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  • I guess that’s what Lindsey Graham was referring to in his floor speech on January 6.

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    https://youtu.be/JKHkYlRm_XM

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    • Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over his attempts to overturn his loss in the state of Georgia, report says

      Former President Donald Trump could be charged with multiple crimes over election interference in Georgia, a new report says.

      The report by the Brookings Institution, a leading think tank in Washington DC, analyzes publicly available evidence that shows that Trump and his allies attempted to pressure Georgia officials to "change the lawful outcome of the election."

      A key piece of evidence is the now-infamous call made by Trump on January 3 to Georgia's Republican Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger. He told him to "find 11,780 votes" to overturn Biden's win.

      The report adds that Trump publicly pressured and personally contacted several other officials in Georgia to ask them to help him overturn his loss in the state.


      It includes Governor Brian Kemp and Attorney General Chris Carr, who Trump reportedly placed direct calls to in December to urge them to go along with "his increasingly desperate plans to decertify his loss."

      "We conclude that Trump's post-election conduct in Georgia leaves him at substantial risk of possible state charges predicated on multiple crimes," the report said.

      "These charges potentially include criminal solicitation to commit election fraud; intentional interference with performance of election duties; conspiracy to commit election fraud; criminal solicitation; and state RICO violations."

      The report added that criminal liability could extend to some Trump allies, including his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

      Giuliani appeared before committees in the Georgia Capitol with the intent of convincing state lawmakers to "take extraordinary action to reverse Biden's win," the report notes.

      In February, Raffensperger's office opened a probe into Trump's efforts to overturn his loss in the state.

      Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis also launched a criminal investigation into Trump's conduct relating to the election.

      The Brookings Institution report analyzes these probes and suggests what crimes Trump could be charged with and his legal defenses.

      The report suggests that Trump would likely claim immunity, arguing he cannot be prosecuted for actions taken while he was president.

      Former presidents enjoy a measure of immunity for actions taken that "fall within the scope of their lawful duties as a federal official," according to the report.

      However, in this case, Trump's actions were "well outside the scope of his official duties," the report says.

      Trump and his allies have continued to promote baseless claims that the 2020 election was fraudulent.

      The former president is currently facing several criminal probes over his conduct while in office, as well as his personal finances.
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      A nice thought but the chances of charges being brought against this man for these reasons is fairly remote. Once again, an event that occurred in real life (unless of course it was some other corrupt asshole begging Raffensperger to "find" more votes for him) that probably won't see a day in court.
      Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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      • Originally posted by MSNBC

        Rudy Giuliani, Under Oath, Reveals Baseless Origins Of Trump Big Lie Claims
        01 October 2021

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        • Get these people under oath & the whole scam just evaporates.
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          • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
            We Still Won’t Admit Why So Many People Believe the Big Lie

            How could so many Americans believe in “the Big Lie?” We see the numbers and we shake our heads. Poll after poll shows that one third of all of us believe the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. Even though the matter has been adjudicated in scores of courts. Even though not a single scintilla of evidence exists that the election was anything but fair.
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            Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
            "Lies are easy and the Truth is hard"[/B]

            No wonder so many people admire and defend Donald Trump
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            Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
            How Donald Trump Plans to Overthrow American Democracy

            Unless we awaken, the American people may well be sleepwalking into an electoral coup d’etat.

            If their own words are to be believed, Donald Trump and his operatives have been preparing for the election heist for some time. The rough model will be the 2000 Bush V. Gore election, when, by a single vote, the Supreme Court halted the counting of ballots in Florida, thereby stealing the presidency for George W. Bush.
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            Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
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            This is the nightmare scenario that could put Trump in office for another 4 years...his brownshirts storming the polling centers, creating enough havoc and confusion to bring the whole mess before Trump and McConnell's kangaroo Supreme Court.
            I gotta hand it to ya Top, finding two conspiracy theory garbage stories, same source.
            One good virtuous (left wing) conspiracy, one bad damnable (right wing) conspiracy.
            Outlining institutional media bias in this way is genius.
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            In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

