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  • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post

    If he is not in office yet there will be no impacts on the military...Joe Biden is still president. But after he gets back into office he has talked about setting aside Posse Comitatus in favor of rules in place at the time of the founding of the Republic allowing the military to be involved with domestic activities.
    That's what I'm afraid of....January 20th 2024. He's not even trying to hide what he plans to do. I can only hope that there are enough men and women of principle and honor to stop him.
    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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    • Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
      That's what I'm afraid of....January 20th 2024. He's not even trying to hide what he plans to do. I can only hope that there are enough men and women of principle and honor to stop him.
      A saving grace is our CJCS is GEN CQ Brown, USAF. I don't see him following anything illegal. I think you would see mass resignations and retirements if it is tried.
      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
      Mark Twain

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      • Federal prosecutors reveal evidence they want to use against Trump — his own words


        WASHINGTON — Special counsel Jack Smith plans to use former President Donald Trump's own words against him in the upcoming federal election interference trial, according to a new court filing.

        Prosecutors said in Tuesday's filing that they want to focus on Trump's long history of calling election results "fraud" when the results don't suit him, as well as his vocal support for violent Jan. 6 rioters.

        In addition to a lengthy list of Trump's public statements over the past decade, the nine-page filing from Smith's office refers to an incident involving an unidentified Trump campaign employee who allegedly tried to obstruct the 2020 vote count in the battleground state of Michigan, which Trump won in 2016, after the tally began to swing Joe Biden's way.

        According to prosecutors, the employee messaged a lawyer supporting the Trump campaign's operations in Detroit and "encouraged rioting and other methods of obstruction when he learned that the vote count was trending in favor of the defendant’s opponent."

        That portion of the filing, which is largely redacted, said that soon after the messages were sent, "a large number of untrained individuals flooded" the voting site at the TCF Center, since renamed Huntington Place, "and began making illegitimate and aggressive challenges to the vote count. Thereafter, Trump made repeated false claims regarding election activities at the TCF Center, when in truth his agent was seeking to cause a riot to disrupt the count."

        The bulk of the filing focuses on Trump's comments before and after the 2020 election, when he sought to sow doubt about the results and intimidate those who challenged him.

        The filing said Trump's remarks casting doubt on the results of the 2012 and 2016 elections will be presented as evidence in his Washington, D.C., trial, scheduled to begin in March, because they reflect Trump’s “historical record of making such claims."

        Molly Gaston, senior assistant special counsel, cited a tweet from Trump in November 2012 that she said made “baseless claims that voting machines had switched votes from then-candidate (Mitt) Romney to then-candidate (Barack) Obama.”

        “During the 2016 presidential campaign, the defendant claimed repeatedly, with no basis, that there was widespread voter fraud — including through public statements and tweets,” Gaston added.

        Statements like those, prosecutors argue, illustrate Trump's "plan of falsely blaming fraud for election results he does not like."

        A spokesperson for Trump, Steven Cheung, said, “Crooked Joe Biden, Deranged Jack Smith, and the rest of the Hacks and Thugs attempting to interfere in the 2024 election are getting so desperate to attack President Trump that they are perverting justice by trying to include claims that weren’t anywhere to be found in their dreamt up, fake indictment. President Trump will not be deterred.”

        Trump is charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction and conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one’s vote counted for trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

        Prosecutors said they intend to show how Trump had "an established pattern of using public statements and social media posts to subject his perceived adversaries to threats and harassment."

        Among other examples, the filing points to Trump's treatment of two Georgia election workers who aren't named but who fit the descriptions of Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea ArShaye "Shaye" Moss, who were falsely accused of rigging votes by Trump and his allies. The filing says Trump continued to "falsely attack" the pair "despite being on notice that his claims about them in 2020 were false and had subjected them to vile, racist, and violent threats and harassment."

        It also noted that after the House Jan. 6 committee published transcripts of its interviews with the two women in December of last year, when they "provided graphic testimony about the threats and harassment they endured after the defendant and his agents falsely accused them," Trump then "doubled down and recommenced his attacks on the election workers in posts on Truth Social. He even zeroed in on one of the election workers, falsely writing that she was an election fraudster, a liar, and one of the 'treacher[ous] . . . monsters' who stole the country, and that she would be in legal trouble."

        The filing said those attacks are "after-the-fact corroboration" of Trump's intent because his remarks came "after it was incontrovertibly clear" that his false claims had caused them harm. That sequence of events, prosecutors argue, means "that the jury may properly infer that he intended that result."

        Another redacted portion of the filing alleges that Trump and "co-conspirator 1," who NBC News has identified as his then-lawyer Rudy Giuliani, retaliated against the former chief counsel to the Republican National Committee for "publicly refuting" their election fraud lies.

        A spokesperson for Giuliani did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

        Smith's office said it also plans to point to Trump's public support of some Jan. 6 rioters as "patriots" and political hostages.

        "Of particular note are the specific January 6 offenders whom the defendant has supported— namely, individuals convicted of some of the most serious crimes charged in relation to January 6, such as seditious conspiracy and violent assaults on police officers," the filing said. "During a September 17, 2023, appearance on Meet the Press, for instance, the defendant said regarding Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio—who was convicted of seditious conspiracy—'I want to tell you, he and other people have been treated horribly.' The defendant then criticized the kinds of lengthy sentences received only by defendants who, like Tarrio, committed the most serious crimes on January 6."

        Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years in prison, before Trump's remarks on "Meet the Press," for his role in plotting the breach of the Capitol.

        "Evidence of the defendant’s post-conspiracy embrace of particularly violent and notorious rioters is admissible to establish the defendant’s motive and intent on January 6—that he sent supporters, including groups like the Proud Boys, whom he knew were angry, and whom he now calls 'patriots,' to the Capitol to achieve the criminal objective of obstructing the congressional certification," it said.

