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    • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

      Also, wasn't this the guy who said that California was turning from Blue to Purple?
      No, that was Aditya Satsangi. Guy who lives in CA, in a SUPER PAC and the one responsible for setting up the Howdy Modi meet in Houston. Possibly played a role in getting Trump over to India for a visit. So yeah, that's what he has to his credit. Why would i question him.

      He's a Trump promoter. What was his intent what that purple comment ? zinger or what he saw

      That comment did get some traction here.

      Your media declares Hillary the winner and then we learn she did not win.

      You'd think Trump would have lost by a much bigger margin if they were right.

      Rudy reminded us that the media in the US does not certify elections. Who knew such a process even existed.

      None of the commentators i followed to their credit referred to Biden as President elect until he was certified.

      Trump pursued all avenues available to contest the result. That people should understand and get over it now.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 14 Jan 21,, 15:24.

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      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

        No, that was Aditya Satsangi. Guy who lived in CA, in a SUPER PAC and the one responsible for setting up the Howdy Modi meet in Houston.

        He's a Trump promoter. What was his intent what that purple comment ? zinger or what he saw

        That comment did get some traction here.

        Why would i question him.

        Your media declares Hillary the winner and then we learn she did not win.

        Rudy had to reminded us that the media in the US does not certify the election.

        None of the commentators i followed to their credit referred to Biden as President elect until he was certified.
        The US media DID not call the election for Mrs. Clinton. I know, I watched it live.


        https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ction-clinton/


        By custom in the US the AP is seen as the news company which calls elections. It is based on % of returns, voting trends and likely outcomes. Everyone knows its not official but its pretty accurate.

        And why did the AP call PA for Biden?

        Simple...based on a) the already known results, b) # of outstanding ballots (absentee, usually from military overseas), c) where those remaining ballots are from.

        In PA Biden's lead was such that the number of outstanding votes didn't matter, they would not be in sufficient number to change the outcome.

        https://apnews.com/article/why-does-...48ea74b1c2f4dc

        And Giuliani didn't tell anyone anything which was not known....it was just one more thing where he was wrong about the entire election. And Rudy has his own issues...not to mention he may be disbarred.

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...er-falling-out


        “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
        Mark Twain

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        • Bill Barr told Trump that ‘clownish’ legal team was lying to him about ‘bull***’ voter fraud claims, reports say

          President Trump's former Attorney General Bill Barr called Mr Trump's legal team "clownish" and the president's claims that the election had been stolen from him "bull****," according to reporting by Axios.

          This was during a December meeting in the White House that Mr Trump had asked Mr Barr to attend after seeing a story by the Associated Press that quoted Mr Barr as saying "we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election".

          Mr Barr had been one of the most loyal members of Mr Trump’s administration, supporting his executive power at every turn and spinning the release of the Mueller report on Russian interference in the 2016 election in the best way possible for the president. But he would not go so far as to claim that there was widespread voter fraud when he couldn't see the evidence of it.

          Despite his loyalty to the president, the relationship between Mr Barr and Mr Trump was silently falling apart, Axios writes. Mr Barr left his post on December 23.

          Even Mr Trump's most loyal lieutenants thought that he had got too deep into the conspiracy theories and alternative reality espoused by his legal team led by Mr Trump's personal lawyer and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

          Trump news - live: Inauguration rehearsal evacuated and Capitol under lockdown over nearby fire

          As the summer of 2020 was coming to a close, Mr Trump wanted to push back hard on the ongoing Black Lives Matter protests, some of which had devolved into violence and looting.

          The Washington Post reported in October that over 96 per cent of last summer's Black Lives Matter events were peaceful, involving no property damage or injuries to police officers.

          Mr Trump wanted to invoke the Insurrection Act and send troops into the street. Mr Barr was the one who ended up having to push back on the president's instincts. Both the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley and Defense Secretary Mark Esper did not want the military involved.

          During a meeting in the Oval Office in the middle of August, Mr Trump told Mr Barr to facilitate a show of strength in Portland where protests raged. Mr Barr didn't budge. Slamming his fist on his desk, Mr Trump yelled "No one supports me. No one gives me any f****** support," Axios writes.

          Mr Barr looked at chief of staff Mark Meadows, and said: "Well that went well."

          It was the disagreement between Mr Trump and Mr Barr about how forceful they should be in their response to the summer's protests that slowly made their relationship disintegrate. Mr Barr was avoiding the president as best he could by the time September came around.

