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  • OK so he is more likely to contest the election's results right when the votes are being counted, or maybe somehow sabotage the election. What could happen for example if (as he is saying) some massive frauds were effectively reported on election day ? would it be possible that the votes in a State are nullified ? Would that need a court's decision ?

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    • Originally posted by Steph View Post
      OK so he is more likely to contest the election's results right when the votes are being counted, or maybe somehow sabotage the election.
      It's not more likely, it's a certainty. He has already said the election will be the most fraudulent history. He is also threatening to sue Nevada for sending mail-in ballots to all registered voters in that state.

      Originally posted by Steph View Post
      What could happen for example if (as he is saying) some massive frauds were effectively reported on election day ? would it be possible that the votes in a State are nullified ? Would that need a court's decision ?
      It's entirely possible that such an outcome will end up in the Supreme Court, as it did it in 2000.

      The bottom line is that if Trump is still fogging a mirror on Election Day, he will do anything and everything he possibly can to disrupt and contest the election.
      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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      • Originally posted by snapper View Post
        You are fast approaching the Caesar/Rubicon moment. There was arguably a good reason Caesar crossed the Rubicon and refused to lay down his Consulship; he knew he would be prosecuted and (most likely) found condemned once the legal immunity of holding the Consulship (and several Legions of troops) ended. To his supporters the planned charges were naturally "malicious, politically motivated" etc but to his detractors - and the 'constitutionalists' of the time - it was just normal that an ex Consul could be sued in the courts the same as anyone else.

        To my mind there is little doubt that Trump while President has broken a host of law - emoluments not least - but I would be wary of promising prosecution him and his ilk no matter their sins.
        I think the biggest difference here is that Trump posted a question on Twitter and Caesar led an army to occupy the capital.
        Also Caesar was INCREDIBLY popular with his only real opposition being portions of the aristocracy, which is why he ultimately prevailed. That and Caesar being super-competent.
        "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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        • Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
          I think the biggest difference here is that Trump posted a question on Twitter and Caesar led an army to occupy the capital.
          Also Caesar was INCREDIBLY popular with his only real opposition being portions of the aristocracy, which is why he ultimately prevailed. That and Caesar being super-competent.
          "Question" my ass.

          We don't need even the hint of this shit right now (or ever). All its doing is stirring up the Reich-wing of this country and causing yet more divisiveness, to say nothing of casting doubt on the legitimacy of the election.
          Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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          • Originally posted by Steph View Post
            OK so he is more likely to contest the election's results right when the votes are being counted, or maybe somehow sabotage the election. What could happen for example if (as he is saying) some massive frauds were effectively reported on election day ? would it be possible that the votes in a State are nullified ? Would that need a court's decision ?
            The possibility that aliens from Venus will land in Toledo on election day and rig the votes is another one to worry about...
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            • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
              "Question" my ass.

              We don't need even the hint of this shit right now (or ever). All its doing is stirring up the Reich-wing of this country and causing yet more divisiveness, to say nothing of casting doubt on the legitimacy of the election.
              You just referred to a huge section of the US as Nazis. Your counsel on reducing American's political division is noted and will be marked to value accordingly.
              Last edited by GVChamp; 04 Aug 20,, 02:42.
              "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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              • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                The possibility that aliens from Venus will land in Toledo on election day and rig the votes is another one to worry about...
                Well, if the Venusian are connected to twitter, no doubt Trump will try that too ...

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                • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                  It's not more likely, it's a certainty. He has already said the election will be the most fraudulent history.
                  When i saw that tweet you get the impression he isn't confident of winning by much of a margin.

                  The other possibility is he is just covering his bases in the eventuality its very close.

                  He certainly won't say it was fraudulent if he wins by a clear margin.

                  Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                  The bottom line is that if Trump is still fogging a mirror on Election Day, he will do anything and everything he possibly can to disrupt and contest the election.
                  Commentators i've heard think it will be settled in court. A more divisive version of what happened in 2000.

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                  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                    When i saw that tweet you get the impression he isn't confident of winning by much of a margin.

                    The other possibility is he is just covering his bases in the eventuality its very close.

                    He certainly won't say it was fraudulent if he wins by a clear margin.

                    Commentators i've heard think it will be settled in court. A more divisive version of what happened in 2000.
                    All of the above is almost certainly correct, IMO
                    Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                    • Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
                      You just referred to a huge section of the US as Nazis. Your counsel on reducing American's political division is noted and will be marked to value accordingly.
                      The Reich-wing, as in the Alt-Right. The ones that are literally flying Nazi flags. Odd that you would assume that I'm referring to everyone right-of-center, which would include myself. To be clear, and for the record, I was referring to people like this:
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                      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                      • Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
                        You just referred to a huge section of the US as Nazis. Your counsel on reducing American's political division is noted and will be marked to value accordingly.
                        You are naive. So let's drop Nazi and use fascist. Sounds less ominous or is it? You say TH isn't helping division in the country. Let me tell you that many in America had no issues with Germany in the 30s. No surprise since most were racist and anti-Semetic at the time. They are still here. I have always felt, since that point in time, that 1/3 of the voting public would vote for a fascist like populist. Many other countries have gone down the road so why not us? Those 1/3 would care less about the other 2/3, would feel they have it coming to them, and would turn a blind eye to people boarded onto boxcars. They are the ones to watch as socialist and communists have always been a small percentage of the American public, like less than 1%.

