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  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
    Commentator was talking about the decline of bipartisanship. He traced its start to the Obama administration.

    Think what will happen if Trump wins a second term. People are talking about riots.

    It's not that he won't step down if he loses but all hell will break lose if he wins.

    If he loses he might have to move to another country.
    Not immediately in a position to look at your source, but he might be too young to remember Newt Gingrich’s days as Speaker of the House of Representatives. By which I mean, the second big push — after Reagan’s embrace of the Holier-Than-Thou / NRA wing of the far right — to divide and destroy bipartisanship.

    Famous 1970s quote: It doesn’t matter what you believe, or what your policies are, unless you get into office.


    Trust me?
    I'm an economist!

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    • it'd be even funnier if Trump loses Texas.
      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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      • Originally posted by astralis View Post
        it'd be even funnier if Trump loses Texas.
        That would be the ultimate slap in the face the GOP. It could also presage a 400+ EC rout by Biden.

        Personally I'll be happy with a Biden win that doesn't get somehow negated by Trump's court-packing.
        “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
        ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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        • District Attorney Krasner to Donald Trump: Leave Philly Alone
          PHILADELPHIA (Oct. 28, 2020) — Less than a week out from the most significant U.S. election in generations, District Attorney Larry Krasner on Wednesday denounced baseless, incendiary provocations from the Trump Administration and warned that any criminal and violent attempts to interfere with Election Day activities or constitutionally required transfers of power would be dealt with swiftly by the District Attorney’s Office:

          “The Trump Administration’s efforts to suppress votes amid a global pandemic fueled by their disregard for human life will not be tolerated in the birthplace of American democracy. Philadelphians from a diversity of political opinions believe strongly in the rule of law, in fair and free elections, and in a democratic system of government. We will not be cowed or ruled by a lawless, power-hungry despot. Some folks learned that the hard way in the 1700s.

          Donald Trump claims to be a ‘law and order’ president, but his administration has posed the greatest danger to public health and safety in modern history. More than 227,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, and we are again seeing infections spike across the country. More than 100 police officers have died from COVID-19 this year — more than died from all other causes — including in the line of duty — combined.

          “Philadelphians are grieving the fatal shooting by police of a Black man who appeared to be in mental health crisis. Instead of working with cities and states to improve accountability and efficacy in policing, instead of supporting and strengthening Black communities, the Trump Administration seeks to throw gasoline on a long-burning fire in order to provoke further unrest and violence ahead of an election he is terrified to lose.

          “My office is working, as it always does, to hold accountable all those who cause harm, irrespective of status or position. Today, we filed a dozen serious charges against an individual responsible for seriously injuring a Philadelphia Police sergeant by hitting her with a vehicle during the unrest this week. That person is sitting in jail and is being held on $999,999 bail. My office is also investigating the police shooting death of Walter Wallace, Jr., because justice demands accountability for every death at the hands of government actors — whether on the streets or in prisons or in the ICE facilities where Donald Trump is caging children.

          “The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office continues to work with our partners in law enforcement and government to ensure every voter gets to vote and that every vote is counted. Keep your Proud Boys, goon squads, and uncertified ‘poll watchers’ out of our city, Mr. President. Break the law here, and I’ve got something for you.”
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          Several people I've spoken to about Trump cite the (supposed) fact that he "fights" as a prime reason for their adoration of him.

          In actual fact, THIS is what 'fighting' looks like.

          “Keep your Proud Boys, goon squads, and uncertified ‘poll watchers’ out of our city, Mr. President. Break the law here, and I’ve got something for you.”

          “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
          ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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          • Originally posted by DOR View Post

            Not immediately in a position to look at your source, but he might be too young to remember Newt Gingrich’s days as Speaker of the House of Representatives. By which I mean, the second big push — after Reagan’s embrace of the Holier-Than-Thou / NRA wing of the far right — to divide and destroy bipartisanship.

            Famous 1970s quote: It doesn’t matter what you believe, or what your policies are, unless you get into office.

            He's old enough and he did mention Gingrich

            He added there was still bipartisanship back then.

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            • Denialism, Dishonesty, Deflection: The Final Days of the Trump Campaign Have It All

              No one wants to admit it, but in Washington, D.C., the election might as well be over—except for the what-if-the-polls-are-wrong jitters, which are real and have been the stuff not just of nightmares but of all-day worrying since Donald Trump’s 2016 upset. Still, there are post-election plans to be made, lobbying strategies to be gamed out, Cabinet positions to speculate about. The election forecasters at The Economist currently give Joe Biden a ninety-six-per-cent chance of winning the Electoral College. According to the political Web site FiveThirtyEight, the former Vice-President has an only slightly more circumspect eighty-nine-per-cent chance. The Cook Political Report has moved Texas into the tossup category—Texas, which has not gone Democratic since Jimmy Carter, in 1976. No wonder the rumors are rife about Biden’s White House, about who will get what job and why. Will Susan Rice, a surprise finalist for Vice-President, be tapped as Secretary of State? Is Ron Klain a lock for White House chief of staff? On Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she was “very confident” that Biden will win, and spent her weekly press conference outlining her governing agenda for the new Administration, from instituting green infrastructure policies to lowering the cost of prescription drugs. Politico has already started on a transition newsletter, though I am trying not to read it.

