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  • Sen Harris will push VP Biden so far to the hard left ... just as far as Mike Pence pushed The Trumpet into actually reading the Constitution and the Bible, and then using both to guide his actions ...
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    • I wonder if it had been better for Biden to pick a moderate Democrat from the Mid West, Klobouchar or Whitmer, as the election will most likely come down to the three states that went narrowly for Trump last time. But I guess there was perceived to be some need to reach out to the Bernie/Woke wing of the Democrats.

      Guess we will see how it plays out.

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      • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
        Kamala Harris is Biden's VP pick. So, the battle lines are drawn and the armies are assembled.

        Unless of course Trump throws Pence under the bus and picks Nikki Haley as his new VP.
        That would be a shame as I very much look forward to Pence dealing with Harris at their one debate.

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        • Originally posted by DOR View Post
          Sen Harris will push VP Biden so far to the hard left ... just as far as Mike Pence pushed The Trumpet into actually reading the Constitution and the Bible, and then using both to guide his actions ...
          I'm sorry but I am going to have to say you will be wrong. Harris is central-left just like you in most cases. I think you have her confused with AOC. Seriously.
          Last edited by tbm3fan; 12 Aug 20,, 07:00.

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          • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
            I'm sorry but I am going to have to say you will be wrong. Harris is central-left just like you in most cases. I think you have her confused with AOC. Seriously.
            Think your sarcasm metre needs an oil change.
            Chimo

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            • Originally posted by InExile View Post
              I wonder if it had been better for Biden to pick a moderate Democrat from the Mid West, Klobouchar or Whitmer, as the election will most likely come down to the three states that went narrowly for Trump last time. But I guess there was perceived to be some need to reach out to the Bernie/Woke wing of the Democrats.

              Guess we will see how it plays out.
              The Bernie/Woke wing of the party detest Harris. They see her as an 'establishment' candaidate with a 'law & order' background. Don't mistake their rhetoric on diversity with their actions. They love ethnic diversity as long as it comes with ideological conformity. Rememebr that these are the people who attacked John Lewis as 'establishment' in 2016 and would have happily put up a ticket comprised of two white people aged over 70.

              I am hoping that after the experience of 2016 the Woke wing will suck it up and vote against Trump. Some will throw a tantrum, but most will grit their teeth & vite for Joe & Kamala. I suspect that Biden will throw the left wing a few decent sized bones with his picks for Cabinet positions. Stacey Abrams might get a go as AG or something related to voting rights if she is not already running for office in Georgia. Warren will get a senior post and possibly a few more besides.

              Where Harris has appeal is among the less self absorbed elements of the Democratic voter base. While black voters won't just vote for someone on skin colour, the symbolism here is significant. Similarly other potential non-white voters may feel well disposed, though I doubt she will do anything much to attract Hispanic voters that can't be better done by Dems from that background. I am not sure what the historical turnout of the somewhat misleading 'Asian-American' demographic is, but having someone called Kamala on the ticket won't hurt outreach to Americans from subcontinental backgrounds. Just as important, this signals to white moderates that a) the party is indeed committed to diversity; and b) It hasn't given itself over to the more radical wing. Harris has experience at the national level, so she won't be seen as a risk.

              I'm honestly not sure any of this will make much difference to the election, but given Biden's age it might matter more than usual.

              Oh, and expect attacks from the right to be directly out of the gutter. As a woman you can expect stuff about her appearance and sexual history and the fact she hasn't had children. They will also attack her ethnicity and ethnic identity in various ways. There will be more on top of that. Literally nothing gets right wingers foaming at the mouth like an intelligent woman who disagrees with them. It will get nasty.
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              • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                The Bernie/Woke wing of the party detest Harris. They see her as an 'establishment' candaidate with a 'law & order' background. Don't mistake their rhetoric on diversity with their actions. They love ethnic diversity as long as it comes with ideological conformity. Rememebr that these are the people who attacked John Lewis as 'establishment' in 2016 and would have happily put up a ticket comprised of two white people aged over 70.

                I am hoping that after the experience of 2016 the Woke wing will suck it up and vote against Trump. Some will throw a tantrum, but most will grit their teeth & vite for Joe & Kamala. I suspect that Biden will throw the left wing a few decent sized bones with his picks for Cabinet positions. Stacey Abrams might get a go as AG or something related to voting rights if she is not already running for office in Georgia. Warren will get a senior post and possibly a few more besides.

