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  • Trump Admits China, Russia, North Korea Are Rooting for Him to Beat Biden

    President Trump, as a way of deflecting attention from his ongoing collusion with Russia, has been claiming for months that the Chinese government wants Joe Biden to win (possibly true) and is actively working to advance his election (almost certainly false). He has also been claiming that Biden is barely able to function (obviously untrue.) At a rally today, the two claims collided in an unfortunate way.

    Trump launched a riff about how various dictators all don’t want Biden to win because he is too sleepy.

    “The only thing I can tell you for sure: President Xi from China, President Putin from Russia, Kim Jong-un, North Korea, and I could name 40 others, they’re sharp as a tack. They don’t want to deal with Sleepy Joe,” he said. “One of them said to me, one of the leaders said, ‘We don’t want to deal with somebody that sleeps all the time.’”

    Here is a case where Trump has forgotten the difference between the way he thinks about various dictators and the way his audience does. Trump regards Xi, Putin, and Kim with admiration. He envies their dictatorial powers, and glories in the flattery they lavish on him. Trump has already won the open endorsement of many of the right-wing authoritarian nationalists with whom his is increasingly allied: Bolsonaro, Orban, Duterte, and Putin. In Trump’s mind, the idea that they prefer him over Biden is a strong argument for his own reelection.

    That is not, however, the line he is trying to sell the public.
    ________

    Dumbass can't even keep his fantasies consistent.
    “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
    ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    • Russia & Kim might want him but China & Iran want Biden

      Interesting split among those four right there.

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      • In an era of trillion dollar stimulus plans does fiscal conservatism even resonate any more ?

        Joe Biden's 7 deadly economic sins: Stephen Moore | Fox (op-ed) | Oct 21 2020

        I see a $400 bn bailout for badly managed states. Which ones are those ?

        All blue. California, Illinois, New Jersey and New York. Two more were mentioned as well. Oregon & Washington

        Yay!

        When you screw up your state blame the centre and get some political mileage out of it.

        Great plan, works in my country too


        The Cost of Bidenomics | WSJ (edit) | Oct 18 2020

        Who's listening.

        TRUMP's THE DISEASE. BIDEN'S THE CURE. IF YOU'RE BROKE, BIDEN WILL HELP YOU.
        Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Oct 20,, 02:10.

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        • Originally posted by astralis View Post
          PA was a major swing state in 2016. you can argue credibly that PA is purple.
          Ah, i see how you define purple there. Blue state but still went with Trump hence purple.

          By this definition CA is not purple.

          the shock for the Clinton campaign was not PA going for Trump, but Wisconsin.
          Back in May there were these facebook groups that started up to lobby for an end to the lockdown.

          Guess which state's facebook page had the most members in like a week after it started.

          Wisconsin.

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          • DE,

            Ah, i see how you define purple there. Blue state but still went with Trump hence purple.
            purple is fairly easily defined. a state with relatively even numbers of voters from both parties. in this cycle, Texas and North Carolina and Georgia are purple states, not California.

            Guess which state's facebook page had the most members in like a week after it started.

            Wisconsin.
            this is a meaningless metric, because social media engagement =/= political reality.

            IE Twitter overall has a very definite liberal activist slant, but using that to measure a state's political lean is...dumb.
            There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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            • ah, Stephen Moore: the guy who predicted runaway inflation during the Obama years, that the 2013 Kansas tax cuts would produce a "near immediate boost" to the Kansas economy, and is known for lying so badly that one paper stopped publishing his articles after they had to publish multiple corrections to his work.
              There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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              • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                "as many as 10" -- that's pathetic.

                during Watergate, there were 42 GOP Senators; after the smoking gun tape came out, Goldwater told Nixon that there were maybe 15 Senators who'd acquit him.
                For some of us, that counted as "current events" in school!
                “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                Mark Twain

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                • Originally posted by astralis View Post
                  ah, Stephen Moore: the guy who predicted runaway inflation during the Obama years, that the 2013 Kansas tax cuts would produce a "near immediate boost" to the Kansas economy, and is known for lying so badly that one paper stopped publishing his articles after they had to publish multiple corrections to his work.
                  I did a double take when I saw that name. I was thinking..."that HAS to be a different Stephen Moore!?!?!"
                  “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                  Mark Twain

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                  • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                    Oh were you under the mistaken impression that there's even a shred of morality in Cult45?

                    As you said: Seriously, WTF!

                    Remember what your cult leader said (and argued all the way up to the Supreme Court:

                    "You know what else they say about my people? The polls, they say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters, okay? It’s like incredible"

                    So yeah, beating a 10 year old girl probably wouldn't faze them.