              This is not because I don’t believe the polls. The election may, in fact, be over. In truth, the polls matter less and less every day from here on in. As I wrote this column, on Thursday, more than seventy million Americans had voted, and there are still five days to go. In some places, more voters have cast their ballots in early voting than in the entire 2016 election. In other words, it’s already the equivalent of 2 p.m.. on Election Day. A late revelation—yet another Trump scandal, or an attack on Biden—can’t change votes that have been cast. And, besides, who is going to change their minds about Donald Trump now, anyway? Since winning four years ago, in a fluke of our electoral system, he has been the most omnipresent, overexposed President in American history. Everybody has an opinion of him, and he has never, for a single day of his Presidency, had the support of a majority of the American people. That is not going to suddenly flip over a Halloween weekend, at a time when thousands of Americans are sick or dying because of a pandemic that he claims is no big deal.

              Back in early September, the election already looked to me like a race in which everything happens and nothing matters, with remarkably fixed voter preferences and a remarkably stable set of polls showing Biden with a strong, though not overwhelming, lead. With only five days left until Election Day, this is still the case. Much has indeed happened this fall: scandals that would have destroyed anyone other than Trump. His bout of covid-19 and subsequent tour of the country proclaiming that the coronavirus is being vanquished—even as case levels are hitting record highs. His disastrous performance in the first Presidential debate and ferocious late efforts to label Biden a corrupt and out-of-touch career politician. Through it all, Biden’s lead has held more or less steady. So let’s stipulate—although we won’t know for sure for some days—that the polls are more or less correct. Even without knowing for sure, it is already fair to say that, should Trump prevail, it would be even more unprecedented in modern American politics than his 2016 win—and is, therefore, even less likely.

              I have a different fear this time: What if the polls are right—and Trump still wins? The election may be over, but the counting is not. His path to victory through the Electoral College may rest with only a few states where Election Night results are ambiguous enough that Trump could question them and, instead, pursue a win via friendly Republican state legislatures and the pro-Trump Supreme Court. Trump has already spent months laying the groundwork for this, pre-emptively attacking the “rigged” election, baselessly suggesting widespread voter fraud in the use of mail-in ballots, and authorizing lawsuits to push for as many restrictive conditions on voting as possible in key states. An American President attacking American democracy in advance of an election has simply never been seen before. But he continues to do it every day, in the final run-up to November 3rd. Whatever the election’s outcome, this is already one of the greatest political scandals of our time, and a lasting blot on Trump’s record.

              Whether or not Trump once again succeeds in pulling an unlikely win out of a near-certain defeat, this fall’s campaign may well go down as one of the most scandalous periods of his norm-shattering Presidency. Trump in recent weeks has openly flirted with white supremacy and bizarre conspiracy theories. He has demanded that the U.S. government investigate and jail Biden—it is not clear for what—and he has publicly threatened to fire the F.B.I. director and the Attorney General for failing to do so. He has held rallies at which his supporters chanted “Lock him up,” and did and said nothing to stop them. He has broadcast so much misinformation that social-media platforms such as Twitter have, for the first time, regularly warned readers about the veracity of his posts. He has lied so much that the Times found seventy-five per cent of his statements during a single rally to be untrue. He has issued orders that threaten to politicize the government long after he is gone, including an executive order, last week, which would remove key protections from the professional civil service; the potential consequences of this move are so significant that, on Monday, the Republican Trump appointee who would have to oversee it resigned in protest, warning that the decision will “replace apolitical expertise with political obeisance” across the government.

              In recent weeks, scandalous revelations about Trump’s corruption include the Times’ reporting on hundreds of millions of dollars of debt that Trump is personally liable for. (He will not say to whom.) The Washington Post disclosed this week that Trump has used his power to direct at least eight million dollars from the U.S. government—–and his political supporters—into his personal businesses since he took office. The consequences of Trump’s Presidency, meanwhile, include the forcible separation of at least twenty-six hundred migrant children from their parents at the southern border, and last week the awful news came out that five hundred and forty-five of these children are now stranded alone in the United States, owing to the authorities being unable to locate their mothers or fathers.

              And this parade of horrors, of course, also includes Trump’s record on the coronavirus, a disastrous performance that, as of this week, has left more than two hundred and twenty thousand Americans dead. Universal mask-wearing could prevent perhaps a hundred and thirty thousand Americans from dying, according to a study in the scientific journal Nature which was released earlier this month. Yet Trump not only refuses to issue a national mask mandate; he has repeatedly and publicly questioned the need for mask-wearing during the fall campaign and has held numerous White House events with packed crowds of unmasked attendees.