                        Do you have a blind eye? If so watch out as many times even supporters have something to worry about.

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                        • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
                          You are naive. So let's drop Nazi and use fascist. Sounds less ominous or is it? You say TH isn't helping division in the country. Let me tell you that many in America had no issues with Germany in the 30s. No surprise since most were racist and anti-Semetic at the time. They are still here. I have always felt, since that point in time, that 1/3 of the voting public would vote for a fascist like populist. Many other countries have gone down the road so why not us? Those 1/3 would care less about the other 2/3, would feel they have it coming to them, and would turn a blind eye to people boarded onto boxcars. They are the ones to watch as socialist and communists have always been a small percentage of the American public, like less than 1%.

                          Do you have a blind eye? If so watch out as many times even supporters have something to worry about.


                          So,you have a more limited aim.Not half,only a third.Phew!

                          What would be funny if it weren’t tragic is that the likes of your side and those you oppose don’t have different views on a given issue.Each is talking of completely different things.You have ZERO(0) chances of ever solving the division growing in US if you carry on like this.Because you already are balkanized.Thus,it is highly unlikely a compromise,the basic building block of governance,is even possible.Because people cannot agree on what to compromise.
                          Even when there is a common topic,the views are polar opposites.
                          Those who know don't speak
                          He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                          • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
                            So,you have a more limited aim.Not half,only a third.Phew!

                            What would be funny if it weren’t tragic is that the likes of your side and those you oppose don’t have different views on a given issue.Each is talking of completely different things.You have ZERO(0) chances of ever solving the division growing in US if you carry on like this.Because you already are balkanized.Thus,it is highly unlikely a compromise,the basic building block of governance,is even possible.Because people cannot agree on what to compromise.
                            Even when there is a common topic,the views are polar opposites.
                            IMO, he's absolutely correct and the numbers support him as well. Even with all that Donald Trump has done, with 4 years of him trampling all over the rule of law, ignoring the Constitution, flouting the rulings of the highest count of the land, and proclaiming his power is "total"....even with all that, he still has the solid support of 30-35% of the country.

                            Pointing out the obvious isn't divisive. It's just pointing out the obvious.

                            Also, the United States was "balkanized" from the very beginning, sometimes violently so.
                            Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                            • Pence criticizes Chief Justice Roberts, says court's future 'on the ballot in 2020'

                              WASHINGTON — Vice President Mike Pence said in an interview airing Thursday that Chief Justice John Roberts has let down conservatives because of his decisions in which he sided with the Supreme Court's liberal justices.

                              "We have great respect for the institution of the Supreme Court of the United States, but Chief Justice John Roberts has been a disappointment to conservatives whether it be the Obamacare decision or whether it be a spate of recent decisions," Pence said in an interview with Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody, who released a clip of this portion of the interview Wednesday night.

                              Pence said that Roberts' rulings are a reminder "of just how important this election is for the future of the Supreme Court."

                              The vice president specifically criticized Roberts for one of the recent decisions in which he sided with the high court's liberals and struck down an restrictive abortion law in Louisiana. Pence noted the law required " doctors working in abortion clinics would have to have admitting privileges at local hospitals."

                              "That's a very modest restriction on abortion providers, but a narrow majority in the Supreme Court still said it was unacceptable," he said. "And I think it's been, I think it's been a wake up call for pro-life voters around the country who understand, in a very real sense, the destiny of the Supreme Court is on the ballot in 2020."

                              In addition to the ruling that overturned the law restricting access to abortions, Roberts cast the deciding vote by joining liberal justices in a 5-4 decision that blocked the Trump administration from shutting down DACA, which allows young people known as Dreamers to remain in the U.S. In a 6-3 decision, Roberts also joined the majority ruling federal law does not allow job discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or transgender status.

                              Pence reiterated in the interview that President Donald Trump plans to release a list of candidates that he could draw from for future appointments to the Supreme Court.
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                              Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                                IMO, he's absolutely correct and the numbers support him as well. Even with all that Donald Trump has done, with 4 years of him trampling all over the rule of law, ignoring the Constitution, flouting the rulings of the highest count of the land, and proclaiming his power is "total"....even with all that, he still has the solid support of 30-35% of the country.

                                Pointing out the obvious isn't divisive. It's just point out the obvious.

                                Also, the United States was "balkanized" from the very beginning, sometimes violently so.
                                ^^^
                                What he said.
                                Trust me?
                                I'm an economist!

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