                    That's the cult that you belong to surfgun. Just fucking own it for once.
                    Please don't feed the trolls.
                    Trust me?
                    I'm an economist!

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                    • Originally posted by DOR View Post
                      Please don't feed the trolls.
                      Trolls need love too
                      “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                      ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                      • The Middle Finger Election

                        If Trump wins, explains Rich Lowry, the editor of the journal founded by William F. Buckley Jr., it will be because he is “The Only Middle Finger Available.”

                        Voters will back Trump not because he stands athwart history, yelling “Stop,” or because he offers a compelling vision of a Trumpian Morning in America, writes Lowry, but because he is a giant opportunity to say F*ck You to the media, academia, Hollywood, professional athletes, and entire world of woke culture.

                        He’s not wrong.

                        Lowry’s argument is part description and part rationalization. He notes that the middle finger “may not be a very good reason to vote for a president, and it doesn’t excuse Trump’s abysmal conduct and maladministration.”

                        But, he explains, “Trump is, for better or worse, theforemost symbol of resistance to the overwhelming woke cultural tide.” He has become the anointed vessel “for registering opposition to everything from the 1619 Project to social media’s attempted suppression of the Hunter Biden story.”
                        To put it in blunt terms, for many people, he’s the only middle finger available — to brandish against the people who’ve assumed they have the whip hand in American culture.

                        The tweets, the insults, the bullying aren’t the bugs; they are just different versions of the middle finger — and his people love it. Conservative ideas are just the gloss.

                        I suspect that Buckley himself would’ve had a different word for this: nihilism.

                        But we are also seeing the devolution of the right, from Buckley, to Reagan, to the Flight 93 election, and now to the Election of the Raised Middle Finger. On this trajectory, 2024 will be The Grunt and Head-Butt Election (an essay by Victor Davis Hanson).

                        But the raised middle finger is a useful image, because it also manages to describe what a Trump second term would look like.

                        As Axios reported “a win next week, no matter the margin, will embolden Trump to ax anyone he sees as constraining him from enacting desired policies or going after perceived enemies.”

                        He is already planning a festival of retribution, which includes firing FBI Director Christopher Wray, CIA Director Gina Haspel, and Defense Secretary Mark Esper, reports Axios. A safely re-elected Trump would also be unleashed to turn the Department of Justice into a weapon of political revenge.

                        He has already signaled his plans to gut much of the Civil Service, issuing an order “that strips job protections from employees in policy roles across the government.”

                        Beyond that? There is no second term economic plan. The debt and deficit? No idea at all. He will likely purge more medical experts and continue to wield his magical thinking against the coronavirus until we get a vaccine. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will die and the economy will be weighed down for years.

                        On immigration, expect more cruelty, as there be no one to dissuade Trump from his pet ideas that include things like sharpened spikes on his new Wall. He may pull out of NATO. The corruption will continue, and Republicans will look the other way.


                        And none of this will come as a surprise, because everyone will have understood what the election was really all about.

                        Trump never pretended that he had a second term agenda. Last summer, longtime fluffer Sean Hannity served up a softball question when he asked Trump “What are your top priority items for a second term?"

                        This was Trump’s full answer. Savor it:
                        "Well, one of the things that will be really great -- you know, the word experience is still good. I always say talent is more important than experience, I've always said that. But the word experience is a very important word. It's a very important meaning. I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. I was in Washington, I think, 17 times, all of a sudden, I'm president of the United States. You know the story, I'm riding down Pennsylvania Avenue with our first lady and I say, this is great. But I didn't know very many people in Washington. It wasn't my thing. I was from Manhattan, from New York. Now, I know everybody and I have great people in the administration. You make some mistakes like, you know, an idiot like Bolton. All he wanted to do was drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to kill people."

                        Afterward, he was given multiple chances to give a better answer, but he never did. As Peter Baker later wrote in the New York Times:

                        How would he be different in a second term? Really not much at all. “I think I’d be similar,” he said. Which is exactly what his supporters want and his opponents fear.

                        Beyond more of the same, he has strained lately to define what his second-term agenda would be. Asked at various points, even by friendly interviewers on Fox News, he has offered meandering answers. His fellow Republicans seem no more certain. They therefore dispensed with a party platform altogether, opting instead for a simple resolution of loyalty to the president.

                        “But so I think, I think it would be, I think it would be very, very, I think we’d have a very, very solid, we would continue what we’re doing, we’d solidify what we’ve done, and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done,” he said.

                        In other words, he has no idea. And much of the MAGAverse don’t care.

                        As Ben Shapiro explained, his most important reason for backing Trump this time around was that “Democrats have lost their fucking minds."