        "And finally, evidence of the defendant’s statements regarding possible pardons for January 6 offenders is admissible to help the jury assess the credibility and motives of trial witnesses, because through such comments, the defendant is publicly signaling that the law does not apply to those who act at his urging regardless of the legality of their actions."
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        There's that word again and again....'intent'.
        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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        • Fake Donald Trump electors settle civil lawsuit in Wisconsin, agree that President Biden won


          Former President Donald Trump speaks at a rally, Aug. 5, 2022, in Waukesha, Wis. Ten Republicans who posed as fake electors for former President Trump in Wisconsin and filed paperwork falsely saying he had won the battleground state have settled a civil lawsuit and admitted their actions were part of an effort to overturn President Joe Biden's victory, attorneys who filed the case announced Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2023.

          MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Ten Republicans who posed as fake electors for former President Donald Trump in Wisconsin and filed paperwork falsely saying he had won the battleground state have settled a civil lawsuit and admitted their actions were part of an effort to overturn President Joe Biden's victory, attorneys who filed the case announced Wednesday.

          Under the agreement, the fake electors acknowledged that Biden won the state, withdrew their filings and agreed not to serve as presidential electors in 2024 or any other election where Trump is on the ballot.

          The 10 fake electors agreed to send a statement to the government offices that received the Electoral College votes saying that their actions were “part of an attempt to improperly overturn the 2020 presidential election results.”

          The settlement marks the first time that any Trump electors have revoked their filings sent to Congress purporting that Trump had won in seven battleground states. Nevada on Wednesday became the third state to criminally charge fake electors, following Georgia and Michigan. Trump faces charges in Georgia and in a federal investigation of his conduct related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.

          The settlement was announced by Law Forward, Georgetown University Law Center’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection and the Madison-based Stafford Rosenbaum law firm.

          “Americans believe in democracy and the idea that the people choose their leaders through elections,” said Jeff Mandell, one of the attorneys who brought the case on behalf of Democratic voters, including two who served as Biden electors. “The defendants’ actions violated those bedrock principles. We brought this case to ensure that they are held accountable.”

          There is no known criminal investigation ongoing in Wisconsin. Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul has signaled that he is relying on federal investigators to look into what happened in Wisconsin, while also not ruling out a state probe.

          Democrats brought the lawsuit last year seeking $2.4 million in damages from 10 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring Trump as the 2020 election winner in Wisconsin. They also sued two of Trump’s attorneys, including one who has already pleaded guilty to other charges stemming from the 2020 election in Georgia.

          The case was scheduled to go to a trial by jury in September 2024, two months before the presidential election.

          Under the deal, the fake electors don’t pay any damages or attorneys fees and there is no admission of wrongdoing or liability.

          The Wisconsin GOP electors have long said that they were partaking in the plan in case a court later ruled that Trump had won the state. One of the fake electors, former Wisconsin state Republican Chairman Andrew Hitt, repeated that position in a statement Wednesday.

          “The Wisconsin electors were tricked and misled into participating in what became the alternate elector scheme and would have never taken any actions had we known that there were ulterior reasons beyond preserving an ongoing legal strategy,” he said. Hitt said he has been working with the Justice Department since May of 2022 and he will not be supporting Trump in 2024.

          The fake elector plan hatched in seven battleground states was central to the federal indictment filed against Trump earlier in August that alleged he tried to overturn results of the 2020 election. Federal prosecutors said the scheme originated in Wisconsin.

          Fake electors met in Wisconsin and six other states where Trump was defeated in 2020 and signed certificates that falsely stated Trump, not Biden, won their states. The fake certificates were ignored.

          One of the attorneys named in the Wisconsin lawsuit, Kenneth Chesebro, pleaded guilty to a felony charge of conspiracy to commit filing false documents after being charged with participating in efforts to overturn Trump’s loss in Georgia. Chesebro was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with violating the state’s anti-racketeering law.

          The Wisconsin lawsuit cites a memo Chesebro sent to Trump’s attorney in Wisconsin, Jim Troupis, in November 2020 detailing the elector plan.

          Under the settlement, the 10 fake electors promised to assist the Department of Justice with its ongoing investigation. They also agreed to help the Democrats as they continue their lawsuit against Troupis and Chesebro.

          Troupis and Chesebro did not return voicemail messages seeking comment.

          The fake electors also released nearly 600 pages of documents related to their scheme, under terms of the settlement.

          Those show one Republican involved with the fake elector plot texting another one referring to their action declaring Trump the winner of Wisconsin as a “possible steal.” The sender said they felt compelled to go along with the plan or else Trump supporters would be upset and there “would be a target on my back.”

          Government and outside investigationshave uniformly found there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could have swung the election from Biden. Trump has continued to spread falsehoods about the 2020 election.

          Electors are people appointed to represent voters in presidential elections. The winner of the popular vote in each state determines which party’s electors are sent to the Electoral College, which meets in December after the election to certify the outcome.
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          ButButBut sEvErAl sTaTeS iN 2020 vIoLaTeD tHe cOnStItUtIoN iN hOw tHeY cOnDuCtEd tHe eLeCtIoN!!
          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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          • Nevada grand jury indicts six pro-Trump fake electors


            A Nevada grand jury has indicted six individuals who acted as fake electors in a scheme intended to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 election win, according to the state’s attorney general.

            The indictments make Nevada the third state, joining Michigan and Georgia, to bring charges against those who served as fake pro-Trump electors after the 2020 election.

            The six Nevadans charged are fake electors: Michael McDonald, Jesse Law, Jim DeGraffenreid, Durward James Hindle III, Shawn Meehan and Eileen Rice.