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            • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
              I gotta hand it to ya Top, finding two conspiracy theory garbage stories, same source.
              I gotta hand it to ya Pari, it took a couple days of digging, but you still managed to find a new way to troll. Bravo Zulu!
              Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                t took a couple days of digging,
                LoL, I'm in the middle of shoring up an international supply chain as my country yet again goes through a lock down. You are five minutes over a very early cup of coffee, or the thing that gets me off for a quick nap late afternoon before I cook dinner and spend time with my family.
                In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                Leibniz

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                • Georgia election official takes the fight to Trump

                  Donald Trump never wastes an opportunity to attack Georgia’s top statewide Republican officeholders for failing to help him overturn the 2020 election results in the key swing state.

                  Brad Raffensperger is the only one who refuses to shut up and take it.

                  Raffensperger, who has borne the brunt of Trump’s wrath as the top election official in the state, is running a damn-the-torpedoes reelection campaign that directly confronts the former president — even though it could cost him the GOP nomination.

                  In a party where Trump’s enemies tend to see their political careers abruptly ended, Raffensperger’s approach is being closely watched by Republicans within the state and outside.

                  “The last internal poll I saw said that 87 percent of Republican primary voters felt like the election was stolen,” said former Republican Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.). “With those kinds of numbers, I don’t see Brad getting through the primary.”

                  If Raffensperger isn’t Trump’s top GOP nemesis, he’s close to it. The Georgia secretary of state refused Trump’s requests to alter the state’s vote count and feuded with the former president over Trump’s baseless claims of widespread voter fraud. At one point, Raffensperger’s office secretly recorded Trump trying to persuade the secretary of state to “find” votes to make him the winner — a potential crime by Trump that local prosecutors are now investigating.

                  As a result, Trump has showered him with criticism for nearly a year, going so far as to call Raffensperger an “enemy of the people.”


                  Trump‘s obsession with Raffensperger shows no sign of fading. In July, the former president sent him a letter asking yet again to decertify the results of the 2020 election. As recently as two weeks ago, during a Georgia rally, Trump called Raffensperger “incompetent and strange.“

                  When Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.) — a staunch Trump ally — announced earlier this year he’d challenge Raffensperger in the primary, Trump immediately endorsed him.

                  Trump also had Hice give brief remarks at the September rally where the former president also trashed Gov. Brian Kemp, Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and state Attorney General Chris Carr — all Republicans who rebuffed Trump’s calls to overturn the election results.

                  Duncan, who has been critical of Trump, decided against running for another term and instead wrote a book about the future of the party. Kemp and Carr are seeking reelection next year along with Raffensperger, but have largely ignored the president’s attacks.

                  Raffensperger has taken a different tack.

                  After Trump used his rally to mock-endorse Democrat Stacey Abrams — who is expected to mount her second campaign for Georgia governor after refusing to formally concede her last race for the office three years ago — Raffensperger wrote a USA Today op-ed comparing Trump to Abrams.

                  Next month he’ll publish a book called “Integrity Counts,” billed by Simon & Schuster as Raffensperger’s “inspiring story of commitment to the integrity of American democracy.”

                  “We’re out there setting the record straight. No. 1 is that President Trump did not carry the state of Georgia,” Raffensperger told POLITICO, pointing to multiple recounts, reviews and investigations that confirmed the accuracy of the Georgia results.

                  Seth Bringman, a spokesperson for Abrams, swiped at Raffensperger for comparing her 2018 loss to Trump’s, saying that “Abrams succeeded in court to count more Georgians’ votes, with reputable attorneys presenting coherent arguments, and the courts agreed and counted those votes. It surprises us that Raffensperger equates counting eligible votes based on fact with throwing out the will of the people based on the Big Lie.”

                  Raffensperger’s op-ed, Bringman said, amounts to “attacking Stacey and pushing election subversion in a sad attempt to win the votes of the insurrectionist wing in his upcoming primary.”

                  Raffensperger’s frontal assault on Trump is widely viewed as a doomed strategy in a state where Trump dominates the GOP and majorities of Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen — a January poll showed only 45 percent of Republicans supported the secretary of state.