              The most notable such event, of course, was the public announcement, in late September, of his nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. So many coronavirus cases apparently resulted from that gathering, on the White House lawn, that even government public-health officials labelled it a “superspreader” event. Trump has been extraordinarily blunt in admitting that his main reason for pushing Barrett’s nomination through so close to November 3rd was to insure his own reelection, an effort that culminated in this Monday’s Senate vote to confirm Barrett, just eight days before Election Day. “I think this will end up in the Supreme Court,” Trump said of the election, “and I think it’s very important that we have nine Justices,” rather than risk a 4–4 tie. The vote for a Supreme Court Justice so close to an election was unprecedented, and yet it was just another violation in a campaign full of them. Trump’s comment about why he was pushing for Barrett now was a norm-shattering scandal in its own right, undermining the legitimacy of the high court at a time when it is urgently needed.

              In many ways, the whole Trump Presidency can be encapsulated in the past few days and weeks. It is self-dealing, denialism, dishonesty, and deflection. It is narcissism, recklessness, and disregard for the public good—and for democracy itself. There is nothing and no one he has not corrupted—or tried to. Even the remaining uncertainty about the election’s outcome is a product of Trump’s cynical, self-serving, and dangerous assault on the political system. Washington can read the polls, but after four years there’s still no poll that can fully account for this President. Folks, it ain’t over till it’s over.
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              “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
              ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                1% lead in FL for Biden

                I wanted to say Trump could take PA & WI if he did it last time but every one disagrees : |

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                • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

                  1% lead in FL for Biden

                  I wanted to say Trump could take PA & WI if he did it last time but every one disagrees : |
                  How much did he win PA and WI by last time?

                  ...the three states that Clinton lost by eight-tenths of a point or less: Michigan (0.2 percentage points) Pennsylvania (0.7), and Wisconsin (0.8). Charlie Cook
                  “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                  ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

                    He's old enough and he did mention Gingrich

                    He added there was still bipartisanship back then.
                    No there wasn't. In fact I can date the last time I voted Republican was just before Gingrich since afterwards he believed in a no prisoners attitude and that wasn't the Republican Party I knew in the 70s.

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                    • Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post

                      No there wasn't. In fact I can date the last time I voted Republican was just before Gingrich since afterwards he believed in a no prisoners attitude and that wasn't the Republican Party I knew in the 70s.
                      Yes there was, the idea of bipartisanship here means do no harm. That's what makes you great.

                      Even though Gingrich & Clinton hated each other they brought about the contract with America and you got the economic revolution that happened.

                      With Obama the moment opposition said anything they were slammed as anti Obama and anti black. Racist.

                      This is the point where he attributes the decline in bipartisanship. His opinion.

                      It got aggravated during Trump's time as he's hitting at the swamp. So the never Trumpers.

                      bluesman, his line, worse than Carter.

                      Somehow bluesman worded things in a way that made it impossible to challenge and he'd come back later and say told ya. Should have had a side business as a fortune teller.

                      Vibhuti calls out Obama's policies as not working.
                      Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Oct 20,, 13:52.

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                      • Click image for larger version  Name:	Trump Biden FL.jpg Views:	0 Size:	115.0 KB ID:	1567471
                        Still well within the margin of error but Trump has the momentum. He's rising, Biden's falling.

                        Impressive come back after that dip at the start of the month.

                        I JUST KNOW YOUR STATE IS GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING TH
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Oct 20,, 13:55.

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                        • Who's George ?



                          George is out there pounding the pavement doing the super spreader thing while Biden hunkers down and keeps his appearances limited

                          ...that's how his people keep the gaffes under control

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                          • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                            Found the quote. It was some one else than i Initially thought.
                            The silent majority is going to vote in big numbers. The polls don't capture this because there have been instances where the media has either blocked or boycotted Trump's popularity through many polls. So these polls don't reflect the sentiment on the ground. Even in CA, the Democrats will get a big surprise. CA is considered a blue state but is going to turn purple



                            This person, Aditya Satsangi was in the group that set up the Howdy Modi meet in Houston. His org has teams across the country.

                            He's introduced as founder of a Super PAC org called Americans4hindus. Based in San Diego.

                            The program aired on LSTV on Oct 14 which is a more specialised C-SPAN that covers the lower house of parliament in India.

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                            • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                              How much did he win PA and WI by last time?
                              In 2016, The Trumpet won Michigan by 13,107 votes, but lost it by 38,313 if one adds the non-Clinton left. Pennsylvania was +64,678, or +15,826, so a win either way.


                              The most interesting are Kentucky, which he won by 1,548, but would have lost by 13,673 if the left was better organized; and Wisconsin (+12,506 vs -6,768).


                              In Colorado, he lost by 129,029, but if both left fringe and right fringe voted for one of the two main parties, Clinton would have lost by 2,400.

                              Trust me?
                              I'm an economist!

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                              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                Who's George ?

                                George is out there pounding the pavement doing the super spreader thing while Biden hunkers down and keeps his appearances limited

                                ...that's how his people keep the gaffes under control
                                George Lopez. The man doing the interviewing. It's not a gaffe to know the name of the person interviewing you. It's called basic human manners.

                                This crap was debunked on Monday. Try to keep up.
                                “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                                ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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