          In the middle of October, leading up to the election on November 3, Mr Trump was urging Mr Barr to appoint a special counsel to investigate Hunter Biden, then-Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's son who had sat on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, during the time that his father had been President Obama's vice president. Hunter Biden was being paid up to $50,000 dollars a month and conservatives argued that he was taking advantage of his father position of political power. The Department of Justice was already investigating Hunter Biden, but in keeping with department policy, Mr Barr kept it secret.

          After the election, conspiracy theories of fraud took up most of the president's attention and he bashed his own Justice Department, saying they were "missing in action," when it came to investigating voter fraud. The department was investigating voter fraud, it just hadn't found any evidence. Mr Barr, in a rage because of Mr Trump's claims that he was skirting his responsibilities, told the Associated Press they had found no evidence of widespread fraud.

          After having seen the story, Mr Trump spoke of himself in the third person to Mr Barr, saying: "Why would you say such a thing? You must hate Trump. There’s no other reason for it. You must hate Trump,"
          Axios reports.

          Mr Barr said: "These things aren't panning out. The stuff that these people are filling your ear with just isn’t true.” Mr Barr told Mr Trump that the Department of Justice was looking at the claims of his legal team. "It's just bull****," Mr Barr said.

          Mr Barr said that Mr Trump's legal team was doing an awful job, adding: "I'm a pretty informed legal observer and I can't f****** figure out what the theory is here. It's just scattershot. It's all over the hill and gone."

          "Maybe," Mr Trump said in response.
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          Like a petulant toddler that can't get his way. Shocking.
          “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
          ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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          • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
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            Like a petulant toddler that can't get his way. Shocking.
            Who....Barr or Trump?

            Cause I think it fits both.

            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
            Mark Twain

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            • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

              Who....Barr or Trump?

              Cause I think it fits both.
              Either and/or both!
              “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
              ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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              • Sen. Rand Paul continues making unsubstantiated claims of 2020 election fraud

                Days after President Joe Biden took office and the Democrats took control of the U.S. Senate, Sen. Rand Paul wouldn't say Sunday that the 2020 election wasn't stolen and called for an investigation of fraud without providing evidence.

                "Sen. Paul, let me begin with a threshold question for you. This election was not stolen, do you accept that fact?" ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos asked Paul on "This Week."

                He responded, "The debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur, we never had any presentation in court where we actually looked at the evidence. Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question."

                When pressed by Stephanopoulos the lack of evidence behind his claims, Paul pushed back.

                "There were lots of problems and there were secretaries of state, who illegally changed the law and that needs to be fixed, and I'm going to work harder to fix it and I will not be cowed by people say, 'oh, you're a liar,'" Paul told Stephanopoulos.


                Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., responded to Paul's remarks in a separate interview on "This Week."

                "As I listened to Rand Paul, George, I just kept thinking, 'man, this is why Joe Biden won,'" she told Stephanopoulos.

                "American people right now are struggling. They need pandemic relief," Klobuchar continued. "I thoroughly believe that we can handle this impeachment trial and -- just as the American people are doing -- juggle what we need to get done."

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                Always nice to see that Rand Paul's priorities are in order.
                “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                  Sen. Rand Paul continues making unsubstantiated claims of 2020 election fraud

                  Days after President Joe Biden took office and the Democrats took control of the U.S. Senate, Sen. Rand Paul wouldn't say Sunday that the 2020 election wasn't stolen and called for an investigation of fraud without providing evidence.

                  "Sen. Paul, let me begin with a threshold question for you. This election was not stolen, do you accept that fact?" ABC News Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos asked Paul on "This Week."

                  He responded, "The debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur, we never had any presentation in court where we actually looked at the evidence. Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question."

                  When pressed by Stephanopoulos the lack of evidence behind his claims, Paul pushed back.

                  "There were lots of problems and there were secretaries of state, who illegally changed the law and that needs to be fixed, and I'm going to work harder to fix it and I will not be cowed by people say, 'oh, you're a liar,'" Paul told Stephanopoulos.


                  Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., responded to Paul's remarks in a separate interview on "This Week."

                  "As I listened to Rand Paul, George, I just kept thinking, 'man, this is why Joe Biden won,'" she told Stephanopoulos.

                  "American people right now are struggling. They need pandemic relief," Klobuchar continued. "I thoroughly believe that we can handle this impeachment trial and -- just as the American people are doing -- juggle what we need to get done."