                        Four years ago, Shapiro had posted a six minute video on YouTube titled “Donald Trump is a Liar.” The next month, he wrote, “I Will Never Vote for Donald Trump: Here’s Why.

                        But, like Lowry and National Review, he has evolved.

                        Shapiro explains his reversal by pointing to what he sees as Trump’s record as a conservative, but he strains to rationalize Trump’s mendacity, which he acknowledges. So he’s left to argue that however bad Trump is, the “damage that President Trump has done to the country, on a character and rhetorical level, has already been done and cannot be undone. I don’t see it as getting worse day by day. That is the new status quo unfortunately.”

                        In a recent endorsement video, Shapiro insisted that "I have been very clear on my feelings about Donald Trump's character. I have serious reservations to say the least...” He worried about “the soul sucking of the Republican Party to approve Trump’s bad behavior; people nodding and grinning at bad stuff Trump did….”

                        But, he insisted, “Trump has some good qualities.”

                        “He’s a hammer in search of a nail. Sometimes he hits a nail and it is super satisfying and sometimes he hits a baby and it is far less satisfying…. [Emphasis added.]

                        Apparently, you have to smash some babies to make an omelet, or something.

                        Shapiro dismisses all of this because, he says, “whatever damage he was going to do has already been done.”

                        But this is a Vesuvius of wrongness.

                        With Trump, it can always get worse, because there is no bottom. In just four years, Trump has already made the conservative movement, dumber, crueler, more dishonest, and more extreme. Rationalization has turned to acceptance. As the toll rises from the pandemic the pro-life party increasingly behaves like a death cult.

                        Four years into his presidency, Trump can tweet conspiracy theories about Seal Team Six, and Republicans no longer even blink.

                        What will be the butcher’s bill for another four years of Trump’s denialism and flimflammery?

                        Two years of accommodating deception, cruelty and corruption, can be a temporary bargain.

                        In four years, it becomes a habit.

                        In eight years, it becomes a culture.

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                        See surfgun, sometimes it's not shooting 10 year old girls, it's hitting a baby...but if that's what it takes to get the job done, right?

                        (By the way, in case you missed it, those are Ben Shapiro's words, not mine.)

                        But my takeaway from this article is that your love of Trump as "the anti-lefty" is exactly what the majority of the cult loves as well.
                        Cruelty, thuggery, sociopathic indifference to the suffering of non-cult Americans....these are desirable features, not bugs.
                        “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                        ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                        • Chatting with some one that has no clue about American politics, the topic of age came up

                          Trump remains the oldest president elected into office ever.

                          At the end of a second term Trump will be as old as Biden entering his first term.

                          Given that Presidents have won re-election since the last thirty years, Biden will be 86 by the time he finishes.

                          Will he last that long. Maybe. Otherwise his deputy takes over.

                          So why will people vote for Biden in the first place. What does he bring that is so appealing.

                          He is only for those that hate Trump. He's not Trump. Sounds like the Democrat campaign of 2004.

                          There is no anti-incumbency factor at play here.

                          Better the devil you know

                          Trump it is.
                          Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Oct 20,, 19:32.

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                          • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            Chatting with some one that has no clue about American politics, the topic of age came up

                            Trump remains the oldest president elected into office ever.

                            At the end of a second term Trump will be as old as Biden entering his first term.

                            Given that Presidents have won re-election since the last thirty years, Biden will be 86 by the time he finishes.

                            Will he last that long. Maybe. Otherwise his deputy takes over.

                            So why will people vote for Biden in the first place. What does he bring that is so appealing.

                            He is only for those that hate Trump. He's not Trump. Sounds like the Democrat campaign of 2004.

                            There is no anti-incumbency factor at play here.

                            Better the devil you know

                            Trump it is.
                            There is no comparison between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. None. If you or your friend think that there is, then you clearly don't know jack shit about Donald Trump or Joe Biden.
                            “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                            ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                            • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post

                              There is no comparison between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. None. If you or your friend think that there is, then you clearly don't know jack shit about Donald Trump or Joe Biden.
                              Nether was there between Bush & Kerry

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                              • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post

                                Nether was there between Bush & Kerry
                                Neither Bush, nor Kerry, are a valid comparison to Donald Trump. Which, again, is something you would already know if you knew anything about any of them.

                                Your knowledge of the United States, its politics and politicians is exceedingly poor. You make that blindingly obvious every time you post about it.
                                “Never let yourself be persuaded that any one Great Man, any one leader, is necessary to the salvation of America. When America consists of one leader and 158 million followers, it will no longer be America.”
                                ― Dwight D. Eisenhower

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