The US 2020 Presidential Election & Attempts To Overturn It

[TopHatter]

So who is more broke right now...Trump. Rudy or Mike Lindell!?

Honestly I stopped keeping track...Hardly a day goes by the Rudy in particular gets some horrendous financial news (I think his 500k condo just got foreclosed on or something like that).

[Monash]

'Broke' is a relative term. Trump has had ample opportunity over the years to legally separate some small portion of his personal wealth from his operating assets. Hell 'daddy' undoubtedly did the same thing. And it's not like he hasn't had the time or the expertise available to do it. So as long as it was all set up at arms length years ago and it's been sitting somewhere safe out the way compounding? Don't worry Donald will be fine.

[TopHatter]

'Broke' is a relative term. Trump has had ample opportunity over the years to legally separate some small portion of his personal wealth from his operating assets. Hell 'daddy' undoubtedly did the same thing. And it's not like he hasn't had the time or the expertise available to do it. So as long as it was all set up at arms length years ago and it's been sitting somewhere safe out the way compounding? Don't worry Donald will be fine.

He better hope it's completely out of reach of the US government, otherwise they're gonna claw it back so hard it'll make his orange head spin.

[Monash]

He better hope it's completely out of reach of the US government, otherwise they're gonna claw it back so hard it'll make his orange head spin.

True, but there's an entire industry out there dedicated to keeping not just Uncle Sam's but all other Government's mitts off wealthy peoples money. Its a pretty successful industry to. Go figure.

[TopHatter]

True, but there's an entire industry out there dedicated to keeping not just Uncle Sam's but all other Government's mitts off wealthy peoples money. Its pretty successful industry to. Go figure.

Truth.

[TopHatter]

Judge finds Eastman culpable for ethics breaches in 2020 bid to keep Trump in power


A California judge made a "preliminary finding" Thursday that attorney John Eastman breached professional ethics when he aided Donald Trump's bid to overturn the 2020 election, a significant milestone in the lengthy proceedings over whether Eastman should lose his license to practice law.

Eastman said Thursday that the extensive disbarment proceedings — which delved deeply into his allegations of election fraud and irregularities, as well as his fringe theories about the vice president's power to unilaterally choose the winner of the presidential election — had strengthened his belief that the 2020 election was tainted. Now, state bar officials are preparing to present "aggravation" evidence aimed at justifying their call to strip Eastman, a veteran conservative attorney who once clerked for Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, of his law license.

The proceedings, which began in June, featured 30 days of testimony from witnesses that included former Vice President Mike Pence’s legal counsel Greg Jacob, former Bush administration attorney John Yoo, officials from numerous state election offices, statisticians and data analysts that Eastman relied on for some of his claims of widespread election irregularities, and constitutional law experts who delved into the history of the counting of electoral votes.

Eastman took the stand for more than a dozen hours throughout the trial and described his interactions with Trump in a Jan. 4, 2021, Oval Office meeting; his work with other members of Trump’s legal team like Boris Epshteyn and Kenneth Chesebro; and the drafting of his infamous memos describing options for Pence to assert control of the counting of electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021.

Eastman’s fight for his bar license comes as he is also fending off criminal charges in Georgia, where he was charged alongside Trump and 17 others with a sweeping racketeering conspiracy aimed at subverting the state’s election laws in 2020.

Eastman said he never considered the impact of his words on Jan. 6, 2021, when he addressed the crowd of Trump supporters gathered near the White House ahead of their march to the Capitol. He said the crowd was already convinced the election was stolen and was there to see Trump, not him, and did not view his remarks as somehow “solidifying” their anger.

“I didn’t have any thought about that one way or the other,” he said on the witness stand. “My point in speaking on Jan. 6 was to raise concerns about illegality in the conduct of the election that may well have led to the certification of somebody who did not win the election.”

Investigators for the California bar spent much of the trial delving deeply into Eastman’s claims of fraud that he used in a failed attempt to convince state legislatures to send “contingent” presidential electors to Congress on Jan. 6. They argued that Eastman relied on obviously flawed methods and assumptions meant to secure a predetermined outcome: that Trump should remain in power.

Throughout his testimony, Eastman emphasized that he never showed Trump his two-page and six-page memos outlining options for Pence, which he said were merely meant as “internal” documents outlining “scenarios” to be considered by Trump’s lawyers. He said he recalled only sharing the memos with Epshteyn and Chesebro before meeting with Trump on Jan. 4, 2021.

At that meeting, Eastman said he advised Trump to ask Pence to simply delay the Jan. 6 proceedings of Congress, rather than declare Trump the victor — an option he considered more politically palatable. States with Republican-controlled legislatures — where Biden had won decisive electoral votes — could have used a delay to decide whether to appoint pro-Trump electors instead, citing some of the allegations of fraud that Eastman had been pushing.