                  That survey was taken just after Republican incumbents lost their two U.S. Senate runoff races on Jan. 5. Both senators called on Raffensperger to resign at Trump’s insistence after he lost Georgia in November.

                  Speaking of Raffensperger’s confrontational approach toward Trump, Westmoreland said, “it’s probably not helpful in a primary. Republican voters think the election was stolen.” But he also said many Republicans were troubled with Trump’s rally comment that Abrams “might be better than having your existing governor.”

                  While Raffensperger acknowledges the difficulties he faces going forward, he said he has no choice but to speak out. He also did not fault Kemp or Carr for failing to denounce Trump’s efforts to overturn the election.

                  “It's a conundrum on how to respond to some statements [from Trump] when they're over the top, or they're said pejoratively,” Raffensperger said. “If the former president has endorsed Stacey Abrams, I would think that would be shocking for most Republicans. ”

                  Raffensperger said he has faith that voters will reward him for running a race “with integrity” and that “they understand that I'll make the hard, difficult calls of standing up … because it's easy to follow your integrity. It may not be fun. But the decision was easy, because it was based on the law, based on the Constitution, and based on the truth.”

                  Trump is expected to return to the state before the 2022 primaries, and he’s certain to trash Raffensperger again. Raffensperger said he’s comfortable continuing to push back against Trump if the situation warrants.

                  “I think it's always important to speak the truth,” he said. “I think it's always important to do that respectfully.”
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                  Supporting or defending Donald Trump is such an unforgivable moral failing that it calls every bit of your judgement and character into question. Nothing about you should be trusted if you can look at this man and find redeemable value

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                  • Oh look, Fulton county employees caught shredding voter applications..... in the middle of an investigation. Nothing to see here move along.

                    Fulton County election employees fired for allegedly shredding voter applications (msn.com)

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                    • Wisconsin investigation (special counsel) of the 2020 election is heating up.

                      Interviews with more than a dozen witnesses, officials and lawyers who have interacted with retired Justice Mike Gableman and his staff suggest a strong focus on the role election bureaucracies played in changing the rules — without legislative consent — for how ballots were sent out, filled out, collected and counted.,,, and.... Perhaps even more consequential, the commission gave its blessing to an idea first conceived by election clerks in the blue counties of Dane and Milwaukee that voters could claim the normally rare status of "indefinitely confined" if they were too scared to go out during the COVID outbreak. The change allowed nearly 250,000 people to vote by absentee without complying with required voter ID rules.

                      That advice, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled after the election, was unlawful.


                      Wisconsin's election probe zeroes in on Democrat machine tactics, rule changes | Just The News

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                      • Z,

                        The steps in Wisconsin were taken as a result of COVID. Says so right in the the story. Happened in a lot of places in the midst of the worse pandemic in a hundred years. From what I gathered from reading the story was local officials looked to state officials who advised these procedures were lawful in the face of the pandemic. Not sure of it was incorrect activity with no intent of malice or whether it is was case of nefarious activity.

                        As for the second story...the Elections Commission Administrator for Wisconsin said there were no formal complaints to her office, which is where those complaints go, prior to the election from any public official.


                        The story is from April of this year...anything newer which shows results of the investigation?
                        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                        Mark Twain

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                        • Alby, the WI story was updated Oct 11, 21.

                          Steps taken because of covid.... The WI Supreme Court said that was not good enough under state law. State law that per the Constitution is the sole source of election authority to decide the time, place and manner of elections.

                          WI seems to be another shit show like Fulton Co GA, supressing the Green Party, county officials using zuckbucks for targeted (partisan) vs generalized (non-partisan) get out the vote drives, illegal waiver of signature and ID requirements, illegal collection of votes from non authorized locations.... Nefarious or incompetence what is the difference? It does not matter why the dude in the cross walk got run over, what really matters is he got run over in a cross walk. BTW for Tinfoil, this is the same standard I use for J6. Intent is irrelevant, what matters is the actions.

                          The actions might not rise to the level of conspiracy, but they fuel Trump's claims that the election was rigged.

