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  • TopHatter
    US Supreme Court asked to block Biden win in Pennsylvania

    HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Republicans attempting to undo President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to take up their lawsuit, three days after it was thrown out by the highest court in the battleground state.

    In the request to the U.S. Supreme Court, Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly of northwestern Pennsylvania and the other plaintiffs are asking the court to prevent the state from certifying any contests from the Nov. 3 election, and undo any certifications already made, such as Biden’s victory.

    They maintain that Pennsylvania’s expansive vote-by-mail law is unconstitutional because it required a constitutional amendment to authorize its provisions.

    Biden beat President Donald Trump by more than 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania, a state Trump had won in 2016.

    Pennsylvania's Supreme Court on Saturday night threw out the lawsuit, including an order by a lower court judge blocking the certification of any uncertified races.

    Justices cited the law's 180-day time limit on filing legal challenges to its provisions, as well as the staggering demand that an entire election be overturned retroactively.

    In the state's courts, Kelly and the other Republican plaintiffs had sought to either throw out the 2.5 million mail-in ballots submitted under the law — most of them by Democrats — or to wipe out the election results and direct the state’s Republican-controlled Legislature to pick Pennsylvania’s presidential electors.


    If the Trump-packed SCOTUS declines to hear this case, I'd love to see who voted which way, yes or no.

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  • astralis
    Well, when the Republican-controlled legislatures of those jurisdictions slash funding for elections, what the hell do they expect is going to happen?
    or, like in Pennsylvania, when the Republican-controlled legislature says you can't start counting early votes until Election Day...

    you know, I'm enjoying the Sidney Powell/Lin Wood show as they urge their fellow Republicans not to vote in Georgia.

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  • TopHatter
    Lou Dobbs Rages At William Barr, Suggests He Might Be 'Compromised' Or 'Ill'

    Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs fumed on Tuesday after William Barr said there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the recent election, and suggested that the attorney general must have been “compromised” or unwell to have said such a thing.

    Dobbs, who has devotedly parroted Trump’s baseless “stolen election” claims since his loss to Democrat Joe Biden, went at Barr with full force even though Barr ― a loyal Trump ally himself ― waited nearly a month after the Nov. 3 election to publicly state that no evidence had been unearthed to support the president’s claims the election had been rigged.

    “For the attorney general of the United States to make that statement, he is either a liar or a fool or both,” Dobbs declared. “He may be, uh, perhaps compromised. He may be simply unprincipled. Or he may be personally distraught or ill.”

    The “Lou Dobbs Tonight” host also complained that Barr was joining in with the “radical Dems and the deep state and the resistance” by announcing the Justice Department had failed to find any proof of wrongdoing in the election.

    Barr told The Associated Press on Tuesday that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been following up on specific complaints and information they’ve received but that, “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election.”

    The Trump campaign and the president’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani have been on a crusade alleging a nationwide conspiracy by Democrats and other hidden players to rig the election for Biden, who received 6 million more votes than the president and reaped 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232. These unsubstantiated claims have repeatedly been dismissed and debunked in the courts, by bipartisan election officials and now by the Justice Department.

    It’s particularly striking that Dobbs would allege Barr is working against the president, but his claims were no more outrageous than other disinformation he’s shared on his show in the past. His segments about Trump routinely earn him comparisons to state television propaganda in North Korea.

    Couldn't decide if this post belongs in this thread or in surfgun's Deranged Trump Followers thread....

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  • TopHatter
    Barr’s future in doubt after Giuliani and Trump campaign blast him for denying widespread election fraud

    Attorney General William Barr was seen entering the White House shortly after telling the Associated Press the Justice Department has found no evidence of the widespread voter fraud Donald Trump and his legal team have alleged.

    “There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that,” Mr Barr told the wire service, also referring to the Department of Homeland Security.

    The top Senate Democrat, with a wide smile, pounced on the attorney general’s comment as he noted others in the Trump administration who have spoken in contradiction to the president’s talk of a “rigged” election have been ousted.

    "I guess he's the next one to be fired," Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters.

    Mr Trump claimed earlier in the day his camp has located “truckloads” of illegal votes for President-elect Joe Biden. His camp, however, has yet to reveal any evidence of voter fraud.