            Attorney General Aaron Ford’s office released a short statement stating, “We cannot allow attacks on democracy to go unchallenged. Today’s indictments are the product of a long and thorough investigation, and as we pursue this prosecution, I am confident that our judicial system will see justice done.”

            As part of the effort to help then-President Donald Trump be reelected, six Republicans in Nevada signed false Electoral College votes in December 2020 for Trump, who lost the state to Biden, according to special counsel Jack Smith’s federal indictment, the House select committee that investigated January 6, 2021, and the Nevada attorney general’s office.

            Nevada is among at least five states that have launched criminal investigations into efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Two of those states – Michigan and Georgia – have already brought criminal charges against some of the people who signed onto the alternative slates of fake electors, and more charges could be brought soon.

            Nevada’s case ramped up after prosecutors secured the cooperation of a key witness, Kenneth Chesebro, a lawyer who helped orchestrate the fake electors plot across multiple states. In late 2020, Chesebro wrote a series of memos spelling out what the pro-Trump electors should do in their respective states.

            In one memo, Chesebro acknowledged that he was promoting a “controversial strategy” that even the Supreme Court with its conservative supermajority would “likely” reject.
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            “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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            • Always nice when they self identify!

              Screw them to the wall!
              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
              Mark Twain

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              • Jack Smith reveals sweeping scope of bid to debunk Trump election machine claims


                Special counsel Jack Smith on Saturday sharply rejected former President Donald Trump’s contention that foreign governments may have changed votes in the 2020 election, laying bare new details about his team’s extensive probe of the matter and its access to a vast array of senior intelligence officials in Trump’s administration.

                In a 45-page filing, Smith’s team describes interviewing more than a dozen of the top intelligence officials in Trump’s administration — from his director of national intelligence to the administrator of the NSA to Trump’s personal intelligence briefer — about any evidence that foreign governments had penetrated systems that counted votes in 2020.

                “The answer from every single official was no,” senior assistant special counsel Thomas Windom writes in the filing.


                The filing was part of the special counsel’s opposition to a bid by Trump to access a broad swath of classified intelligence as part of his defense against charges that he conspired to subvert the 2020 election and disenfranchise millions of voters, culminating in the violent Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. Trump has argued that foreign governments fueled his supporters’ concerns about election integrity and that some classified evidence revealed potential meddling that justified his own professed fears about fraud.

                But prosecutors say Trump’s new legal effort is just an extension of his election lies — and that, in fact, intelligence officials unanimously rejected the idea that foreign governments penetrated any systems that counted votes or could have altered the election tally itself. Rather, they said, intel officials documented some breaches of state voter registration databases that permitted various influence campaigns but were not capable of causing the vote-stealing scheme of which Trump has long sought to convince his followers.

                Trump, Windom writes, tries to create a “false impression” and “manufacture confusion” by citing these “irrelevant network breaches” and conflating them with potential changes to the vote total.

                To rebut these claims, Windom indicates that prosecutors asked Trump’s “former DNI, former acting secretary of DHS, former acting deputy secretary of DHS, former CISA director, former acting CISA director, former CISA senior cyber counsel, former national security adviser, former deputy NSA, former chief of staff to the National Security Council, former chairman of the Election Assistance Commission, presidential intelligence briefer, former secretary of Defense and former DOJ leadership” for any evidence of that foreign or domestic actors flipped a single vote from a voting machine in 2020.

                They offered none, he says.


                Windom also contended that Trump’s repeated effort to describe partisan bias in intelligence about the election belied that those making the assessments were his own appointees, buttressed by conclusions at a slew of intel agencies. Windom also specified that one noted instance of bias was allegedly committed in Trump’s favor by his own acting DNI.

                Trump himself declared the election “virtually impenetrable” to foreign interference just days after the vote, before shifting his rhetoric, Windom notes. This view was shared by “every other knowledgeable official” in his administration, prosecutors say.

                The filing also includes a more detailed breakdown of Smith’s broader investigation than previously known, an effort to counter Trump’s contention that he needs access to a much wider swath of evidence than the millions of pages prosecutors have provided.

                For example, Windom describes subpoenaing materials and witnesses from the Secret Service and the CISA. That evidence includes phones from Secret Service officials that prosecutors sought to mine for evidence only to find that none was “recoverable.” Prosecutors also emphasized that no current senior Justice Department officials are expected to be witnesses in Trump’s trial.

                Saturday’s filing adds to a collection of data points that reveal the extraordinarily wide aperture of Smith’s investigation.

                In addition to the officials described in the new filing, Smith has interviewed nearly every senior official in Trump’s West Wing, from Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to White House Counsel Pat Cipollone to Vice President Mike Pence. He has also obtained records from the National Archives, state governments and dozens of GOP leaders and activists who were involved in Trump’s effort to send slates of fraudulent presidential electors to Congress.

                Prosecutors also revealed they had provided Trump extensive details about the deployment of the National Guard on Jan. 6, including timelines of action that may not all have been made public.

                Prosecutors also used the filing to push back on Trump’s contention that the charges against him contradict the case the Justice Department has made against Jan. 6 rioters. There’s nothing contradictory, they say, about prosecutors claiming a Jan. 6 rioter was responsible for his or her own criminal actions while noting that they took their cues from Trump.

                And they opposed Trump’s bid for details about undercover agents or informants at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

                “The defendant’s effort to blame law enforcement for the riot of which they were victims,” Windom writes, “fares no better than the attempt of a bank robber to blame security guards who failed to stop his crimes.”

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                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                • Next up for blame will be the Klingons and Romulans. He'll probably throw in Tribbles while he is at it but no one will believe that one.

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                  • Exclusive: Recordings describe 2020 Oval Office photo-op where Trump was briefed on fake electors and January 6

                    Before a group of supportive lawyers entered the Oval Office for a photo-op with then-President Donald Trump in December 2020, they were given a clear instruction, according to one attendee: Don’t get Trump’s hopes up about overturning the election.