Pence resisted the plan, contending that it would require numerous violations of the longstanding federal law known as the Electoral Count Act, and resisted pressure from both Trump and Eastman that continued even as a violent mob ransacked the Capitol, some hunting for Pence himself.

The lead bar attorney, Duncan Carling, also pressed Eastman about his view of the recent plea deal reached by co-defendant Jenna Ellis, an attorney who admitted to orchestrating false testimony about election fraud to Georgia legislators in 2020. Eastman said her plea — which was connected to her role in a Dec. 3, 2020, hearing held by Georgia Republican lawmakers at which Eastman was also a key witness — had no impact on his continued views about election fraud in 2020, he said.

“My statements were prefaced by caveats that make them all true,” he said.
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[TopHatter]

That Was Awkward: Fox News Forced to Fact-Check Trump’s Lies on Air


Donald Trump’s former sycophants at Fox News appeared somewhat reformed on Saturday, interrupting the GOP presidential candidate’s unhinged campaign speech to fact-check his election lies.

During a couple of back-to-back campaign stops in Iowa, Trump reiterated claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen and even went so far as to claim he wanted to “redo the election” and encouraged his followers in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Atlanta to “watch those votes when they come in” in 2024.

Fox News took note.

“Well, the former president finally got around to some campaign promises amid lots of cheering as you heard,” said Fox host Arthel Neville. “Many untruths, the 2020 election was not rigged, it was not stolen.”

The live react could be part of a turning tide for Fox, which earlier this year settled a historic lawsuit for failing to dispute similar election lies, paying a whopping $787.5 million to Dominion Voting Systems. The network is still in the throes of another, $2.7 billion lawsuit by Smartmatic, another voting machine company allegedly defamed by Fox’s conduct.

Still, It’s not the first time Trump and Neville have clashed—in 2019, the former president tweeted that Neville and fellow hosts Leland Vittert and Shepard Smith should quit Fox in favor of CNN.

That wasn’t the only headline Trump was after on Saturday. In the same tour, Trump claimed that he invented the term “caravan” and unironically claimed that he was God-chosen in the 2020 election.

“I think if you had a real election and Jesus came down and God came down and said, ‘I’m gonna be the scorekeeper here,’ I think we’d win [in California], I think we’d win in Illinois, and I think we’d win in New York,” Trump said.
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Looks like Fox has gone "woke"

[Albany Rifles]

Looks like Fox has gone "woke"

And Trump has fully gone delusional.

[tbm3fan]

I think we’d win [in California]

That put my Quaker Oats on the screen. Win in California? The man is now officially lost it as I am in CA and hate his guts.

[TopHatter]

I think we’d win [in California]

That put my Quaker Oats on the screen. Win in California? The man is now officially lost it as I am in CA and hate his guts.

Impossible to tell what are his own delusions and what he's serving up to satisfy his cultist's delusions.

[Monash]

Impossible to tell what are his own delusions and what he's serving up to satisfy his cultist's delusions.

The later. There's little to no evidence of him sprouting that kind of demagoguery in private amongst family and employees. He's deliberately whipping up the crowd again.

[TopHatter]

The later. There's little to no evidence of him sprouting that kind of demagoguery in private amongst family and employees. He's deliberately whipping up the crowd again.

Yeah if I had to bet one way or another, I would say it's mostly performative. Still though, the man is a narcissistic sociopath, so I wouldn't put it past him to genuinely believe at least some of it.

[Monash]

And if you thought that was bad stand by for what will happen in 2024 after the polls close assuming it becomes apparent he's lost the election again.

[TopHatter]

And if you thought that was bad stand by for what will happen in 2024 after the polls close assuming it becomes apparent he's lost the election again.

As with Trump using the U.S. military for his own fascistic goals, I'm hoping that once again people won't be so complacent as they were the morning of January 6th.

[Albany Rifles]

As with Trump using the U.S. military for his own fascistic goals, I'm hoping that once again people won't be so complacent as they were the morning of January 6th.

If he is not in office yet there will be no impacts on the military...Joe Biden is still president. But after he gets back into office he has talked about setting aside Posse Comitatus in favor of rules in place at the time of the founding of the Republic allowing the military to be involved with domestic activities.

DC has always allowed Federal troop involvement cause it has always had a different status than a state. When Eisenhower sent the 101st into Little Rock, AR, in 1957 it was AFTER he had federalized (i.e., called to active duty) the Arkansas National Guard. He used Chapter 15 of Title 10 of the US Code, sections 332 - 334, appointing the Executive as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the land. The 101st backed up the AR ARNG, not taking the lead. It was Trump's failure to follow the same sections which caused the issues on 6 January.