    That has been pointed out by multiple federal judges, including ones appointed by Mr Trump and other Republican presidents. Those and other judges have tossed dozens of Trump team lawsuits, which do not actually allege voter fraud.

    Still, ever ones – like their client – to punch back, two of the president’s legal team members quickly blasted Mr Barr.

    “there hasn’t been any semblance of a Department of Justice investigation. We have gathered ample evidence of illegal voting in at least six states, which they have not examined. We have many witnesses swearing under oath they saw crimes being committed in connection with voter fraud. As far as we know, not a single one has been interviewed by the DOJ. The Justice Department also hasn’t audited any voting machines or used their subpoena powers to determine the truth,” Trump lawyers Rudolph Giuliani and Jenna Ellis said in a statement.

    “Nonetheless, we will continue our pursuit of the truth through the judicial system and state legislatures, and continue toward the Constitution’s mandate and ensuring that every legal vote is counted and every illegal vote is not," the duo added. "Again, with the greatest respect to the Attorney General, his opinion appears to be without any knowledge or investigation of the substantial irregularities and evidence of systemic fraud.”

    Attorneys general routinely visit the West Wing for long-planned meetings on any number of topics. A White House spokeswoman had not responded to a request for comment on why Mr Barr is there on Tuesday afternoon.

    "Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

    Well I'll be seein' ya Billy Boy. Drop me a line now, will ya?

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  • Albany Rifles
    I am not ashamed to admit I love the movie The Bridges of Edison County....

    BTW, isn't Bowling Green located in Edison County?

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  • TopHatter
    A witness in Trump ally Sidney Powell's lawsuits says the voting results in 'Edison County' indicate fraud. No such place exists.

    A witness in a lawsuit from allies of President Donald Trump trying to overturn democracy in Michigan said that the vote count in Edison County "are cause for concern and indicate fraud" because President-elect Joe Biden won "more than 100% of the votes."

    There's just one problem: There is no Edison County in Michigan,
    the Detroit Free Press pointed out.

    In fact, there is no Edison County in the entire United States of America.

    The claim comes from Navid Keshavarz-Nia, who describes himself in the affidavit as a cybersecurity expert working at a defense contractor and has received training from several government agencies. The affidavit is included as an exhibit appended to a lawsuit filed last week by people working with Sidney Powell, a former member of the Trump campaign's legal team.

    Keshavarz-Nia's nonsensical claim about Edison County drew widespread attention with a tweet from Jonathan Oosting, a reporter at the nonprofit news organization Bridge Michigan.

    The typo-peppered lawsuit makes many of the same wildly conspiratorial arguments Powell made at a press conference that led to her ouster from Trump's legal team: That the now-dead Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez used voting machines to manipulate election results in his own country, and the very same machines are now being used to manipulate 2020 election results. There's no evidence of the claim, and the companies named in Powell's lawsuits have debunked the arguments made in her lawsuits.

    The witness says he hasn't actually looked at the voting machines
    In the affidavit, Keshavarz-Nia sais he has not analyzed any of the voting machines used in the 2020 election but argued there's "evidence of fraud" based on his analysis of election data.

    Much of that data is simply false or based on a misunderstanding of how election data is reported.

    It's not clear if Keshavarz-Nia had another county in mind when referring to a vote count of more than 100% in "Edison County," but some internet sleuths have made claims about more than 100% of particular counties voting by relying on outdated voter record information or simply using the wrong datasets, USA Today and Reuters have reported.

    In another part of the affidavit, Keshavarz-Nia writes that President Donald Trump's lead in Pennsylvania dropped at a rate faster than votes can be counted. But the votes were simply reported by precincts in the timespan he indicates, not actually counted at that time.

    Even though Keshavarz-Nia testified to not analyzing the machines used in the 2020 election, Powell's lawsuit cites his affidavit to argue that "hundreds of thousands of votes that were cast for President Trump in the 2020 general election were transferred to former Vice-President Biden" — which is not true.

    The lawsuit ultimately asks a federal judge to force Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to ignore voters and "transmit certified election results that state that President Donald Trump is the winner of the election."

    Michigan has already certified its election results, granting its 16 electoral votes to Biden. The Trump campaign itself withdrew a federal lawsuit trying to challenge the state's election results, and three other lawsuits filed by Republican-aligned groups failed, with the judges overseeing the cases finding no evidence of fraud.

