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  • Originally posted by astralis View Post
    i resemble this remark...:-)

    it's more passive-aggressive link postings to news articles and studies demonstrating how sexist attitudes influence voting patterns than anything else.

    Bernie Bros and Trumpsters tend to go for the annoying memes and personal attacks. memes everywhere!



    if Warren is a communist, then what is Bernie? Communist supreme? :-)
    Isn't Bernie really a Marxist first and foremost?

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    • eh, Bernie is a New Deal Democrat masquerading as a socialist. The closest he gets to Marxism is his talk about public ownership of companies and worker self-management, but none of that is backed up by any policy proposals whatsoever. Corbyn's industrial policy was far closer to that than what Sanders is proposing.

      Bernie is like the the annoying college bro with the Che Guevara poster-- not because he knows anything about who Che Guevara is, but because it looks cool.
      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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      • Originally posted by astralis View Post
        not because he knows anything about who Che Guevara is, but because it looks cool.
        Cool, mmmmmm...
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        • Jesse Jackson has endorsed his comrade Bernie Sanders.



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          • Originally posted by astralis View Post
            morris' take is complete crap, of course-- HRC is not a gifted politician but...
            John Sununu has another twist on this, has recently expressed an opinion that Hillary Rodham Clinton might be maneuvering to be geezer-Joe Biden's running mate.



            While I prefer to not use Fox Faux News as a source, this is what Google found.
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            • not gonna happen man.

              HRC on a ticket doesn't bring anyone to the ballot box, while she's poison with the Bernie bros and will bring out the GOP.

              i'd expect Michelle Obama and Oprah first.

              more seriously, though, Klobuchar's probably got a pretty good shot considering she gave Minnesota to Biden on a platter at a crucial time.
              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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              • It looks like it will come down to Bernie Sanders vs Joe Biden in the DNC, though which do people really think is the better candidate? It really looks like choosing a lesser of two evils at this point and it's clear that none of them are strong choices.

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                • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                  not gonna happen man.

                  HRC on a ticket doesn't bring anyone to the ballot box, while she's poison with the Bernie bros and will bring out the GOP.

                  i'd expect Michelle Obama and Oprah first.

                  more seriously, though, Klobuchar's probably got a pretty good shot considering she gave Minnesota to Biden on a platter at a crucial time.
                  Maybe if Biden wins, he can choose Bernie himself as his running mate. :D That strategy has a 50% chance of uniting both wings of the party and driving a historically high turnout that utterly destroys Trump in November and a 50% chance of angering both wings so much that turnout drops drastically (and the really pissed off people vote for Trump) leading to the biggest loss suffered by anyone in a US presidential election. High risk, high reward.

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                  • nah, Bernie would never accept because that would destroy his "brand" of being the so-called truth-teller to the establishment.

                    and it doesn't get more establishment than Biden-- Biden was in the Senate back when HRC was in law school.

                    plus, wouldn't be wise to have a 77-year old pick a 78-year old for VP, political considerations aside.
                    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                    • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                      plus, wouldn't be wise to have a 77-year old pick a 78-year old for VP, political considerations aside.
                      I'm thinking that Klobuchar's slip of the tongue was, at the very least, a trial balloon.

                      By all accounts, she'd make a good running mate for Biden and certainly enliven both the campaign and the Dem base.

                      I wonder if Trump is going to dump Pence. Doesn't seem likely, unless he needs a fall guy for his unbelievably shitty response to the coronavirus pandemic. Then it's straight under the bus he goes lol.
                      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                      • By all accounts, she'd make a good running mate for Biden and certainly enliven both the campaign and the Dem base.
                        other than the "woman" aspect, Klobuchar doesn't really excite the Dem base much. her strike is that she's essentially part of the same moderate/establishment lane as Biden.

                        but past straight political appeal calculations, rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies is part of the game, so she has a pretty good shot.

                        I'd normally think Warren might have a good chance because she's beloved by the liberal-but-not-Bernie-crazy base, but if Biden picks her, then Gov Charlie Baker (R) would appoint a Republican to fill her vacant Senate seat.
                        There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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                        • Biden & Sanders would look like the two old guys on the Muppet show. Whoever gets the nod they at least need someone born after WW2 ended. They also need someone who might credibly take over if they keeled over.

                          Biden doesn't need a female as such, but he needs someone a couple of decades younger for a start. After that it is a matter of which boxes to check out of: 1) will appeal to the Sanders faction; 2) not white & preferably latino; 3) helpful in an important state or region.

                          I have no idea who is around that will tick the right boxes in the right sequence. I'm also aware that for all the focus on failed Presidential candidates, they don't often get the nod. However, they are high profile, so we talk about them. Would Julian Castro be a decent choice? I'm not sure he can get Texas over the line, but he could certainly help reach out to latino communities. Is Kamala Harris a contender? Any useful current or recent state governors?

                          The other consideration here is would a successful Biden seek a second term? Its hard to believe a term as President won't take a toll, and he is already struggling. In that case the plan would presumably be to give the VP the inside running for the 2024 nomination, which might also have to figure into calculations.

                          Lots of moving parts.
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                          • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                            I'm thinking that Klobuchar's slip of the tongue was, at the very least, a trial balloon.

                            By all accounts, she'd make a good running mate for Biden and certainly enliven both the campaign and the Dem base.

                            I wonder if Trump is going to dump Pence. Doesn't seem likely, unless he needs a fall guy for his unbelievably shitty response to the coronavirus pandemic. Then it's straight under the bus he goes lol.
                            Thus far Pence has worked out well for Trump. he shores up a key constituency while being completely unthreatening. Getting rid of him for the uncertainty of a new candidate would be a risky move. Of course, Trump is just the guy to do it, but not is he is being smart.
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                            • What Biden needs to be doing is looking for someone to run and win in 2024.

                              He is stepping up to conduct damage control.

                              He needs to look forward to the future of the Party.

                              With that Klobuchar/Harris/Booker/Castro all would make sense.

                              As mentioned Warren would be a problem because of GOP GOV in MA...but Baker also knows he has won in MA because he is a moderate. Moderate GOP always has done well in MA. That is why Warren knocked off Scott Brown so easily.

                              Beto is too young and inexperienced.
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                              • Biden has already hinted multiple times that he would like to pick a woman as VP.

                                so probably a younger person because yeah, he's looking like a one-term guy.

                                if the Dems win this go-around, they need to -really- commit to a full-scale changing of the guard by 2024. I am all for experience while fighting a desperate rear-guard fight against the excesses of the current administration, but having the entire party leadership be over 75 is getting ridiculous.
                                There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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