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                  Always nice to see that Rand Paul's priorities are in order.
                  Can't understand what the people of Kentucky see in this guy? I know I can't. He seems to be a nut case politician. Probably was a nut case ophthalmologist who I wouldn't refer a patient to. About the only real skill I see he has is the ability to not answer a direct question but to turn his answer into a question and obfuscate. He has obfuscate down pat.

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                  • Rep. Madison Cawthorn, Totally Shredded On CNN, Admits He Has Nothing On Vote 'Fraud'

                    Controversial freshman Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) was so throughly schooled by CNN host Pamela Brown Saturday over his fact-free claims of election fraud that he did a full capitulation on the spot.

                    This is the same lawmaker who urged Trump supporters in a speech late last year to “threaten” politicians and warn them: “I’m coming after you” while demanding that American voters’ choice for president be overturned. Cawthorn also rallied the Trump supporters against the election before they stormed the building Jan. 6. He later revealed he was armed that day.

                    Brown pressed the lawmaker on his reasons for contesting the presidential electoral votes in Congress. Cawthorn claimed that an official was “ballot harvesting” in the “parks” of Wisconsin.

                    Brown pointed out that no court had supported any of the baseless arguments about election fraud — including courts with judges appointed by Donald Trump.

                    “Indeed, I believe specifically — and this is the one that I debated on behalf of, on the House floor — in Wisconsin that was never heard because they dismissed it because of standing. Now I don’t believe that is a concrete enough of a way to dismiss it,” Cawthorn attempted to clarify.

                    Pressed again to provide at least one specific example of election fraud, he responded, bizarrely: “Like I said, that’s not the reason I contested the election.”

                    Brown snapped: “So you wanted to throw out millions of votes without actually seeing any concrete evidence of fraud?”

                    Cawthorn then claimed he challenged the votes to “hold up the Constitution.”

                    Brown also nailed Cawthorn for saying he has issues with changes to election rules in other states when his own state of North Carolina made similar changes because of the pandemic.

                    “I’m not aware of the laws that were changed inside of North Carolina,” he explained in a jaw-dropping admission.
                    Nevertheless, he deemed the election very “safe and secure” in his state, which voted for Trump.

                    At long last, Cawthorn admitted: “I think I would say the election was not fraudulent. The Constitution allowed for us to be able to push back as much as we could, and I did that to the ... constitutional limits that I had at my disposal. So now I would say that Joseph R. Biden is our president."


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                    This clown reminds me of Kelso from That 70's Show...only not nearly as intelligent.
                    “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                    ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                    • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
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                      This clown reminds me of Kelso from That 70's Show...only not nearly as intelligent.
                      Watch me catch sh!t for this. He is a Millennial who thinks he knows more than he does at 25.

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                      • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

                        Watch me catch sh!t for this. He is a Millennial who thinks he knows more than he does at 25.
                        Based on voter age demographics, we don't claim him.
                        "Draft beer, not people."

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                        • Watchdog probes if DOJ officials tried to overturn election

                          WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department’s inspector general is launching an investigation to examine whether any former or current department officials “engaged in an improper attempt” to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

                          Inspector General Michael Horowitz said Monday that the investigation will investigate allegations concerning the conduct of former and current Justice Department officials but will not extend to other government officials.

                          The Justice Department watchdog investigation follows a report in The New York Times that a former assistant attorney general, Jeffrey Clark, had been discussing a plan with then-President Donald Trump to oust the acting attorney general and try to challenge the results of the 2020 race by falsely saying there had been widespread election fraud.

                          Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer demanded the inspector general launch a probe “into this attempted sedition." The New York Democrat said it was “unconscionable a Trump Justice Department leader would conspire to subvert the people’s will.”

                          The watchdog's probe is part of a growing number of efforts underway to investigate the attempts by Trump and his allies to subvert the election results. The moves culminated in a deadly Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol and a second impeachment of Trump, this time for inciting an insurrection. Also on Monday, the voting machine company Dominion Systems filed a defamation suit against Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani for his repeatedly false claims about widespread voting fraud in the election.

                          Election officials across the country, along with Trump's former attorney general, William Barr, have confirmed there was no widespread fraud in the election. Republican governors in Arizona and Georgia, key battleground states won by Democrat Joe Biden, also vouched for the integrity of the elections in their states. Nearly all the legal challenges from Trump and his allies have been dismissed by judges, including two tossed by the U.S. Supreme Court.
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                          “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                          ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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