    Keshavarz-Nia couldn't be reached for comment, and Powell did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

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  • TopHatter
    Trump Lawyer: DHS Whistleblower Should Be Executed
    During Newsmax call-in Joe diGenova said Chris Krebs should be put to death

    On Monday President Trump’s campaign lawyer and former U.S. Attorney Joe diGenova said that fired Trump cybersecurity chief Chris Krebs should be executed for saying that the election was the “most secure in United States history.”

    DiGenova, appearing on the Howie Carr show, which simulcasts on Newsmax, took aim at Krebs as an aside during a wheels-off segment full of false claims about how the United States election had been rigged.

    “Anybody who thinks the election went well, like that idiot Krebs who used to be the head of cybersecurity [for Trump]. That guy is a class A moron. He should be drawn and quartered. Taken out at dawn and shot,” diGenova said.

    This is not just a random Parler troll trying to get attention. This is an attorney speaking on behalf of the President of the United States’ re-election campaign. And while it may read like a macabre joke, the direct nature of diGenova’s comments make it impossible to interpret as anything other than a real wish/threat against a public servant for offering truthful testimony.

    Carr responded to the statement with an awkward pause and a laugh and then changed the subject. Some shit is so weird that it even makes Newsmax people uncomfortable.

    DiGenova’s execution wishcasting comes on the heels of a Krebs interview with 60 Minutes in which he debunked the Trump team’s outlandish and conspiratorial claims about the election. Krebs is a lifelong Republican who Trump put in charge of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which had oversight of election security. (Trump fired Krebs via tweet.)

    In addition to threatening Krebs, over the course of the interview diGenova made ominous and false suggestions about “circuit breakers” shutting down on election night in multiple states, which allowed for vote fraud; millions of votes showing up in dump trucks, tow trucks, and vans without detection; and he called on state legislatures to have the “cojones” to overturn the results of the election.

    In other words: Just a normal day for Elite Strike Force.

    Hey, that's what you do with Enemies Of The People™, no?

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  • TopHatter
    National Review Op-Ed: Trump’s Disgraceful Endgame

    President Trump said the other day that he’d leave office if he loses the vote of the Electoral College on December 14.

    This is not the kind of assurance presidents of the United States typically need to make, but it was noteworthy given Trump’s disgraceful conduct since losing his bid for reelection to Joe Biden on November 3.

    Behind in almost all the major polls, Trump stormed within a hair’s breadth in the key battlegrounds of winning reelection, and his unexpectedly robust performance helped put Republicans in a strong position for the post-Trump-presidency era. This is not nothing. But the president can’t stand to admit that he lost and so has insisted since the wee hours of Election Night that he really won — and won “by a lot.”

    There are legitimate issues to consider after the 2020 vote about the security of mail-in ballots and the process of counting votes (some jurisdictions, bizarrely, take weeks to complete their initial count), but make no mistake: The chief driver of the post-election contention of the past several weeks is the petulant refusal of one man to accept the verdict of the American people. The Trump team (and much of the GOP) is working backwards, desperately trying to find something, anything to support the president’s aggrieved feelings, rather than objectively considering the evidence and reacting as warranted.

    Almost nothing that the Trump team has alleged has withstood the slightest scrutiny. In particular, it’s hard to find much that is remotely true in the president’s Twitter feed these days. It is full of already-debunked claims and crackpot conspiracy theories about Dominion voting systems. Over the weekend, he repeated the charge that 1.8 million mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania were mailed out, yet 2.6 million were ultimately tallied. In a rather elementary error, this compares the number of mail-ballots requested in the primary to the number of ballots counted in the general. A straight apples-to-apples comparison finds that 1.8 million mail-in ballots were requested in the primary and 1.5 million returned, while 3.1 million ballots were requested in the general and 2.6 million returned.

    Flawed and dishonest assertions like this pollute the public discourse and mislead good people who make the mistake of believing things said by the president of the United States.

    Elected Republicans have generally taken the attitude that the president should be able to have his day in court. It’s his legal right to file suits, of course, but he shouldn’t pursue meritless litigation in Hail Mary attempts to get millions of votes tossed out. This is exactly what he’s been doing, it’s why reputable GOP lawyers have increasingly steered clear, and it’s why Trump has suffered defeat after defeat in court.