                    One attorney, Jim Troupis, toed the line. He’d just finished leading Trump’s failed election challenge in Wisconsin, and bluntly told the president it was over in that state.

                    But when the conversation shifted to Arizona, attorney Kenneth Chesebro deviated from the plan. He told Trump he could still win – and explained how the “alternate electors” he helped assemble in Arizona and six other states gave Trump an opening to continue contesting the election until Congress certified the results on January 6, 2021.

                    Chesebro’s optimistic comments immediately created problems by apparently giving Trump renewed hope that he could still somehow stay in office. Former RNC chairman Reince Priebus left the meeting “extremely concerned” about the January 6 conversation. Priebus, a Wisconsin native who served as Trump’s first chief of staff, later warned Troupis and Chesebro not to tell anyone about what happened.

                    This dramatic account comes from Chesebro, who sat for an interview last week with Michigan state prosecutors investigating the fake electors plot. CNN has exclusively obtained audio of that interview, which includes previously unreported details about the pivotal Oval Office meeting.

                    The Michigan attorney general already charged the 16 Republican electors who cast sham ballots in Lansing, and CNN recently reported that the investigation is still ongoing. Fifteen of the electors pleaded not guilty; one got his charges dropped in a cooperation deal.

                    The “photo-op … gone south,” as Chesebro called the December 16, 2020, meeting, reveals a previously unknown instance of Trump hearing directly that he lost – which could factor into his federal election subversion trial. But it also highlights how others in Trump’s orbit leaned into his delusions and aided his quixotic effort to cling onto power.

                    As often happened, Trump heard what he wanted to, ignoring Troupis and embracing Chesebro’s theories. Trump continued to falsely claim victory in Wisconsin and elsewhere, including on January 6, when he tried to weaponize the illegitimate GOP electors to “disenfranchise millions of voters,” according to his federal indictment.

                    CNN has previously identified Chesebro as an unindicted co-conspirator in Trump’s federal case. His cooperation in Michigan and other states could boost special counsel Jack Smith’s prosecution, even though it’s currently unclear if Chesebro intends to directly cooperate with Smith.

                    Giving Trump false hope
                    On December 14, 2020, the Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected Trump’s lawsuit to nullify the state’s election results. Days later, Troupis and other GOP lawyers involved in the case flew to Washington, DC, to participate in a Senate hearing about election issues, and also secured a conciliatory Oval Office photo-op with Trump.

                    “There was a conscious effort to deflect him from a sense of any possibility that he could pull out the election,” Chesebro told Michigan prosecutors about the thinking going into the meet-and-greet with Trump. “…Our marching orders were: Don’t say anything that makes him feel more positive than the beginning of the meeting.’”

                    It’s unclear who gave the so-called “marching orders” to the group of pro-Trump attorneys.

                    Nonetheless, Chesebro told Trump he could still prevail in Arizona. He also spelled out the basics of the fake electors scheme, where Trump supporters in seven critical states cast faux ballots and signed phony certificates claiming they were the rightful electors.

                    “I ended up explaining that Arizona was still hypothetically possible — because the alternate electors had voted,” Chesebro told Michigan state investigators, later adding that this made it “clear (to Trump) in a way that maybe it hadn’t been before, that we had until January 6 to win.”

                    “And that, you know, created a real problem,” Chesebro added.

                    A source told CNN that a visibly angry Priebus, who arranged the photo-op for his home-state delegation, intervened to shut down the conversation after he saw Chesebro whispering to Trump about election procedures.

                    “It was a photo-op and Trump talked to a lot of people. I don’t think the event lasted very long,” a lawyer for Chesebro told CNN when asked about the whispering.


                    Kenneth Chesebro speaks to Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee during a hearing where Chesebro accepted a plea deal from the Fulton County District Atorney at the Fulton County Courthouse October 20, 2023 in Atlanta, Georgia

                    The fallout was swift. Right after the meeting, Priebus was “extremely concerned” about Chesebro’s comments about January 6, according to Chesebro, who told Michigan investigators that Priebus “was going to do damage control … to mitigate whatever optimism I guess I created.”

                    Two days later, Chesebro got a stern email from Troupis. The message, which was obtained by CNN, said: “Reince was very explicit in his admonition that nothing about our meeting with the President can be shared with anyone. The political cross-currents are deep and fast and neither you or I have any ability to swim through them.”

                    Some details of the meeting were previously reported by The Washington Post.

                    Michigan probe casts wide net
                    CNN previously reported that Chesebro was cooperating with state investigators in Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin and Georgia, where he was indicted alongside Trump and 17 others, and pleaded guilty in October to participating in the electors conspiracy. (Trump pleaded not guilty.) Chesebro hasn’t been charged anywhere else, and he hopes his state-level cooperation will keep it that way.

                    Over several hours of interviews last week, Chesebro provided Michigan investigators with extraordinary details of how a legal memo he wrote for Troupis in Wisconsin transformed into a nationwide operation to overturn the results of a presidential election, according to the audio obtained by CNN.

                    CNN reported last week that the probe is still active. It is being led by Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel, a Democrat, who has faced sharp criticism from Republicans for what they believe is a partisan attempt to criminalize legally protected political activity.

                    According to the audio, members of Nessel’s team peppered Chesebro with questions about senior Trump campaign operatives, and zeroed in on how they directed the fake electors in Michigan.

                    Investigators asked about former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, his ally and former NYPD commissioner Bernie Kerik, Trump campaign official Mike Roman, current Trump lawyer Boris Epshteyn, Trump 2020 campaign lawyers Matt Morgan and Justin Clark, and others.

                    Chesebro said “it was very fluid,” but all of these players were involved.

