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  • The only thing that will stop or ameliorate Trump's scorched earth vengeance will be public servants and appointees that still have a conscience.

    This right here, Joe.

    This is why the recent executive order regarding the Civil Service is so terrifying for career civil service. There are a LOT of DOJ, DOD & DOD career employees who are at risk of having their careers destroyed in the 77 days after election day.

    I was notified yesterday afternoon the the executive order may include me and my peers. And we have NOTHING to do with anything which smacks of the political.

    I shouldn't be in fear of being punished for doing my job. And BTW, I swore an oath for this position.
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
      The only thing that will stop or ameliorate Trump's scorched earth vengeance will be...
      ...the use of the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

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      • Originally posted by JRT View Post

        ...the use of the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
        Never happen. Until Trump runs out of the White House slathered in motor oil, speaking in tongues and shitting on the front lawn in full view of the Press Corps, the 25th Amendment will never be invoked.

        Best case scenario, his "Administration" pulls a "Nixon in his final days" move and ignores his more batshit dictates.
        My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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        • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
          Never happen. Until Trump runs out of the White House slathered in motor oil, speaking in tongues and shitting on the front lawn in full view of the Press Corps, the 25th Amendment will never be invoked.
          Does it have to be motor oil, or maybe just some orange cheddar cheese powder.
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          • Originally posted by JRT View Post
            Does it have to be motor oil, or maybe just some orange cheddar cheese powder.
            He's been covered in that for years....
            My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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            • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
              It would seem opinions from THIS WEEK disagree with your opinion piece from 2 weeks ago...

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...k-market-2020/

              https://fortune.com/2020/10/28/stock...ump-will-lose/
              Yeah i checked the latest index and mentioned it. The reason for that dip is the stimulus has been delayed so some people decided to cash in hence drop. The market knows there is a stimulus coming though and has priced it in.

              Sridhar pointed this out a couple of days back.

              What about jobs ?

              Jobless claims fall to March levels. Another dem myth busted

              Update: Sridhar mentioned today, that the market thinks there might be a delay in the stimulus to the extent of over 60 days with attendant economic consequences so people dumped stocks and cashed in, that's why the index went down.

              Dems want 1.8 tr stimulus, Repubs at $500 bn. Pretty big gap to reconcile just there
              Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Oct 20,, 00:47.

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              • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                Never happen. Until Trump runs out of the White House slathered in motor oil, speaking in tongues and shitting on the front lawn in full view of the Press Corps, the 25th Amendment will never be invoked.

                Best case scenario, his "Administration" pulls a "Nixon in his final days" move and ignores his more batshit dictates.
                My intended point was there is a lawful process, that the Constitition provides the political leverage, and if Trump's damaging misbehavior reaches a level perceived to be in excess of what they will tolerate from him, those empowered by the Constitution can and may prevent him from doing more damage, at the nonviolent stroke of a pen.

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                • Originally posted by JRT View Post

                  My intended point was there is a lawful process, that the Constitition provides the political leverage, and if Trump's damaging misbehavior reaches a level perceived to be in excess of what they will tolerate from him, those empowered by the Constitution can and may prevent him from doing more damage, at the nonviolent stroke of a pen.
                  You're absolutely right, there is indeed a lawful process.

                  But the chances of it being invoked and followed through are between "slim" and "none". It requires the President's slavishly sycophantic Cabinet to turn against their source of power. If people like James Mattis and James Kelly were still in their former positions, then it would have a better chance of happening. But all that is left are people are completely in Trump's thrall, or so selfishly absorbed with their own position that invoking the 25th Amendment will occur only if Trump does something so far beyond the norms of a functioning human being that they have no choice.

                  Take a good read at that link I posted about Nixon if you haven't already. It's extremely illuminating in light our current catastrophe.
                  My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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                  • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                    DE,
                    or, it just shows that some right-wingers are going online to vent-- which doesn't do anything politically, and is not a good indicator of where conservatives are relative to the entire population of Wisconsin.

                    also, regarding California again:

                    https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...nia-poll-shows
                    Couldn't find the quote. Went back two months. Problem with these discussions is there is no transcript. Wait and see and then you can tell me how purple your state went

                    Another commentator I was listening to which i found particularly good as it was informative

                    Trump won the last debate in the sense he defended his position. This is what people were expecting from him.

                    Course there aren't much undecided voters to get so this debate like the other two is just for mobilisation of both bases.

                    As for online being any indicator, i recall people getting hounded on some online forums for merely saying they supported Trump.

                    Vibhuti mentioned that people with lawn signs supporting Trump faced the same problem and in some cases violently.

                    That's your silent Trump supporter the polls cannot capture and will make their views known at the polling booth. That is if they turn up in strength.

                    He also mentioned something else. There was this tendency with Trump to reverse as much of Obama's policies as possible.

                    The reason is Obama wanted to change America in a fundamental way. Which Trump was against.

                    Fortunately the US isn't a country that is well disposed to socialism.

                    Why do I listen to these people ?

                    Your mainstream has a liberal bias which isn't useful to follow a Republican administration. My mainstream quotes yours and does not help much.

                    In 2020 there are alternative platforms. People who speak to an Indian audience, have lived in the US for decades and plug me into the thinking of the ruling camp. A weekly summary such as this with comparisons with what happens here makes for compelling listening.

