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  • Bigfella
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Trump Administration just made the citizen test harder. Really no reason to unless you want to prevent immigrants from passing, becoming citizens, and then voting. Ironically I'd bet many of Trumps base supporters would probably have a hard time passing the test themselves based on their limited civics knowledge assuming they paid any attention in high school. I'd also bet AR will find this laughable since I'm sure he is big on civics for natives.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/1...ut-history.cnn
    I'll be curious to try the new version. Whenever I have done existing tests online I get 90%+. Based on my online interactions in other places I'm betting a lot of Americans can't manage that. :-)

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  • tbm3fan
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    Trump Administration just made the citizen test harder. Really no reason to unless you want to prevent immigrants from passing, becoming citizens, and then voting. Ironically I'd bet many of Trumps base supporters would probably have a hard time passing the test themselves based on their limited civics knowledge assuming they paid any attention in high school. I'd also bet AR will find this laughable since I'm sure he is big on civics for natives.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/1...ut-history.cnn

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  • JRT
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    U.S. Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., made a public statement that he “will not be objecting to Pennsylvania’s slate of electors,” and U.S. Sen Bob Casey, D-Pa. also won't be objecting, so the issue is a non-starter, is not going to gain any traction beyond a maximum 2 hour delay in the counting of electoral votes on 06 January 2021. I would expect that the Republican signatories well understood that before signing, but they are hostages of their own political disinformation campaigns falsely claiming massive voter fraud. Some seem to be rethinking the political calculus and are trying to backpedal.


    Originally posted by NewsWeek

    Pennsylvania Republican Party Leaders Want to Dispute 2020 Elections in Congress

    by Meghan Roos
    04 December 2020

    75 Republican Pennsylvania state legislators sent a letter Friday asking the state's congressional leaders to dispute Pennsylvania's 2020 election results before the U.S. Congress meets to count electoral votes on January 6.

    Two other letters—one addressed to the state attorney general requesting the assignment of an independent prosecutor to review election proceedings and another addressed to the state inspector general asking for a full review of the Pennsylvania Department of State's handling of the election—were also signed by dozens of state lawmakers.

    The letter addressed to congressional lawmakers, which was signed by 75 members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, has since been removed from the Pennsylvania Republican Caucus' website after some members said their signatures were added in error.

    In the letter initially addressed to congressional lawmakers on Friday, members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly pointed to changes election officials made to ballot collecting and counting processes, which they said conflicted with state election code revisions agreed upon in 2019. One change the letter took issue with was a decision to extend the time that election officials could receive mail-in ballots, a change that was implemented in response to the influx of mail-in ballots received due to the coronavirus pandemic. The letter also alleges that poll watchers were blocked from "meaningfully observing" the ballot-counting process.

    In a news release issued by the Pennsylvania House Republican Caucus, House Majority Leader Kerry Benninghoff acknowledged that state House Republicans could not intervene with the election results directly but encouraged the state's congressional representatives to do so.

    "While we constitutionally cannot act as a Legislature to fix these problems at this time, there is action that can be taken to ensure the integrity of our election is upheld and the voice of Pennsylvanians is heard," Benninghoff said in the release. "I hope that the law enforcement entities and our members of Congress take these letters with the seriousness and concern they deserve to ensure the rule of law is followed and the people of Pennsylvania truly have access to free, fair and secure elections."

    Speaker of the Pennsylvania House Bryan Cutler also spoke in the release against what he said was an "activist court" that "created confusion and delays" for voters as a result of the changes surrounding the November 3 election. "These letters are a continuation of actions the Legislature has taken for months to restore our election law, and the public's trust in our election process," Cutler said.

    On Friday afternoon, a reporter with Pennsylvania Capital-Star reported that at least five signees said their names were added to the letter addressed to congressional leaders by mistake. One of the state representatives, Chris Quinn, confirmed to Newsweek that his signature was not supposed to appear on the letter.

    "There was a clerical error in Harrisburg," Quinn told Newsweek. "They made a mistake and they have since pulled the letter."

    Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar formally certified the state's presidential election results on November 24. The certification means Pennsylvania's 20 electoral votes will go to President-elect Joe Biden. Media outlets called the national race for Biden on November 7 and the General Services Administration officially recognized him as president-elect on November 23.