                    Michigan investigators asked Chesebro detailed questions, including: Who designed the fake certificates that the GOP electors signed? Who was responsible for recruiting the Michigan participants? How did the signed certificates get from Lansing to D.C.?

                    He pointed investigators to Giuliani, who “was pushing the idea of alternate electors very strongly,” and said Kerik “handled a lot” of the organizational activity in Michigan. Roman was “really effective at carrying out operational matters,” Chesebro said, so he was picked to be the point-person to help with the “whipping” operation on a state-by-state basis.

                    Kerik and Clark did not comment for this story. A representative for Epshteyn couldn’t be reached for comment. Giuliani, Roman and Morgan didn’t respond to CNN’s inquiries.

                    Giuliani and Roman were indicted in Georgia in connection with the electors plot. They pleaded not guilty. Giuliani is also an unindicted co-conspirator in Trump’s federal case.

                    ‘Zero hope’ in Wisconsin
                    In Trump’s federal case, prosecutors highlighted the pattern of Trump allies repeatedly telling him that he lost the election. This forms the basis of Smith’s allegation that Trump “widely disseminated his false claims of election fraud for months, despite the fact that he knew, and in many cases had been informed directly, that they were not true.”

                    The new revelations from Chesebro’s sit-down with Michigan investigators add to the list. He said Troupis, a former judge, told Trump to his face that there was nothing left he could do in Wisconsin, where the state’s Supreme Court narrowly rejected his case.

                    “It’s clear that Troupis personally, told the President there was zero hope for Wisconsin,” Chesebro recalled to the Michigan prosecutors. “Part of this message, I think, (was) crafted to try to get him to concede or just you know, give up this long shot challenge.”

                    He said, “this was an effort to massage information going to the client in a way that was not fully candid.” He believed Troupis overstated the finality of the Wisconsin challenge.

                    Troupis did not respond to CNN’s request for comment.

                    Despite being told there was no way to undo Joe Biden’s victory in Wisconsin, Trump pressured then-Vice President Mike Pence to reject the state’s Democratic electors on January 6, while he presided over the congressional certification of the 2020 results.

                    At Trump’s infamous speech on January 6, he told the crowd that “we won Wisconsin” and falsely claimed Democrats facilitated 91,000 “unlawful votes” via dropboxes and 170,000 “illegal” votes through mail-in ballots. Many of these same allegations were raised – and dismissed – in the lawsuit Troupis took to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
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                    But what about 2,000,000 Mules?
                    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                    • Trump says Nevada fake electors treated ‘unfairly’

                      Former President Trump praised the fake electors charged in Nevada, lamenting during a campaign rally in Reno on Sunday that they were being treated “unfairly.”

                      Trump’s words of encouragement come ahead of a Monday arraignment for six so-called “fake electors” who signed certificates falsely claiming Trump won the state’s electors in 2020.

                      During the rally, however, he did not mention the charges themselves or the upcoming court appearance.

                      “A tremendous man, tremendous guy, gets treated so unfairly, and he loves this country, and he loves this state: Nevada GOP Chairman Michael McDonald,” Trump said at the rally, adding, “He’s a fantastic man. Thank you. Thank you, Michael.”

                      McDonald was one of the six fake electors charged.

                      Trump also thanked Clark County GOP Chairman Jesse Law, another of the six fake electors, calling him a “fantastic man, fantastic man,” adding, “Thank you, Jesse. Great job you’re doing, a great job. Treated very unfairly.” He also thanked Nevada GOP Vice Chairman and Storey County Clerk Jim Hindle, another fake elector, at the event.

                      Earlier in the rally, as Trump railed against the indictments he faces and against President Biden, he pointed to the purported poor treatment of McDonald as an example of the Biden administration weaponizing law enforcement.

                      “It’s no wonder crooked Joe and the far-left lunatics are desperate to stop us by any means necessary. They’re willing to violate the U.S. Constitution at levels never seen before in order to win. They’re dirty players. They play dirty. They weaponize justice. There are a bunch of dirty players,” Trump said.

                      “Look at what they’re doing right here to Michael and great people in this state. It’s a disgrace. Joe Biden is a threat to democracy. They’re weaponizing law enforcement for high-level election interference because we’re beating them so badly in the polls,” Trump continued, repeating a baseless charge against Biden.


                      The six Nevadans face felony charges of offering a false instrument for filing and uttering a forged document for disseminating a document titled “Certificate of the Votes of the 2020 Electors from Nevada” to several government entities.
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                      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                      • New Trump recording shows he pressured Michigan election officials not to certify 2020 election results

                        Former President Donald Trump pressured election officials in Michigan not to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election, the Detroit News reported Thursday.

                        Trump and Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel called two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers – the body that certifies election results for Michigan's most populous county, home to Detroit – to urge them not to sign off on the results, according to a recording of the call reviewed by the News.

                        "We've got to fight for our country," Trump reportedly told Monica Palmer and William Hartmann on Nov. 17, 2020. "We can't let these people take our country away from us."

                        The report sheds new light on the Trump campaign's efforts to contest the election results in the key swing state and comes amid two criminal cases against Trump at the state and federal level related to election interference.


                        President Donald Trump on Oct. 17, 2020, in Norton Shores, Michigan.

                        President Joe Biden defeated Trump by around 154,000 votes in Michigan in 2020, and multiple legal cases alleging election fraud were dismissed by courts for lack of evidence. A state Senate committee run by Republican members also investigated claims of fraud and found them unsubstantiated.

                        Trump and McDaniel called the two Republican canvassers shortly after the panel voted to certify the county's election results after they had first voted against certification and deadlocked the four-member board. Trump reportedly told them they would look "terrible" if they then signed the documents to finalize certification.

                        "If you can go home tonight, do not sign it. ... We will get you attorneys," McDaniel reportedly said.