    In its signature federal suit in Pennsylvania, the Trump team argued that it violated the equal-protection clause of the U.S. Constitution for some Pennsylvania counties to let absentee voters fix or “cure” their ballots if they contained an error while other counties didn’t. It maintained that it was another constitutional violation for Trump election observers not to be allowed in close proximity to the counting of ballots. On this basis, the Trump team sought to disqualify 1.5 million ballots and bar the certification of the Pennsylvania results or have the Pennsylvania General Assembly appoint presidential electors.

    By the time the suit reached the Third Circuit, it had been whittled down to a relatively minor procedural issue (whether the Trump complaint could be amended a second time in the district court). The Trump team lost on that question, and the unanimous panel of the Third Circuit (in an opinion written by a Trump appointee) made it clear that the other claims lacked merit as well. It noted that the suit contained no evidence that Trump and Biden ballots or observers were treated differently, let alone evidence of fraud. Within reason, it is permissible for counties to have different procedures for handling ballots, and nothing forced some counties to permit voters to cure flawed absentee ballots and others to decline to do so.

    Not that it mattered. The court pointed out that the suit challenged the procedures to fix absentee ballots in seven Democratic counties, which don’t even come close to having enough cured ballots to change the outcome in the state; the counties might have allowed, at most, 10,000 voters to fix their ballots, and even if every single one of them voted for Biden, that’s still far short of Biden’s 80,000-plus margin in the state.

    The idea, as the Trump team stalwartly maintains, that the Supreme Court is going to take up this case and issue a game-changing ruling is fantastical. Conservative judges have consistently rejected Trump’s flailing legal appeals, and the justices are unlikely to have a different reaction.

    Trump’s most reprehensible tactic has been to attempt, somewhat shamefacedly, to get local Republican officials to block the certification of votes and state legislatures to appoint Trump electors in clear violation of the public will. This has gone nowhere, thanks to the honesty and sense of duty of most of the Republicans involved, but it’s a profoundly undemocratic move that we hope no losing presidential candidate ever even thinks of again.

    Getting defeated in a national election is a blow to the ego of even the most thick-skinned politicians and inevitably engenders personal feelings of bitterness and anger. What America has long expected is that losing candidates swallow those feelings and at least pretend to be gracious. If Trump’s not capable of it, he should at least stop waging war on the outcome.

    What's Trump going to do when the apparatus of the federal government is no longer subject to his deranged whims?

    Notice how the editors of the National Review are baffled at how "some jurisdictions, bizarrely, take weeks to complete their initial count"? Well, when the Republican-controlled legislatures of those jurisdictions slash funding for elections, what the hell do they expect is going to happen?

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  • Firestorm
    Arizona secretary of state certifies election results with Biden winning state's 11 electoral votes

    Arizona officials certified the results of the state’s election on Monday, confirming Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state and clearing the way for Mark Kelly to take his seat in the U.S. Senate this week.

    Secretary of State Katie Hobbs touted high turnout despite the election unfolding in the middle of a pandemic.

    Voters cast more than 3.2 million ballots and turnout neared 80%, a 23% increase from the midterm election two years ago and an 8% increase from the last presidential election in 2016, Hobbs said.

    "Despite the unprecedented challenges, Arizonans showed up for our democracy," Hobbs said. "Every Arizona voter has my thanks and should know they can stand proud that this election was transparency, accuracy and fairness in accordance with Arizona’s laws and election procedures, despite numerous unfounded claims to the contrary."

    Hobbs, a Democrat, signed the official election results in the old state Capitol in Phoenix along with the state's Republican governor and attorney general, Doug Ducey and Mark Brnovich, and Supreme Court Chief Justice Robert Brutinel.

    Ducey expressed confidence in the election process.

    "We do elections well here in Arizona. The system is strong and that’s why I bragged on it so much," he said.

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  • TopHatter
    Georgia governor, defying Trump, says he'll 'follow the law' on election results

    Georgia officials on Monday responded to a barrage of attacks by President Trump by saying they would continue to “follow the law” on counting votes and certifying the election results, which show a narrow win by President-elect Joe Biden.

    Trump has asked Gov. Brian Kemp to intervene and overrule his secretary of state, who has maintained that the election in the state was conducted honestly.

