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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Julie View Post

    Considering there was no "blue wave" like the Democrats stated there would be.
    I don't believe the blue wave was referring to California at all...

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    Michael Flynn: Donald Trump beat Joe Biden in a 'massive landslide'

    Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, denied the outcome of the recent White House race in a rare interview released Saturday billed as his first since being pardoned.

    Mr. Flynn, whom Mr. Trump pardoned Wednesday, said he believes Mr. Trump won his race for reelection contrary to it being called for Democratic rival Joseph R. Biden.

    “There is no doubt in my mind that he won this election. Hands down. In a landslide,” Flynn said about Mr. Trump during a phone interview that was uploaded to the internet afterward.

    “I believe that at the end of the day we’re going to find out that he won by a massive landslide and he’ll be inaugurated come this January,” Flynn stated later during the interview.

    Mr. Flynn made the comments while appearing on Worldview Weekend, a talk show hosted by a conspiracy theorist named Brannon Howse, who also runs a website of the same name.

    The interview was done after Mr. Trump pardoned Flynn and was touted by the site as the first the former national security adviser conducted since being cleared by the president Wednesday.

    Mr. Flynn had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his interactions with a Russian government official that happened in the period in-between Mr. Trump being elected in 2016 and taking office in 2017.

    Mr. Flynn later tried to withdraw that plea and the U.S. Department of Justice later moved to drop its case. That decision was under review when Mr. Trump intervened earlier this week.

    Mr. Trump issued the lame duck pardon of Flynn, who left his administration in early 2017, with under two months before Inauguration Day when his presidency is set to expire and Mr. Biden’s begins.

    Despite the White House race being called for Mr. Biden, the presumptive president-elect, Mr. Trump has not accepted defeat and alleges instead to have been the victim of a vast conspiracy.

    Lawyers for Mr. Trump and his campaign are accordingly pursuing efforts to overturn the results of the presidential race in several states where they allege fraud occurred.

    Mr. Flynn, a 61-year-old retired Army lieutenant general, said during the interview that he believes Mr. Trump still has “paths to victory” despite voting having ended more than three weeks earlier.
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    Speaking of gestures of fealty to the cult leader

    Of course, this clown is also a conspiracy theorist, so he probably sincerely believes what he's saying is the truth.
    and he was a General!? I assume he believes the Democrats tried to pollute his precious bodily fluids. Bada bing bada boom, and let her Rip...

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  • Julie
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

    Steam rolled I don't see. Dems had 45 seats up and 3 were flipped. Two other seats were open with no incumbent that the Republicans won. One of those flipped seats went back to the Republicans having been a Republican seat since 1993 except these last two years so no surprise there. The other two are Korean women who won as Republicans with one being a RINO based on her stands on DACA and chain immigration to start. The other is more on the nut case side being against masks for any reason.
    Considering there was no "blue wave" like the Democrats stated there would be.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Julie View Post
    Georgia voter here! On the flip side, the Democrats got steam rolled in California.
    Steam rolled I don't see. Dems had 45 seats up and 3 were flipped. Two other seats were open with no incumbent that the Republicans won. One of those flipped seats went back to the Republicans having been a Republican seat since 1993 except these last two years so no surprise there. The other two are Korean women who won as Republicans with one being a RINO based on her stands on DACA and chain immigration to start. The other is more on the nut case side being against masks for any reason.

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  • TopHatter
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    GOP congressman calls party's refusal to acknowledge Biden's win a 'massive grift' and says Trump 'forgot he was serving people and not himself'

    GOP Rep. Denver Riggleman of Virginia slammed President Donald Trump and congressional Republicans in a recent interview with Forbes, calling the party's large-scale refusal to acknowledge President-elect Joe Biden's victory a "massive grift" and saying that Trump has "never served anything but himself."

    Riggleman, an outgoing congressman and one of a handful of House Republicans who are openly acknowledging Biden's presidential win, said that the current posturing by the party is "just money-making for the 2024 election" and "completely unethical."

    The conservative congressman said that the fear of Trump's wrath was motivating many House Republicans to prioritize their individual careers over accepting the election results.

    "They're worried about committee assignments, they're worried about the team," Riggleman said of Republicans who are standing with the president. Trump, Riggleman said, can "cost them their careers" and for many members, "the career is more important than the facts, it's that simple."