                    This is not slick packaged corporate media. It's peoples media.
                    Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Oct 20,, 21:43.

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                    • It occoured to me the other day that decades ago people used to laugh at conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche when he ran for President and saw his followers for the cult they were. Now America has a President almost as detached from acceptable norms & reality as LaRouche and tens of millions of citizens acting the exact same way LaRouche followers used to.

                      Talk about the decline of the Republic.
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                      • Commentator was talking about the decline of bipartisanship. He traced its start to the Obama administration.

                        Think what will happen if Trump wins a second term. People are talking about riots.

                        It's not that he won't step down if he loses but all hell will break lose if he wins.

                        If he loses he might have to move to another country.
                        Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Oct 20,, 23:53.

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                        • Big tech comes prepared with veiled threats about regulation following the NYPost debacle.

                          That story got pulled quick but another from China ran for sixty days before the fact checkers decided it was wrong.

                          Pretty obvious the bias here as he points out.
                          Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Oct 20,, 00:16.

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                          • Republicans are narrowing the early voting gap in these states
                            (CNN)In four key states -- Florida, North Carolina, Nevada and Iowa -- Republicans are beginning to narrow the Democratic advantage in pre-Election Day voting.

                            More than 12 million ballots have been cast in these four states, which could be crucial in determining the next president.

                            The candidates' schedules reflect the focus on these states. President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden were both in Florida on Thursday campaigning for the state's 29 electoral votes. Later, Trump was set to travel to North Carolina, while Vice President Mike Pence was scheduled for campaign stops in Iowa and Nevada. Biden is due in Iowa on Friday.
                            With five days until November 3, here's a deeper look at who's already voted in these key states, with data from Catalist, a company that provides data, analytics and other services to Democrats, academics and nonprofit issue-advocacy organizations

                            Florida
                            Trump won Florida by slightly over one percentage point last cycle.
                            In the last week, voters under 30 have slightly increased their share of Florida's early voting electorate, from 8% to 10%. Other age groups have also seen small increases, further diminishing the dominance of Florida's senior voters 65 or older, who made up 45% of early voters a week ago, but now make up only 39%.
                            Florida's early voting electorate is slightly more diverse than at this time four years ago. Hispanic voters' share of the pre-Election Day vote has increased from 14% four years ago to 16% now, and Black voters' share has ticked slightly up from 12% then to 13% now. The vote from White voters is down three points from this point in 2016.
                            Republicans are narrowing the gap in pre-election ballots cast. Democrats currently lead by four points. A week ago, it was nine points. Party advantage is not predictive of outcome -- but nationwide polling shows many Republicans also prefer voting in person on Election Day rather than early.

                            North Carolina
                            Trump won the Tar Heel State by more than three percentage points in 2016.
                            Young people are continuing to vote in large numbers in North Carolina. Last week, voters under 30 made up about 11% of early voters but that's now ticked up slightly to over 12%.
                            Democrats have lost some of their lead in the pre-election vote. Last week, they had a 12-point advantage over Republicans in ballots cast. Currently, it stands at eight points.
                            By race, White voters account for the majority of ballots already cast in North Carolina at 72%, followed by Black voters with the second largest share of those ballots at 22%. This remains nearly identical to the racial composition of the early voting electorate four years ago.

                            Iowa
                            Iowa remains a competitive battleground this cycle after Trump won the Hawkeye State by more than nine percentage points in 2016. The state also has a key Senate race between incumbent Republican Joni Ernst and Democratic challenger Theresa Greenfield.
                            Democrats continue to cast pre-election ballots at a much higher rate than Republicans, similar to 2016. At 49% of the pre-election vote, Democrats have a 17-point lead over Republicans, who stand at 32%. Republicans, however, have slightly narrowed that gap over the last week by four points.
                            By race, Iowa's current pre-Election Day electorate is similar to this point in 2016, with White voters comprising the vast majority of early voters at 94%.
                            Iowa hasn't seen as large a shift in age breakdown as some other states. Voters under 30 make up 10% of all early voters -- up only three points from this time four years ago. Voters 30-64 are up five points from 42% of turnout at this point four years ago to 47% now. Voters 65 and older make up a smaller share of early voters than at this point four years ago.

                            Nevada
                            Nevada had a narrow margin of defeat for Trump four years ago, with about two percentage points separating him from Hillary Clinton.
                            Nevada's early voting electorate is trending younger compared to the last week. Eleven percent of voters so far are under 30; last week it was only 9%. Voters 65 or older have gone from 40% of early voters last week to 35% now.
                            About two-thirds of Nevada's pre-election ballots come from White voters, which is a small decrease from 70% four years ago. Hispanic voters make up the second largest share of those ballots at 13%, a slight uptick from in 2016. Black voters and Asian voters have also seen one-percentage-point increases in their shares of the early vote.Republicans are narrowing the Democratic advantage in the pre-election vote. Last week, Democrats led Republicans by 12 points. As more ballots have been returned in the vote-by-mail state, the 42% of ballots cast by Democrats is now only seven points higher than Republicans' 35%.
                            My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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                            • Trump loses FL he's gone. But Biden still has chances if he loses FL

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                              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                                Trump loses FL he's gone. But Biden still has chances if he loses FL
                                Absolutely correct
                                My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.

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