                Where Harris has appeal is among the less self absorbed elements of the Democratic voter base. While black voters won't just vote for someone on skin colour, the symbolism here is significant. Similarly other potential non-white voters may feel well disposed, though I doubt she will do anything much to attract Hispanic voters that can't be better done by Dems from that background. I am not sure what the historical turnout of the somewhat misleading 'Asian-American' demographic is, but having someone called Kamala on the ticket won't hurt outreach to Americans from subcontinental backgrounds. Just as important, this signals to white moderates that a) the party is indeed committed to diversity; and b) It hasn't given itself over to the more radical wing. Harris has experience at the national level, so she won't be seen as a risk.

                I'm honestly not sure any of this will make much difference to the election, but given Biden's age it might matter more than usual.

                Oh, and expect attacks from the right to be directly out of the gutter. As a woman you can expect stuff about her appearance and sexual history and the fact she hasn't had children. They will also attack her ethnicity and ethnic identity in various ways. There will be more on top of that. Literally nothing gets right wingers foaming at the mouth like an intelligent woman who disagrees with them. It will get nasty.
                The woke left sabotaged Andrew Yang who could've been a great uniter. Biden should've picked him.

                I'm not sure if the South Asian community should be lumped together with East and South-East Asian communities. They face different challenges.

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                • Originally posted by hboGYT View Post
                  The woke left sabotaged Andrew Yang who could've been a great uniter. Biden should've picked him.
                  There is no credible political scenario in any remotely credible version of this universe where Andrew Yang gets chosen VP. Blame the 'woke left' all you want, Yang's campaign was going nowhere. UBI is a fundamentally bad idea and the only reason Yang didn't get crucified for it is that he simply wasn't imporrtant enough for anyone to care. He has no base & no constituency of any significance - he brings very little to the table compared to most others. Candidates with VASTLY better chances crashed & burned this year. Yang had slightly more chance than me of becoming....well anything this thread is talking about, but only slightly.

                  Given history & circumstance a female of colour was far & away the most likely VP candidate. However, even if Harris was a white guy she would be a better choice than Yang. So would most of the Dem field this year.

                  I'm not sure if the South Asian community should be lumped together with East and South-East Asian communities. They face different challenges.
                  I agree, which is why the 'Asian' category in the US (and UK for that matter) is such a curious beast. In Australia 'Asian' strictly refers to East Asia and the collective for South Asian would probably be 'subcontinental'. Very different communities indeed.
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                  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                    Think your sarcasm metre needs an oil change.
                    Maybe an overhaul....but Turkey, that's what 2020 has done to us.
                    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                    Mark Twain

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                    • Originally posted by InExile View Post
                      I wonder if it had been better for Biden to pick a moderate Democrat from the Mid West, Klobouchar or Whitmer, as the election will most likely come down to the three states that went narrowly for Trump last time. But I guess there was perceived to be some need to reach out to the Bernie/Woke wing of the Democrats.

                      Guess we will see how it plays out.
                      I disagree and here is why....African Americans stayed home in 2016 in those states.

                      That African Americans were going to be more energized in this election cycle was a given. With HArris on the ticket this will only help even more.

                      And here is another reason why it is a good selection....the calculus of the Senate. The California seat is safe in Democratic hands...Midwestern Senate seats no so much.

                      I am sure that was taken into account as well.
                      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                      Mark Twain

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                      • Originally posted by InExile View Post
                        I wonder if it had been better for Biden to pick a moderate Democrat from the Mid West, Klobouchar or Whitmer, as the election will most likely come down to the three states that went narrowly for Trump last time. But I guess there was perceived to be some need to reach out to the Bernie/Woke wing of the Democrats.

                        Guess we will see how it plays out.
                        LBJ was the last VP choice to be useful geographically.
                        The game's moved on since then, and now race and gender are more important than geography.

                        Oh, and Sen. Harris -- despite everything Putin would have us believe -- is dead center of the Democratic spectrum.
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                        I'm an economist!

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                        • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                          Think your sarcasm metre needs an oil change.
                          ^^^
                          What he said.
                          Trust me?
                          I'm an economist!

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                          • DOR,

                            Oh, and Sen. Harris -- despite everything Putin would have us believe -- is dead center of the Democratic spectrum.
                            not quite; she's definitely on the more liberal side of the Democratic spectrum.

                            but, the fact that so many Sanderistas hate her tends to obfuscate that.

                            in any case, I'm glad she got the pick over Susan Rice.
                            Last edited by astralis; 12 Aug 20,, 18:35.
                            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                            • Totally concur Asty
                              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                              Mark Twain

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                              • Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
                                UBI is a fundamentally bad idea and the only reason Y
                                .
                                Bad right now or bad forever?

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