    On November 23, after weeks of delaying the transition plans of President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, General Services Administration (GSA) head Emily Murphy finally "ascertained" Biden as the winner of the election. Murphy received a torrent of criticism regarding the delay, which held up millions of dollars in federal funds for Biden and Harris.

    In the Forbes interview, Riggleman let loose on Murphy, saying that "she should've done this well before she did it" and said that the delay was the result of a "fear of losing your tribe."

    He added: "I'm so damn sick of it. I'm sick of it."

    While Trump has filed a litany of unsuccessful lawsuits across the country to support his last-ditch legal efforts in overturning Biden's 306-232 Electoral College victory, Riggleman criticized Republicans who believe the claims of mass voter fraud, saying that it "really speaks to where your intelligence level is...to believe in that type of operation."

    Riggleman had even harsher words for Trump.

    "He got so desperate to retain power that he forgot he was serving people and not himself," Riggleman said, adding that the president has "never served anything but himself, when you talk about his businesses and what he's done."

    The congressman said that Trump was "irresponsible" for "embracing theories and groups that are dehumanizing and have an anti-Semitic base," along with "groups that are just anti-American."

    During his time in office, Riggleman has been highly critical of the QAnon movement, which promotes an array of unfounded internet-based conspiracy theories. In September, he introduced a bipartisan House resolution with Democratic Rep. Tom Malinowski of New Jersey that condemned the movement. It passed overwhelmingly, by a 371-18 vote.

    Riggleman also offered words of praise to Biden, calling him "a steady hand" whose political appointees can "ensure this country stays on a relatively stable path." He even said that he'd be open to working for the incoming Democratic administration.

    "It would have to be something where I'm serving this country and not sort of a token position," Riggleman said, pointing out his background in defense and counterterrorism issues.

    Riggleman, a first-term lawmaker representing Virginia's 5th Congressional district, was defeated in his June renomination bid by former Liberty University Athletic Department staffer Bob Good in a controversial outdoor drive-through convention. In the November election, Good defeated Democratic nominee Cameron Webb for the open seat in a closely fought race.

    In October, Riggleman appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press," lamenting the state of American politics. On the program, he said it was "difficult" to be a part of any political party right now.

    "I'm a Republican, what I thought a constitutional Republican was, but the way the GOP is going in Virginia, it's very difficult for me to stay with any party," he said. "I believe duopoly is really, the two-party system is really failing the American people right now."
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  • TopHatter
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    Pennsylvania high court throws out challenge to mail-in ballots
    The plaintiffs lacked "due diligence" in a claim that could have disenfranchised millions of voters, the state Supreme Court said.

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court on Saturday rejected an election challenge spearheaded by U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly, who argued that a law permitting no-excuse mail voting violated the state Constitution.

    Kelly, along with several other Pennsylvania Republicans, sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes, which could have ceded a key state won by President-Elect Joe Biden to President Donald Trump.

    The ruling said, "Petitioners sought to invalidate the ballots of the millions of Pennsylvania voters who utilized the mail-in voting procedures. ... Alternatively, Petitioners advocated the extraordinary proposition that the court disenfranchise all 6.9 million Pennsylvanians who voted in the General Election and instead 'direct the General Assembly to choose Pennsylvania’s electors.'"

    The high court ruled no on all counts and said, "All other outstanding motions are dismissed as moot." It said the claim could have resulted in the "disenfranchisement" of millions of voters.

    A spokesman for Kelly did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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  • TopHatter
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    Michael Flynn: Donald Trump beat Joe Biden in a 'massive landslide'

    Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, denied the outcome of the recent White House race in a rare interview released Saturday billed as his first since being pardoned.

    Mr. Flynn, whom Mr. Trump pardoned Wednesday, said he believes Mr. Trump won his race for reelection contrary to it being called for Democratic rival Joseph R. Biden.

    “There is no doubt in my mind that he won this election. Hands down. In a landslide,” Flynn said about Mr. Trump during a phone interview that was uploaded to the internet afterward.

    “I believe that at the end of the day we’re going to find out that he won by a massive landslide and he’ll be inaugurated come this January,” Flynn stated later during the interview.

    Mr. Flynn made the comments while appearing on Worldview Weekend, a talk show hosted by a conspiracy theorist named Brannon Howse, who also runs a website of the same name.