    “Georgia law prohibits the governor from interfering in elections,” a spokesman for Kemp said in a statement. “The Secretary of State, who is an elected constitutional officer, has oversight over elections that cannot be overridden by executive order.

    “As the governor has said repeatedly, he will continue to follow the law and encourage the Secretary of State to take reasonable steps — including a sample audit of signatures — to restore trust and address serious issues that have been raised,” the spokesman added.

    The statement came after Trump wondered why Kemp, who he called “hapless,” would not use “his emergency powers” to overrule Georgia’s top election official, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

    Kemp and Raffensperger are both Republicans. Trump endorsed Kemp when he ran in 2018, and Raffensperger said he and his family voted for and donated to Trump but “are now being thrown under the bus by him.”

    “Why won’t Governor @BrianKempGA, the hapless Governor of Georgia, use his emergency powers, which can be easily done, to overrule his obstinate Secretary of State, and do a match of signatures on envelopes,” Trump tweeted. “It will be a ‘goldmine’ of fraud, and we will easily WIN the state.”

    The president provided no evidence to support his fraud claim. Checking signatures on ballot envelopes could show that some ballots were illegitimate — but not which ones, since the envelopes are separated from the ballots once they are opened. The only apparent remedy would be to throw out all the votes in a given county, which would be an unprecedented and radical step that no court is likely to accept.

    “Also, quickly check the number of envelopes versus the number of ballots,” Trump continued. “You may just find that there are many more ballots than there are envelopes. So simple, and so easy to do. Georgia Republicans are angry, all Republicans are angry. Get it done!”

    At a press briefing Monday, Raffensperger said his office is, in fact, investigating one specific allegation that the number of absentee ballots outnumbered absentee envelopes in Gwinnett County. But the vast majority of fraud claims being brought to his office are not credible.

    “The truth matters,” Raffensperger said. “There are those who are exploiting the emotions of many Trump supporters with fantastic claims, half-truths and misinformation, and frankly they are misleading the president as well, apparently.”

    Raffensperger added that a second recount requested by the Trump campaign would be completed by Wednesday at midnight. The first, which was triggered by a mandatory audit of the results and completed on Nov. 20, showed that Biden won Georgia by more than 12,000 votes, 2,475,141 to 2,462,857.

    In a telephone interview Sunday — his first since losing the Nov. 3 election — Trump falsely claimed to Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo that he “won the election easily”; that his own Department of Justice and the FBI are failing to investigate his allegations of rampant voter fraud; and that he is “ashamed” he endorsed Kemp’s election.

    “The governor has done nothing,” Trump said. “He’s done absolutely nothing. I’m ashamed that I endorsed him.”


    Governor says he'll follow the law. No wonder Trump is so triggered.

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  • DOR
    Originally posted by Julie View Post

    People without access can go to their local library. We've had internet 30 years now. We can't obtain a server secure enough to vote. We can go on line and file our taxes with the IRS. That seems to be secure enough.
    What part of "without access" is the same as "no internet at home"?
    WITHOUT ACCESS, for whatever reason, will cover a certain portion of the population.
    Those people will not be allowed to vote, through no fault of their own.

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  • Albany Rifles
    Originally posted by Julie View Post
    I've got a question. To make things alot less complicated when voting, why not have a secure account set up with our local Board of Elections and vote on line? I can already sign in to my account at the Board of Elections and update my info and such. This will do away completely with ballots and voting machines that are always questionable in every election. Seriously, what are your thoughts?
    Welcome back

    What I would also add there are huge swaths of this country which has no wifi access...or any internet access. Most of Appalachia, Native American Reservations, the interior of the US when you get away from Interstates, mountainous areas.

    Local libraries can be quite distant...and working as elections officials is not a core competency of most librarians.

    Plus how do I get to the library?

    Do you know what goes to just about every household in the country...and has since its inception? The US Postal Service. Mail in balloting should be the standard and ballots should be counted when they arrive and not held to election day as is law in some states.

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  • Julie
    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

    But not long after that decision, attorney Wood tweeted that the judge reversed his decision on the machines, based on claims that Georgia counties control the machines. The judge says the defendants do not control the machines and, therefore, he cannot order them to be preserved in their current state.