                        RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel delivers remarks before the NBC News Republican Presidential Primary Debate at the Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts of Miami-Dade County on Nov. 8 in Miami.

                        Palmer and Hartmann did leave the meeting without signing the documents. The next day, they petitioned to rescind their votes in favor of certification, though that effort failed. Palmer had previously said that Trump had called her that night to thank her and to express concerns about her safety.

                        Spokespeople for Palmer, McDaniel and Trump did not dispute a summary of the call, the News reported.

                        Hartmann died in 2021.

                        Trump's actions "were taken in furtherance of his duty as president of the United States to faithfully take care of the laws and ensure election integrity, including investigating the rigged and stolen 2020 presidential election," spokesperson Steven Cheung told USA TODAY in a statement.

                        Trump faces federal felony charges for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. Prosecutors argue that Trump knowingly promoted lies about election fraud, organized slates of fake electors in states like Michigan, and pushed then-Vice President Mike Pence not to certify the results on Jan. 6, 2021. That trial is slated to begin March 4.

                        The former president also faces criminal charges in Georgia for attempting to overturn the election in that state. The state alleges that Trump led a "criminal racketeering enterprise" to change the election results, including pushing a slate of fake electors, harassing county election workers, illegally copying data off elections equipment and asking Georgia's Republican secretary of state to find enough votes for him to win.
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                        Just keeps getting better and better...

                        If I'm not mistaken, since McDaniel's 2017 election as chair of the RNC, the Republican Party has had a net loss of seven governorships, three seats in the US Senate, and 19 seats in the House of Representatives, and the Presidency. Sooo much winning.
                        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                        • Unfortunately in the blue corner weighing in at (a slightly dottery) 160 pounds? is the current title holder 'Bruising' Joe Biden! Honestly? I'd feel a lot more comfortable about the outcome of the upcoming 'big fight' if Biden did not make me want to fall asleep every time he start's talking.

                          And the other potnetial Dem candidates aren't exactly a ringing endorsements of the Democrat's potential talent pool. Currently there are what? One left leaning 'spiritual author' going for the woke vote (that'll bring in undecided voters - not) and someone else who I've never heard described as a 'centrist'. Literally one word, that's it. Maybe I being a little harsh but IMO, they really should be able to do better.
                          Last edited by Monash; 23 Dec 23,, 04:14.
                          If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.

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                          • The Germans are putting up a megalomaniac, and the best you can do is some guy in a wheelchair?
                            Trust me?
                            I'm an economist!

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                            • I think Jack Smith is going to have a Happy New Year!

                              https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/polit...ots/index.html

                              Exclusive: Recordings, emails show how Trump team flew fake elector ballots to DC in final push to overturn 2020 election

                              By Marshall Cohen, Zachary Cohen, Jeremy Herb and Katelyn Polantz, CNN

                              Updated 4:47 PM EST, Thu December 28, 2023


                              Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

                              So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

                              The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

                              The new details provide a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the chaotic last-minute effort to keep Donald Trump in office. The fake electors scheme features prominently in special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against the former president, and some of the officials who were involved have spoken to Smith’s investigators.

                              The emails and recordings also indicate that a top Trump campaign lawyer was part of 11th-hour discussions about delivering the fake elector certificates to Pence, potentially undercutting his testimony to the House select committee that investigated January 6 that he had passed off responsibility and didn’t want to put the former vice president in a difficult spot.

                              These details largely come from pro-Trump attorney Kenneth Chesebro, who was an architect of the fake electors plot and is now a key cooperator in several state probes into the scheme. Chesebro pleaded guilty in October to a felony conspiracy charge in Georgia in connection with the electors’ plan, and has met with prosecutors in Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin, who are investigating the sham GOP electors in their own states.

                              Kenneth Chesebro speaks to Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee during a hearing where Chesebro accepted a plea deal from the Fulton County District Atorney at the Fulton County Courthouse October 20 in Atlanta.Alyssa Pointer/Getty Images

                              Chesebro is an unindicted co-conspirator in the federal election interference indictment against Trump.

                              Trump campaign lawyer ‘freaked out’ about missing elector ballots, Chesebro says

                              Michigan investigators ask pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro about the role of the Trump campaign in the fake electors plot. Chesebro tells them that top Trump campaign lawyers were alarmed that the sham certificates might not make it to the nation’s capital before the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding in Congress.


                              CNN has obtained audio of Chesebro’s recent interview with Michigan investigators, and exclusively reported earlier this month that he also told them about a December 2020 Oval Office meeting where he briefed Trump about the fake electors plan and how it ties into January 6.

                              An attorney for Chesebro declined to comment. A spokesman for the special counsel’s office did not reply to a request for comment for this story.
                              ‘A high-level decision’


                              Emails obtained by CNN corroborate what Chesebro told Michigan prosecutors: He communicated with the top Trump campaign lawyer, Matt Morgan, and another campaign official, Mike Roman, to ferry the documents to Washington on January 5.

                              From there, Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and a Pennsylvania congressman assisted in the effort to get the documents into Pence’s hands.

                              “This is a high-level decision to get the Michigan and Wisconsin votes there,” Chesebro told Michigan prosecutors. “And they had to enlist, you know, a US senator to try to expedite it, to get it to Pence in time.”

                              Trump campaign considered chartering jet to fly ballots to DC, Chesebro says

                              Pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, an architect of the fake electors plan, tells Michigan prosecutors that top Trump campaign lawyers considered chartering a private jet to bring the fake elector ballots to the nation’s capital in time for the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding in Congress.

                              Source: Obtained by CNN

                              Chesebro also discussed the episode with Wisconsin investigators last week when he sat for an interview with the attorney general’s office as part of a separate state probe into the fake electors plot, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

                              Wisconsin prosecutors asked about the episode “extensively,” the source said, noting Chesebro discussed how a Wisconsin GOP staffer flew the certificate from Milwaukee to Washington and then handed it off to Chesebro.

