest jobs in the world that requires atleast 4 more years of effort and had many other willing candidates isn't logical or optimal by the democratic party and its voters. Thats just an example of a pitfall of democracy we have to currently accept. The system works despite these failures, in part because these failures are allowed.

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                              • A good person in 'decline' is preferable to a morally bankrupt one also in 'decline'.

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