    President Donald Trump has yet to concede the election. Instead, his campaign filed lawsuits in battleground states across the country, several of which alleged that votes were cast or counted illegally in Pennsylvania.

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    6 Pennsylvania GOP Reps Deny Signing Letter Asking Congress to Dispute Election Results

    by Aila Slisco
    04 December 2020

    GOP legislators in Pennsylvania say their signatures were wrongly added to a letter demanding that President-elect Joe Biden's win in the state be challenged in Congress.

    The signatures of 75 Republicans in Pennsylvania's state House and Senate were included in a letter sent to the state's congressional delegation on Friday, demanding that Biden's win be disputed when the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate meet for a joint session to finalize results early next month.

    However, a "clerical error" led to the signatures of at least six GOP lawmakers being included without their permission. The signatures of state Representatives Chris Quinn, Todd Polinchock, Megan Schroeder, Wendi Thomas, KC Tomlinson and Tom Mehaffie were all erroneously included in the letter, according to Pennsylvania Capital-Star reporter Stephen Caruso.

    "We were made aware that my name was put on a letter in error," Quinn confirmed to Newsweek. "All I can say is there was a clerical error in Harrisburg. They made a mistake and they have since pulled the letter."

    The letter is the latest attempt by a number of Pennsylvania Republicans to overturn President Donald Trump's election loss. GOP leadership in the state recently rejected suggestions that they could appoint their own slate of Electoral College electors loyal to Trump despite Biden's victory, pointing out that such a move is prohibited by state law.

    Other attempts to dispute the results of the election, without providing any plausible path to overturn the outcome, have fallen short in Pennsylvania. Only 49 out of 137 GOP legislators signed non-binding resolutions objecting to Biden's win last month, while a petition calling for a special session of the state legislature failed when only 32 Republicans signed on.

    Biden won Pennsylvania by more than 80,000 votes and his victory was certified by state officials on November 24. In 2016, Trump beat former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by 44,292 votes. Although the president and some of his allies have continued to push evidence-free claims that Biden's win was built on massive voter fraud, repeated legal challenges and attempts to overturn results in Pennsylvania and elsewhere have so far failed.

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  • JRT
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    Recall that the official determination will be made at the conclusion of the counting of electoral votes in a joint session of Congress on 06 January 2021.

    Originally posted by AP_News

    Biden officially secures enough electors to become president

    by Michael R Blood and Nicholas Riccardi

    California certified its presidential election Friday and appointed 55 electors pledged to vote for Democrat Joe Biden, officially handing him the Electoral College majority needed to win the White House.

    Secretary of State Alex Padilla’s formal approval of Biden’s win in the state brought his tally of pledged electors so far to 279, according to a tally by The Associated Press. That’s just over the 270 threshold for victory.

    These steps in the election are often ignored formalities. But the hidden mechanics of electing a U.S. president have drawn new scrutiny this year as President Donald Trump continues to deny Biden’s victory and pursues increasingly specious legal strategies aimed at overturning the results before they are finalized.

    Although it’s been apparent for weeks that Biden won the presidential election, his accrual of more than 270 electors is the first step toward the White House, said Edward B. Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University.

    “It is a legal milestone and the first milestone that has that status,” Foley said. “Everything prior to that was premised on what we call projections.”

    The electors named Friday will meet Dec. 14, along with counterparts in each state, to formally vote for the next president. Most states have laws binding their electors to the winner of the popular vote in their state, measures that were upheld by a Supreme Court decision this year. There have been no suggestions that any of Biden’s pledged electors would contemplate not voting for him.

    Results of the Electoral College vote are due to be received, and typically approved, by Congress on Jan. 6. Although lawmakers can object to accepting the electors’ votes, it would be almost impossible for Biden to be blocked at that point.

    Friday's certification of California's 55 electoral votes put Democrat Joe Biden past the 270 needed to win the race. (AP Graphic)
    The Democratic-controlled House and Republican-controlled Senate would both vote separately to resolve any disputes. One already has arisen from Pennsylvania, where 75 Republican lawmakers signed a statement on Friday urging Congress to block the state’s electoral votes from being cast for Biden. But the state’s Republican U.S. senator, Pat Toomey, said soon afterward that he would not be objecting to Pennsylvania’s slate of electors, underscoring the difficulty in trying to change the election results through Congress.