                              The firsthand account from Chesebro’s perspective helps fill in the narrative behind the effort to hand-deliver elector slates to Pence, which is vaguely referenced in Smith’s federal indictment.

                              Trump pleaded not guilty to the charges, which include conspiring with Chesebro and others to obstruct the January 6 certification proceeding. Before Chesebro’s guilty plea in Georgia, his attorneys reached out to Smith’s team. As of this week, he has not heard back from federal prosecutors, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.

                              Federal investigators have spoken with several individuals involved in the scramble with the phony elector certificates, according to a source familiar with the matter. This includes interviews with Trump staffers who were tapped to fly the papers to DC, and some fake electors who knew of the planning.

                              A spokesperson for the Trump campaign did not reply to a request for comment.

                              Asked about the episode, a spokesperson for Johnson pointed to his previous comments, where he said, “my involvement in that attempt to deliver spanned the course of a couple seconds,” and that, “in the end, those electors were not delivered.”
                              ‘Day-by-day’ coordination


                              According to the recordings of Chesebro’s sit-down with Michigan prosecutors, he explained how a legal memo he wrote for Wisconsin transformed into a nationwide operation, where Trump lawyers were “day-by-day coordinating the efforts of more than a dozen people with the GOP and with the Trump campaign.”

                              On January 4, 2021, Morgan sent an email to Chesebro and Roman asking for confirmation that all of the Trump elector slates had been received by Congress, according to the documents obtained by CNN.

                              Matt Morgan participates in a news conference at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington, DC, in November 2020.Michael Reynolds/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock

                              Roman responded that the Michigan certificate had been mailed on December 15 but was still “in transit” at a US Postal Service facility in DC. Wisconsin’s certificate also had apparently not arrived.

                              Chesebro told prosecutors that Morgan was “freaked out” when the campaign realized the phony certificates from Michiganwere still in the mail.

                              That same day, Morgan weighed in over email asking Chesebro and Roman to rethink how they would deliver the certificates to Pence.

                              “As I thought about this more, a courier will not be able to access the Capitol to deliver a sealed package,” Morgan wrote on January 4, according to emails obtained by CNN “You will probably need to enlist the help of a legislator who can deliver to the appropriate place(s). I strongly recommend you guys discuss a revised delivery plan with Rudy (Giuliani) to make sure this gets done the way he wants.”

                              ‘Can we charter a flight?’


                              Roman was concerned the Wisconsin documents wouldn’t reach Washington in time.

                              “Can we charter a flight? The only available commercial from MKE (Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport) to DCA (Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport) arrives at 2130 tomorrow night,” Roman wrote to Chesebro on January 4 at 11:24 p.m.

                              The job of physically flying the elector documents to Washington fell to two people: A Trump campaign staffer and a Wisconsin GOP official, according to the emails and what Chesebro told prosecutors.

                              The Wisconsin GOP official who had that state’s elector documents landed after 10 a.m. on January 5 at Baltimore-Washington International Airport, according to the emails.

                              Trump campaign aide Michael Brown flew with the Michigan certificates to Washington National Airport with a scheduled arrival around 1 p.m., according to emails obtained by CNN. A source familiar with the matter told CNN that Brown flew to DC from Atlanta, because the Trump staffers who had custody of the Michigan ballots were in Georgia for the Senate runoffs.

                              The campaign booked and paid for Brown’s flight on Southwest Airlines, the source said. Federal campaign finance records indicate that a pro-Trump super PAC paid the airline on the day of Brown’s flight for travel related to election “recount” efforts.

                              Trump Hotel meetup


                              The emails show that Brown and the Wisconsin GOP official were instructed to meet Chesebro at the Trump International Hotel in downtown Washington to hand off the fake elector certificates. Chesebro said in an email that he’d keep the ballots in his hotel room safe until it was time to pass them along.

                              Barricades outside the Trump International Hotel in Washington, DC, on January 17, 2021.Pete Kiehart/Bloomberg/Getty Images

                              Wisconsin Republican Party officials were annoyed at the request to courier the fake elector certificates to Washington. “Freaking trump idiots want someone to fly original elector papers to the senate President,” a Wisconsin GOP official wrote to then-state party chairman Andrew Hitt on January 4, according to the January 6 committee report.

                              Hitt – who has provided information to federal investigators about the efforts to get the fake elector certificates to Washington, according to a source familiar with the matter – told the January 6 committee that the couriering ended up being overkill, because the original documents that the state party had mailed to Washington actually made it in time.

                              Getting the certificates inside the Capitol


                              The documents still had to be hand-delivered to Pence’s Senate office in the Capitol.

                              The electors plot – as envisioned by Chesebro and other Trump allies – was that Pence could reject Biden’s legitimate electors and recognize Trump’s “alternate electors” on January 6, while lawmakers tallied the electoral votes from each state. Per federal law, the certificates need to be physically presented on the floor of Congress during the joint session, while lawmakers tally the electoral votes.

                              Chesebro told investigators that Roman connected him with an aide for a Pennsylvania GOP lawmaker that he believed was Rep. Scott Perry to turn over the documents. Chesebro wasn’t certain which congressman the staffer worked for – and the January 6 report says a staffer for a different Pennsylvania Republican, Rep. Mike Kelly, helped shuttle the documents that day.

                              “I had the Wisconsin stuff. [Trump campaign aide] Mike Brown had the Michigan stuff. We walked to the Longworth Office Building, and the guy with Perry, or whatever his name is, and some other fellow, that were like staff members of the House, took them and said, ‘We’re going to walk them over to the Senate and give it to a Senate staffer,’” Chesebro told Michigan prosecutors, according to the audio obtained by CNN.