    The interview was done after Mr. Trump pardoned Flynn and was touted by the site as the first the former national security adviser conducted since being cleared by the president Wednesday.

    Mr. Flynn had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his interactions with a Russian government official that happened in the period in-between Mr. Trump being elected in 2016 and taking office in 2017.

    Mr. Flynn later tried to withdraw that plea and the U.S. Department of Justice later moved to drop its case. That decision was under review when Mr. Trump intervened earlier this week.

    Mr. Trump issued the lame duck pardon of Flynn, who left his administration in early 2017, with under two months before Inauguration Day when his presidency is set to expire and Mr. Biden’s begins.

    Despite the White House race being called for Mr. Biden, the presumptive president-elect, Mr. Trump has not accepted defeat and alleges instead to have been the victim of a vast conspiracy.

    Lawyers for Mr. Trump and his campaign are accordingly pursuing efforts to overturn the results of the presidential race in several states where they allege fraud occurred.

    Mr. Flynn, a 61-year-old retired Army lieutenant general, said during the interview that he believes Mr. Trump still has “paths to victory” despite voting having ended more than three weeks earlier.
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    Speaking of gestures of fealty to the cult leader

    Of course, this clown is also a conspiracy theorist, so he probably sincerely believes what he's saying is the truth.

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by Julie View Post
    The resolution does not specify how the state or presidential electors would be determined if the resolution were to pass.

    The resolution has not yet been voted on by either the state House or Senate. It is not expected to get a vote before lawmakers' terms end on Monday.

    Lt. Gov. John Fetterman told KDKA last week that if the votes are not certified in Pennsylvania by Monday, Nov. 30, there will be no members of the state House and half the state Senate will not be in office as that is when their terms expire.

    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...ts-resolution/
    Trump's scorched earth strategy appears to contagious. This resolution is utterly pointless, it's just a gesture of fealty to the cult leader.

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  • Julie
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    Pennsylvania Republican Lawmakers Introduce Resolution Disputing 2020 Election Results

    The legislators allege that the election results were certified "prematurely" due to ongoing lawsuits surrounding the results.

    HARRISBURG (KDKA) — Pennsylvania Republican lawmakers have introduced a resolution intending to dispute the 2020 election results on Friday.

    The resolution intends to declare the 2020 election results as being “in dispute,” delay the certification of votes from Pennsylvania for both the state and presidential races and asks for the U.S. Congress to also declare the 2020 presidential race to be in dispute.

    The legislators contend that a multitude of factors put the election results in dispute, including the extension of the mail-in ballot deadline and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s ruling that loosened restrictions regarding signature authentication. They also accuse Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar of certifying the results of the election “prematurely… despite ongoing litigation.”

    The resolution does not specify how the state or presidential electors would be determined if the resolution were to pass.

    The resolution is sponsored by Rep. Russ Diamond, Rep. Eric R. Nelson, Rep. Paul Schemel, Rep. Greg Rothman, Rep. Francis X. Ryan, Rep. Dawn W. Keefer, Rep. Mike Jones, Rep. David H. Rowe, Rep. Michael J. Puskaric, Rep. Barbara Gleim, Rep. Bud Cook, Rep. Cris Dush, Rep. Stephanie Borowicz, Rep. David H. Zimmerman, Rep. Daryl D. Metcalfe, Rep. David M. Maloney, Sr., Rep. Dan Moul, Rep. Brad Roae, Rep. Kathy L. Rapp, Rep. Jim Cox, Rep. Rob W. Kauffman, Rep. Matthew Dowling, Rep. Eric Davanzo, Rep. Rich Irvin, Aaron Berstine and Rep. Andrew Lewis.

    The resolution has not yet been voted on by either the state House or Senate. It is not expected to get a vote before lawmakers’ terms end on Monday.

    Lt. Gov. John Fetterman told KDKA last week that if the votes are not certified in Pennsylvania by Monday, Nov. 30, there will be no members of the state House and half the state Senate will not be in office as that is when their terms expire.

    https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020...ts-resolution/

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by Julie View Post
    Georgia voter here! On the flip side, the Democrats got steam rolled in California.
    So glad you're back!

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  • Julie
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    Georgia voter here! On the flip side, the Democrats got steam rolled in California.

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  • JRT
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    Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
    ...Trump paid for a recount... Great way to burn $3 million.