    “As a practical matter, we know that Joe Biden is going to be inaugurated on Jan. 20,” Foley said.

    That was clear in the days after the election, when the count of mail ballots gradually made clear that Biden had won victories in enough states to win the Electoral College. It became even more apparent in late November, when every swing state won by Biden certified him as the winner of its elections and appointed his electors to the Electoral College. Trump has fruitlessly tried to stop those states from certifying Biden as the winner and appointing electors for the former vice president.

    He made no effort in deeply Democratic California, the most populous state in the nation and the trove of its largest number of electoral votes. Three more states won by Biden — Colorado, Hawaii and New Jersey — have not yet certified their results. When they do, Biden will have 306 Electoral College votes to Trump’s 232.

    Trump and his allies have brought at least 50 legal cases trying to overturn the results in the swing states Biden won — mainly Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. More than 30 have been rejected or dropped, according to an AP tally.

    Trump and his allies have also raised the far-fetched notion that Republican state legislatures in those states could appoint a rival set of electors pledged to Trump.

    But state Republican leaders have rejected that approach, and it would likely be futile in any case. According to federal law, both chambers of Congress would need to vote to accept a competing slate of electors. If they don’t, the electors appointed by the states’ governors — all pledged to Biden in these cases — must be used.

    The last remaining move to block the election would be the quixotic effort to vote down the electors in Congress.

    This tactic has been tried — a handful of congressional Democrats in 2000, 2004 and 2016 objected to officially making both George W. Bush and Trump president. But the numbers were not enough to block the two men from taking office.

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  • JRT
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    Originally posted by CNN

    Trump pressured Georgia governor in call to help overturn Biden's win in state

    by Kristen Holmes and Veronica Stracqualursi
    05 December 2020

    (Atlanta)President Donald Trump on Saturday called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, pushing him to convince state legislators to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's win in the state, a source familiar with the conversation told CNN.

    Trump asked Kemp to call a special session and convince state legislators to select their own electors that would support him, according to the source. He also asked the Republican governor to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures.

    Kemp explained that he did not have the authority to order such an audit and denied the request to call a special session, the source said.

    The White House declined to comment on the call, which was first reported by The Washington Post.

    The President appeared to reference the call in a tweet Saturday, attacking Kemp and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and calling for a signature audit of the absentee ballot envelopes in the state -- while making false or misleading claims about the potential process. The governor, in response, tweeted that he has already "publicly called for a signature audit three times" -- leading Trump to then double down on his request for Kemp to call for a special session of the state's Legislature.

    Kemp spokesman Cody Hall confirmed the governor spoke with the President, but, when asked about the conversation, only said that Trump offered his condolences on the death of Harrison Deal, a young Loeffler campaign staffer.

    Trump's call to Kemp, his latest attempt to interfere in the results of the 2020 election, came hours before the President's visit to the state to rally in support of Republican Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler ahead of January's Senate runoff elections. CNN previously reported that the President has publicly pushed for Kemp and Raffensperger, both Republicans, to overturn the state's election results -- demands they have rebuffed.

    Hall told CNN earlier this week -- following a separate push from Trump to intervene in the state's elections process -- that "Georgia law prohibits the Governor from interfering in elections."

    "The Secretary of State, who is an elected constitutional officer, has oversight over elections that cannot be overridden by executive order," Hall said in a statement at the time. "As the Governor has said repeatedly, he will continue to follow the law and encourage the Secretary of State to take reasonable steps -- including a sample audit of signatures -- to restore trust and address serious issues that have been raised."

    Trump's refusal to concede and his continued push of false claims of fraud in Georgia has some Republicans uneasy and concerned that the President could depress turnout in the state's crucial runoff elections that will help determine the balance of power in Congress.

    And despite the pummeling from their party leader, Georgia GOP election officials have pushed back against Trump's claims of fraud in the state.

    Biden won Georgia by more than 12,000 votes, becoming the first Democratic presidential nominee to win the Peach State in nearly three decades. Kemp certified the results of Biden's victory on November 20, following a statewide audit, which included a hand-count of the nearly 5 million ballots cast in the election.

    CNN previously reported that Trump had recently bashed Kemp, who is a supporter of his, as a "moron" and a "nut job" during another phone call. And earlier this week, the President publicly criticized the governor in an interview on Fox News, saying he was "ashamed" he had endorsed Kemp.