    Read Judge's Second Order
    Judge Reapproves Emergency Order Blocking Georgia From Wiping or Resetting Voting Machines


    November 30, 2020 Updated: November 30, 2020

    The federal judge overseeing high profile attorney Sidney Powell’s election lawsuit in Georgia issued a temporary restraining order late Sunday night, declaring that election officials were barred from wiping or altering Dominion voting machines used in the November election.

    The emergency order was the third issued in so many hours over Powell’s lawsuit seeking an emergency order to see “voting machines be seized and impounded immediately for forensic audit by plaintiffs’ experts.”

    But U.S. District Judge Timothy Batten Sr. overturned his first order when defendants argued that the machines were not in their possession, and that the relevant parties were not listed in the lawsuit.

    “Plaintiffs’ request fails because the voting equipment that they seek to impound is in the possession of county election officials. Any injunction the court issues would extend only to defendants and those within their control, and plaintiffs have not demonstrated that county election officials are within defendants’ control,” the judge wrote. “Defendants cannot serve as a proxy for local election officials against whom the relief should be sought.”

    Defendants listed in the case (pdf) were state election board members Chairman Brad Raffensperger, Vice Chair Rebecca Sullivan, David Worley, Matthew Mashburn, and Anh Le.

    Then at 10:10 p.m., Batten again overturned his earlier order (pdf), and declared that defendants had until 5 p.m. Dec. 2 to respond against the new motion by plaintiffs seeking to allow their experts to perform forensic inspection of Dominion voting machines in Cobb, Gwinnett, and Cherokee counties.

    The judge said that plaintiffs’ requests could be allowed by amending their complaint to add the election officials in the relevant counties.

    The judge declared in the meantime that defendants are “enjoined and restrained from altering, destroying, or erasing, or allowing the alteration, destruction, or erasure of, any software or data on any Dominion voting machine in Cobb, Gwinnett, and Cherokee counties.”

    He also ordered the board to “promptly produce to plaintiffs a copy of the contract between the state and Dominion.”
    A voting machine is cleaned during the Illinois Democratic primary in Chicago, Ill., on March 17, 2020. (Kamil Krzaczynski/AFP via Getty Images)
    According to an affidavit from a GOP poll worker that was filed as part of the lawsuit, an election official had said on Nov. 25 that some ballot-counting machines were to be reset on Monday so they could be used in the full recount requested by the Trump campaign due to the less than half a percentage point margin between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. The deadline to complete the recount is midnight Dec. 2.

    Upon seeing the message, the poll worker said they notified their supervisor because they were concerned about wiping the machines.

    “I am seeing lots of notices from lawyers about possibly impounding the machines,” the poll worker wrote, according to the affidavit. “Lawyers are now saying that the machines should be confiscated immediately before this happens to protect forensic data. They are saying those machines need to be impounded ASAP. Yikes. Maybe I’m being overly paranoid but let’s be sure this is what we’re supposed to be doing.”

    The supervisor responded: “It’s what we are supposed to do. It will take a court order to stop this process—so I guess we need to keep watching the news. If we get a court order to stop, we will see it in our SOS information.”

    When the poll worker asked if the reset will wipe the forensic info from the machines, the manager said that “Atlanta already did it.”

    Lin Wood, an attorney associated with the Trump campaign, said on Twitter: “Sidney Powell & I won, then lost, but ended up winning. We will never give up the pursuit of TRUTH to achieve justice.”


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  • Bigfella
    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

    But not long after that decision, attorney Wood tweeted that the judge reversed his decision on the machines, based on claims that Georgia counties control the machines. The judge says the defendants do not control the machines and, therefore, he cannot order them to be preserved in their current state.

    Read Judge's Second Order
    That twitter thread is a real visit to Crazytown. Scary.

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  • TopHatter
    No, It Wasn’t a Coup Attempt. It Was Another Trump Money Scam
    The president knew he couldn’t prevail in the courts but he understands how to make money by failing. He did it with casinos and he’s doing it again.

    President Trump’s post-election machinations are not a bungled coup attempt; they add up to a scam to enrich himself. A coup would require broad collaboration from the courts and, failing that, from the military. The evidence suggests that Trump may not even be serious about election fraud. If he were, he would have recruited serious election law experts in the states he has contested. Instead, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell blanketed the country with a blizzard of lawsuits, offering fever dreams from the dark web as their legal justification and evidence.