                          Of all the shit swirling around from Nov 2020, the Zuckbucks bug me the most. County election officials are supposed to be non-partisan, but they were engaged in partisan actions on behalf of a corporation/ billionaire's political agenda. A billionaire who then used his dominant social media position to throttle conservative speech and bury actual news relevant to the voters if it appeared to hurt the candidate he was backing.

                          Faith in elections means the rules when the game starts, stay the same until the final buzzer. Mid game changes to benefit one side are the opposite of building faith in elections.

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                          • The 2020 Election Wasn't Stolen, It Was Bought By Mark Zuckerberg (thefederalist.com)

                            Big CTCL and CEIR money had nothing to do with traditional campaign finance, lobbying, or other expenses that are related to increasingly expensive modern elections. It had to do with financing the infiltration of election offices at the city and county level by left-wing activists, and using those offices as a platform to implement preferred administrative practices, voting methods, and data-sharing agreements, as well as to launch intensive outreach campaigns in areas heavy with Democratic voters.

                            For instance, CTCL/CEIR funded self-described “vote navigators” in Wisconsin to “assist voters, potentially at their front doors, to answer questions, assist in ballot curing … and witness absentee ballot signatures,” and a temporary staffing agency affiliated with Stacey Abrams called “Happy Faces” counting the votes amidst the election night chaos in Fulton County, Georgia.

                            CTCL demanded the promotion of universal mail-in voting through suspending election laws, extending deadlines that favored mail-in over in-person voting, greatly expanding opportunities for “ballot curing,” expensive bulk mailings, and other lavish “community outreach” programs that were directed by private activists.

                            CTCL drove the proliferation of unmonitored private dropboxes (which created major chain of custody issues) and opportunities for novel forms of “mail-in ballot electioneering,” allowed for the submission of numerous questionable post-election-day ballots, and created opportunities for illegal ballot harvesting.

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                            • Originally posted by zraver View Post
                              Alby, the WI story was updated Oct 11, 21.

                              Steps taken because of covid.... The WI Supreme Court said that was not good enough under state law. State law that per the Constitution is the sole source of election authority to decide the time, place and manner of elections.

                              WI seems to be another shit show like Fulton Co GA, supressing the Green Party, county officials using zuckbucks for targeted (partisan) vs generalized (non-partisan) get out the vote drives, illegal waiver of signature and ID requirements, illegal collection of votes from non authorized locations.... Nefarious or incompetence what is the difference? It does not matter why the dude in the cross walk got run over, what really matters is he got run over in a cross walk. BTW for Tinfoil, this is the same standard I use for J6. Intent is irrelevant, what matters is the actions.

                              The actions might not rise to the level of conspiracy, but they fuel Trump's claims that the election was rigged.

                              Of all the shit swirling around from Nov 2020, the Zuckbucks bug me the most. County election officials are supposed to be non-partisan, but they were engaged in partisan actions on behalf of a corporation/ billionaire's political agenda. A billionaire who then used his dominant social media position to throttle conservative speech and bury actual news relevant to the voters if it appeared to hurt the candidate he was backing.

                              Faith in elections means the rules when the game starts, stay the same until the final buzzer. Mid game changes to benefit one side are the opposite of building faith in elections.
                              Frankly, I want to see ALL private money out of elections.

                              I think Citizen's United was wrongly determined.

                              We had some movement post-Watergate but it all went in the shitter pretty quickly.

                              I know a LOT of younger folks concur with getting the private money out of politics.

                              Zuckerberg, the Kochs...all need to go away.

                              As a private citizen, no problem. As a public entity/corporation, nope.
                              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                              Mark Twain

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                              • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

                                Frankly, I want to see ALL private money out of elections.

                                I think Citizen's United was wrongly determined.

                                We had some movement post-Watergate but it all went in the shitter pretty quickly.

                                I know a LOT of younger folks concur with getting the private money out of politics.

                                Zuckerberg, the Kochs...all need to go away.

                                As a private citizen, no problem. As a public entity/corporation, nope.
                                If you want to get money out of elections, ban K street and public sector union lobbying. What The Zuck did (he really is a malevolent force) was virtually privatize the collection and counting of votes.

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