    Originally posted by Campaign_Legal_Center

    Who Is Paying for Trump’s Lawsuits and Recounts?

    by Brendan Fischer
    10 November 2020

    The 2020 election cost a record-breaking $14 billion—but legal costs are continuing to pile up in the wake of Election Day, with the Trump campaign filing longshot lawsuits across the country and recounts planned in multiple states.

    Who is footing the bill?

    For the most part, these legal and recount expenses will be covered by the Republican National Committee (RNC) and the Trump campaign. The money will likely be drawn from three separate sources.

    First, the RNC (as well as its Democratic counterpart, the Democratic National Committee (DNC)), has a segregated account for legal and recount expenses. The RNC’s and DNC’s legal accounts can accept individual donations of up to $106,500 each.

    Over the past few years, the RNC and the DNC have raised countless millions for their legal accounts, in part through wealthy donors writing six- or seven-figure checks to joint fundraising committees like Trump Victory, with a portion of those checks deposited into the party’s legal account.

    Second, FEC regulations allow candidates to set up a separate recount account, or a separate authorized committee, subject to the same limits that apply to their campaign ($2,800 from an individual, $5,000 from a PAC). Individual donors who maxed-out to the Trump or Biden campaign during the election may give an additional $2,800 to the Trump or Biden recount account.

    Third, candidates may use any campaign money left over from the 2020 election to cover post-election legal and recount expenses. The Trump campaign, however, appears to be out of money and ended the 2020 campaign in debt.

    Trump and Biden Raising Money, Citing Post-Election Litigation

    Trump has been fundraising furiously since the election, with emails and texts almost hourly soliciting contributions to Trump’s “official election defense fund” or the “election defense task force.” But in the week following the election, the fine print on the fundraising appeals showed that 60% of all donations would go toward paying down Trump’s 2020 campaign debt.

    Only those donors who maxed-out to Trump’s 2020 campaign would see any of their money go to Trump’s recount account.

    Contributions towards Trump’s campaign debt count towards the 2020 general election contribution limits; a donor who already gave the $2,800 legal maximum to Trump’s 2020 campaign could not give more towards debt retirement.

    For those donors who maxed-out to Trump’s 2020 campaign, 60% of each check to the “official election defense fund” instead went toward Trump’s recount account, up to $2,800.

    On Nov. 10, the small print changed: now 60% of every donation goes to Trump’s new leadership PAC, “Save America.” Only after a donor gives the $5,000 legal maximum to Save America would any portion of their contribution go to Trump’s recount account.

    The remainder of every check, 40% goes to the RNC, up to the legal maximum of $35,500. Only donors who’ve maxed out to the RNC will have their contributions deposited in the party’s legal and headquarters accounts, each of which can accept contributions of up to $106,500.

    Biden, for his part, has created a new joint fundraising committee, “Biden Fight Fund.” Fundraising solicitations show that donations first go to the DNC’s general account and legal fund, up to $142,000, with the next $2,800 going to Biden’s recount fund. The Biden campaign does not appear to have any debt from the 2020 election.

    How much money could they need for election litigation?

    Tweetable quote:The costs of post-election litigation can be difficult to assess; the expenses will primarily consist of attorney’s fees, plus some legal filing fees and travel costs. Tweet this quote.Those disbursements should be disclosed on the RNC’s and Trump campaign’s post-general election reports, due on Dec. 3, 2020.

    Costs associated with recounts vary state-by-state.

    In Wisconsin, the campaign that requests a recount pays for it. The recount of Wisconsin’s 2016 presidential vote cost approximately $3.5 million and changed the final tally by just 131 votes. Trump has declared an intention to request a recount in Wisconsin and will be on the hook for the recount fees.

    In Georgia, when the vote margin is less than 0.5%--which appears to be the case for the 2020 presidential race—the state will cover the recount costs.

    But that hasn’t stopped the Trump campaign from raising money for an “Official Georgia Recount Fund,” with 60% of every check going towards 2020 debt retirement.

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  • Bigfella
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    One of the two Wisconsin counties Trump paid for a recount in has finished counting. Biden's margin increased by about 120 votes. It seems unlikely the other county will provide anything of value for Trump. Great way to burn $3 million.

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  • Albany Rifles
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    Oh, and they also rules the Trump Campaign has to pay the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania’s court costs.

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