    The governor does not plan to attend Trump's rally in Valdosta, Georgia, Saturday night, due to the sudden death of a close friend of the family, Hall told CNN.

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  • DOR
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    The most honest Trump bumper sticker I've seen to date:

    Trump 2020

    Make Liberals Cry Again.





    Nothing about the man, his policy positions, or his opponent.

    Just spite.

    Pure spite.

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  • Officer of Engineers
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    Originally posted by astralis View Post
    I figure they can simplify it some more: only Trump votes are real votes, everything else is pure fraud.
    Nah. The real votes are what Trump says they are today. What he said yesterday doesn't count.

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  • astralis
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    All they should do is say what they really want and that is only in person voting by white males who own property since that is what this boils down to.
    I figure they can simplify it some more: only Trump votes are real votes, everything else is pure fraud.

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  • TopHatter
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    Trump aide banned from Justice Department after trying to get case info

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The official serving as President Donald Trump’s eyes and ears at the Justice Department has been banned from the building after trying to pressure staffers to give up sensitive information about election fraud and other matters she could relay to the White House, three people familiar with the matter tell The Associated Press.

    Heidi Stirrup, an ally of top Trump adviser Stephen Miller, was quietly installed at the Justice Department as a White House liaison a few months ago. She was told within the last two weeks to vacate the building after top Justice officials learned of her efforts to collect insider information about ongoing cases and the department’s work on election fraud, the people said.

    Stirrup is accused of approaching staffers in the department demanding they give her information about investigations, including election fraud matters, the people said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the matter.

    The effort came as Trump continues to level baseless claims that he won the election and alleges without evidence that massive voting fraud was responsible for his defeat to President-elect Joe Biden.

    Stirrup had also extended job offers to political allies for positions at some of the highest levels of the Justice Department without consulting any senior department officials or the White House counsel's office and also attempted to interfere in the hiring process for career staffers, a violation of the government's human resources policies, one of the people said.

    The Justice Department declined to comment. Attempts to reach Stirrup for comment were not immediately successful.

    Earlier this week, Attorney General William Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and the FBI had looked into allegations of election irregularities and found no evidence of widespread voting fraud that would change the outcome of the election.

    “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” he said on Tuesday.

    Trump shot back at Barr on Thursday, saying the Justice Department “hasn’t looked very hard" and calling it a disappointment. But he stopping short of implying Barr’s future as attorney general could be cut short.

    “Ask me that in a number of weeks from now,” Trump said when asked if he still has confidence in Barr.

    “They should be looking at all of this fraud,” Trump said.

    He was also critical of Barr’s statement that much of what has been presented so far by the Trump campaign and its allies amounts to allegations that belong in lawsuits, not federal crimes.

    “This is not civil. This is criminal stuff. This is very bad, criminal stuff,” Trump said.

    Stirrup, who previously was a central figure in the Trump administration’s push for hard-line immigration policies, technically still remains in her position after being placed at the Justice Department by the White House Office of Presidential Personnel.

    The Trump administration has been working to have liaisons report directly to the White House instead of the agencies where they work. Across the administration, there have been concerns that the liaisons were undercutting the work not just of career professionals but also of Trump’s own political appointees.

    Shortly after the election, the presidential personnel office had also instructed the liaisons to fire any political appointees who were looking for jobs while Trump refused to accept the election results. Trump’s term ends at noon on Jan. 20. Several thousand political appointees across the government will see their jobs end by that date.

    The White House personnel office has been headed by former Trump personal assistant John McEntee, who has renewed Trump’s push to rid the administration of those deemed “disloyal” to the president.

    In September, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson inadvertently made public his anger with McEntee when cameras captured writing on the back of a page he was consulting during a speech.

    In a reference to the White House Presidential Personnel Office, Carson’s notes said: “I am not happy with the way PPO is handling my agency.” It’s a sentiment that has been shared across the government.

    Stirrup, a close ally of Miller, previously served as the acting director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement and was also a deputy White House liaison at the Department of Health and Human Services.
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    And the circus shit show just keeps on truckin'

    I have a feeling that entire (non-Trump Kool-aid drinking) federal government is going to let out a thunderous cheer come January 20th...somewhere around noon, perhaps?