    The president’s post-election campaign demonstrates his singular talent for taking care of himself even when he loses. It is a momentous historic attack on the democratic process, on the order of Reconstruction. But for Trump, as Michael Corleone put it, “it’s just business.” Ultimately, Trump’s goals are to remain a star, make money, and solidify his clout. The corrosive effects on democracy are collateral damage.

    Donald Trump has always craved fame, a drive common to national politicians. But he alone honed his approach to politics through his stint as a reality TV star. That’s where he learned how he could weave a narrative around his personality that tapped into the fantasies of a national audience. His quixotic claim to have won an election that he knows he lost rests entirely on his curated public persona. And as long as he pursues his claims, he is the center of attention instead of an ignored, sad, lame duck.

    Trump’s intrigues embody his drive to come out ahead whether he succeeds or fails. His campaign hardly touched on the pandemic, the economy, or even his signature complaints about immigrants. Instead, he offered a narrative about systemic voter fraud and a stolen election. The strategy was smarter than Trump’s consultants and most media understood. It strengthened his connection to Americans who feel vulnerable to powerful shadowy forces beyond their reach, sufficient to drive nearly enough of them to reelect him.

    This approach also laid a foundation for Trump to come out on top again, albeit not as president, and monetize the loss. Soon after the polls closed, his campaign announced an “Official Election Defense Fund” to help pay for his election challenges – with much of the proceeds diverted to his personal PAC, Save America. And by mobilizing his millions of true believers around a false narrative that his enemies have cost them their leader, Trump secured an enormous fan base for whatever he does as an ex-president. Millions will pay to attend more rallies or perhaps subscribe to a new Trump streaming service or cable network.

    The strategy will give Trump a global stage to spotlight his inevitable grievances with President Joe Biden. It could become a means to mobilize public pressure against ongoing criminal investigations and possible indictments. Even from Mar-a-Lago, he could keep officeholders aligned with his interests, even as an ex-president.

    Ensuring that Trump benefits even when he loses—and so never appears to fail – is an approach he has honed over his career. It nearly always involves making himself richer. He forged the strategy in Atlantic City. When he issued $100 million in junk bonds to bail out the failing Trump Plaza casino in 1993 temporarily, he used half of those proceeds to cover his personal debts. When his three casino hotels went bankrupt, he collected $160 million in management fees from the time the hotels declared Chapter 11 to the inevitable moment, years later, when he had to surrender them to his creditors.

    Trump had figured out how to win while losing other people’s money. The final collapse of his Atlantic City properties also became personal paydays: He walked away with $916 million in tax losses based on $3.4 billion in defaulted debts owed to the banks and junk bondholders that actually put up the capital. To make it legal, Trump had assumed personal liability for the loans. But that was at the heart of the scam: Since he had not put up his own money, he couldn’t claim the losses without putting himself technically “at-risk” for the loans.

    As president, Trump continues to profit from losing other people’s money. He owns 16 golf courses, all financed by accommodating lenders who put up the money to buy and operate them. As any real estate operator knows, golf courses are notorious money losers. Here too, Trump is personally “at-risk” for those loans – because otherwise, he couldn’t write off their annual losses. Based on the tax returns described in the New York Times, he claimed $15.3 million in those tax losses in 2017, his first year in the White House. For that year, he also reported personal income of nearly $14.8 million from branding deals, income tied to his old reality TV show, and revenues from favor seekers joining Mar-A-Lago and taking suites at his hotels. The losses Trump claimed for ventures paid for with other people’s money enabled him, even as president, to avoid paying personal income tax on all of his $14.8 million income.

    Winning by failing has been Donald Trump’s signature business strategy, and now it is his political strategy. Since he couldn’t force the Justice Department to arrest Biden or coerce the courts to overturn the election results, he is left to enrich himself and maintain his influence with his fans and GOP elected officials. Thankfully for democracy, Americans now face not a coup d’état but yet another scam from Donald Trump – and probably not his last.

    "Ultimately, Trump’s goals are to remain a star, make money, and solidify his clout."

    And that's exactly what Trump's goals have always been, from Day One: Not to "Make American Great Again", not to govern, not to lead and certainly not to improve the lives of Americans. Donald Trump is a con man who couldn't give a single shit about anybody but himself.

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