                              “I don’t know why logistically we didn’t take it directly to Johnson. But that’s how we did it,” he added.

                              Chesebro describes role of two GOP lawmakers in electors scheme

                              Pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, an architect of the fake electors plan, tells Michigan prosecutors about how Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson and Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry, both Republicans, helped get the fake elector ballots to the Capitol floor for the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding.


                              Kelly and Perry’s offices did not respond to CNN’s requests for comment.

                              Brown did not comment for this story. CNN previously reported that he testified in June to Smith’s grand jury in the Trump election subversion probe.

                              CNN previously reported that Roman sat for a proffer interview with Smith’s team before Trump was indicted. He was also indicted in the sweeping Georgia election racketeering case, in connection with the fake electors scheme, and has pleaded not guilty.

                              Roman’s attorney did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

                              The details from Chesebro put a finer point on how members of Congress, including a sitting US senator, were involved in making sure the electoral certificates for Trump ended up in Pence’s hands.

                              The January 6 committee first revealed last year Johnson’s involvement in trying unsuccessfully to deliver the fake elector certificates to Pence, who announced on the morning of the joint session that it would be unconstitutional to do what Trump wanted and unilaterally overturn the election results.

                              The committee revealed text messages during their hearings last year that Johnson aide Sean Riley sent to Pence aide Chris Hodgson, saying that Johnson “needs to hand something to VPOTUS please advise.”

                              “What is it?” Hodgson asked.

                              “Alternate slates of electors for MI and WI because archivist didn’t receive them,” Riley responded.

                              “Do not give that to him,” Hodgson said.

                              ‘F**k these guys’


                              In his Michigan interview, Chesebro also dished on some of the internal disagreements among the Trump lawyers, campaign officials and other allies, who clashed over the purpose of the electors’ plan and how far to take things on January 6.

                              Chesebro has maintained – then, and now – that the plan was a lawful move to preserve Trump’s legal rights.

                              Even before the Trump electors met in their state capitals on December 14, 2020, to cast their fake ballots and sign the certificates, Chesebro heard about concerns from some of the electors about possible legal jeopardy, according to emails and text messages reported by the Detroit News and obtained by CNN.

                              Chesebro added hedging language for the faux certificates from Pennsylvania and New Mexico in response to those concerns. He proposed to Roman and Morgan that they add the contingency caveats to the paperwork for all seven states in the plan. But Roman rejected the idea, according to the emails.

                              “F**k these guys,” Roman texted Chesebro on December 12, 2020.

                              Trump campaign staff member Michael Roman in his booking photo at the Fulton County Jail on August 25 in Atlanta.Fulton County Sheriff's Office

                              By this time, the Trump campaign had essentially cleaved in two. Top officials who had managed day-to-day activity for Trump up to the election, including in court, say they ceded responsibility to Rudy Giuliani and others, such as Chesebro, according to congressional testimony transcripts. Roman effectively switched teams to work under Giuliani’s structure, according to the testimony from Morgan and others.

                              A spokesperson for Giuliani did not reply to a request for comment.

                              ‘It really went south on me’


                              Chesebro told Michigan investigators that his own emails show that Morgan remained deeply involved, including in the final hours before January 6, to ensure that the certificates reached DC.

                              “I don’t have a really warm feeling toward, at least, the top Trump lawyers that did this, hid from me what they were doing and then lied to Congress about me. So, it’s been really difficult,” Chesebro said.

                              Chesebro describes role of GOP lawmakers in electors scheme

                              Pro-Trump lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, an architect of the fake electors plan, tells Michigan prosecutors about how Congressional staffers helped get the fake elector ballots to the Capitol floor for the January 6, 2021, certification proceeding. (Chesebro says a staffer from Rep. Scott Perry’s office was involved, but the January 6 report says it was someone from Rep. Mike Kelly’s office.)

                              Chesebro further describes the fallout from his involvement the attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

                              In his congressional testimony, Morgan said he knew of the elector plan but wanted to distance himself from the effort, delegating the work to others, including those under Giuliani.

                              Morgan told the January 6 committee last year that he initially believed the electors were only meant to be used as a contingency. The electors, he believed, should meet in their state capitals and cast their electoral votes but “not necessarily submit” the certificates to Congress unless “we prevailed” in court.

                              Morgan told the committee that the plan changed in December, saying it morphed from a “cast-and-hold” operation and had “shifted to cast-and-send.” And that’s when Morgan told the committee that he backed out, testifying that he directed an aide to “email Mr. Chesebro politely to say, ‘this is your task. You are responsible for the Electoral College issues moving forward.’”

                              “This was my way of taking that responsibility to zero,” Morgan told the committee, later adding that he “moved on” after that email was sent.

                              Morgan explained that he was concerned that the new plan to try to count the fake electors on January 6 “would make the Vice President’s life harder, and I didn’t want to be a part of that.”

                              “Mr. Morgan stands by his congressional testimony,” his defense attorneys told CNN in response to his emails and Chesebro’s statements to investigators.

                              Ultimately, on the eve of the joint session of Congress, Morgan helped get the ballots in place, according to the emails and according to Chesebro, who blamed his legal troubles squarely on the Trump campaign’s legal team.

                              “I could have avoided all this,” Chesebro vented to Michigan prosecutors. “It’s been a real lesson in not working with people that you don’t know and are not sure you can trust, because it really went south on me.”
                              “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                              Mark Twain

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                              • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                                I think Jack Smith is going to have a Happy New Year!

                                https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/polit...ots/index.html
                                ButButButBut ummm....

                                CNN Fake News?

                                Buttery Males?

                                Ray Epps?

                                Deep State?

                                Nancy Pelosi?

                                Both Sides?

                                C'mon people, throw me frickin' bone here....
                                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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