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  • TopHatter
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Why Republicans waste all this effort going back and forth to courts is a mystery to me. All they should do is say what they really want and that is only in person voting by white males who own property since that is what this boils down to.
    Some of them are True Believers. They genuinely believe that North Korean agents delivered thousands of ballots to Maine and that Hugo Chavez interfered with the election etc.

    Others are simply showing fealty to the cult Leader, they don't know or care if any this nonsense is true. They just want an opportunity to worship him and "own the libs".

    Still others don't believe any of it but can't afford to be "primaryed" by the cult Leader. Once it's clear that Trump has lost his grip on the cult, they'll suddenly come out of their shells.

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  • tbm3fan
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    Why Republicans waste all this effort going back and forth to courts is a mystery to me. All they should do is say what they really want and that is only in person voting by white males who own property since that is what this boils down to.

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  • TopHatter
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    US Supreme Court asked to block Biden win in Pennsylvania

    HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Republicans attempting to undo President-elect Joe Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday to take up their lawsuit, three days after it was thrown out by the highest court in the battleground state.

    In the request to the U.S. Supreme Court, Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly of northwestern Pennsylvania and the other plaintiffs are asking the court to prevent the state from certifying any contests from the Nov. 3 election, and undo any certifications already made, such as Biden’s victory.

    They maintain that Pennsylvania’s expansive vote-by-mail law is unconstitutional because it required a constitutional amendment to authorize its provisions.

    Biden beat President Donald Trump by more than 80,000 votes in Pennsylvania, a state Trump had won in 2016.

    Pennsylvania's Supreme Court on Saturday night threw out the lawsuit, including an order by a lower court judge blocking the certification of any uncertified races.

    Justices cited the law's 180-day time limit on filing legal challenges to its provisions, as well as the staggering demand that an entire election be overturned retroactively.

    In the state's courts, Kelly and the other Republican plaintiffs had sought to either throw out the 2.5 million mail-in ballots submitted under the law — most of them by Democrats — or to wipe out the election results and direct the state’s Republican-controlled Legislature to pick Pennsylvania’s presidential electors.

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    If the Trump-packed SCOTUS declines to hear this case, I'd love to see who voted which way, yes or no.

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  • astralis
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    Well, when the Republican-controlled legislatures of those jurisdictions slash funding for elections, what the hell do they expect is going to happen?
    or, like in Pennsylvania, when the Republican-controlled legislature says you can't start counting early votes until Election Day...

    you know, I'm enjoying the Sidney Powell/Lin Wood show as they urge their fellow Republicans not to vote in Georgia.

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  • TopHatter
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    Lou Dobbs Rages At William Barr, Suggests He Might Be 'Compromised' Or 'Ill'

    Fox Business Network host Lou Dobbs fumed on Tuesday after William Barr said there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the recent election, and suggested that the attorney general must have been “compromised” or unwell to have said such a thing.

    Dobbs, who has devotedly parroted Trump’s baseless “stolen election” claims since his loss to Democrat Joe Biden, went at Barr with full force even though Barr ― a loyal Trump ally himself ― waited nearly a month after the Nov. 3 election to publicly state that no evidence had been unearthed to support the president’s claims the election had been rigged.

    “For the attorney general of the United States to make that statement, he is either a liar or a fool or both,” Dobbs declared. “He may be, uh, perhaps compromised. He may be simply unprincipled. Or he may be personally distraught or ill.”

    The “Lou Dobbs Tonight” host also complained that Barr was joining in with the “radical Dems and the deep state and the resistance” by announcing the Justice Department had failed to find any proof of wrongdoing in the election.

    Barr told The Associated Press on Tuesday that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been following up on specific complaints and information they’ve received but that, “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election.”

    The Trump campaign and the president’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani have been on a crusade alleging a nationwide conspiracy by Democrats and other hidden players to rig the election for Biden, who received 6 million more votes than the president and reaped 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232. These unsubstantiated claims have repeatedly been dismissed and debunked in the courts, by bipartisan election officials and now by the Justice Department.

    It’s particularly striking that Dobbs would allege Barr is working against the president, but his claims were no more outrageous than other disinformation he’s shared on his show in the past. His segments about Trump routinely earn him comparisons to state television propaganda in North Korea.
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    Couldn't decide if this post belongs in this thread or in surfgun's Deranged Trump Followers thread....

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