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  • Triple C
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    Originally posted by Chunder View Post
    Half. Not x%, half.

    Half of all Asians are bad people. Half of all Muslims are Bad people, 51% of whites have bad attitudes to black people.

    pot, meet kettle.

    Plenty of videos of Trump supporters being beat up - or did you miss that, or does that just matter less, because they are Trump supporters?
    We're through the math of the deplorables. Half of trump supporters ain't half of white population. But go ask General Flynn being tapped for national security. He thinks you're at war with Islam to the hilt. Registry of Muslims pushed by Trump surrogates because the precedent of Japanese internment. That's not 25 percent, not 50 percent--of Japanese Americans--that's 100 percent. That registry is going to 100 percent of Muslims, supported by voters who think registering their guns is the prelude to confiscating them.

    Sure, I seen Trump supporter being assaulted. I don't condone it. But I am not surprised. Ethnic minorities haven't been beaten at the rallies of white candidates for decades. That's how you lit the fuze for late-Weimar style violence.
    Last edited by Triple C; 20 Nov 16,, 05:02.

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  • GVChamp
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    Originally posted by Triple C View Post
    That's an attack on business interests. Bannon's comments is an attack on Asian Americans as a class.

    One expect barbs at one's political opponent, low blows including. Trump and his supporters' well-documented verbal and physical assaults on racial minorities as a class is of an entirely different tenor; I still recall the GOP electorate freaked out with HRC's "basket of deplorables" comment aimed at a X% of Trump voters.

    Compare what you "buy" and do not buy as a voter, with what my legal immigrant friends believe are the important issues of this election, is a pretty good illustration of my previous post. The backlash, euphemized as hostility against "identity politics" from the left, is an re-assertion of white identity politics under demographical stress.
    Democrats are explicitly attacking white men because whites are racist and not letting minorities into their Silicon Valley clubs. That's the message. That's the EXPLICIT message.
    It doesn't even make sense, because the white proportion in these firms more or less mirrors the overall population. The over-represented group is Asians. That's the IMPLICIT message. The IMPLICIT message is that a huge chunk of Democrats are totally willing to sell Asians down the river to win more votes among Hispanics or blacks. Who do you think Affirmative Action hurts the most?
    I don't know how you can categorize this as an attack on "business." It's an attack on individual people who are assumed automatically to be horrible racists. And guess what? Asians are right there with whites in these firms. Buckle up, this is only going to get worse.

    Bannon's comment has NOTHING to do with demeaning Asians or attacking Asians as a class. It has to do with acknowledging that importing people from a different culture that's not American and not Western is going to fundamentally change the way America operates. A lot of people think if immigrants are "high-skilled" that we should let everyone in: this is incredibly naïve. Not wanting to let in 1 billion people from China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, India, and Pakistan does NOT mean Bannon hates any of those groups or thinks they are an inferior class of people. It's saying that America would cease to be America if you just let in a billion people, and that would happen REGARDLESS of whether they are illiterate peasant farmers or all Elon Musk.

    Bannon has elements of the alt-right, but I am quite confident the media doesn't understand alt-right, because the media's shitty liberal arts education has history that starts with the 1960s. A large fraction of the pitiful numbers of the alt-right did not vote at all, because King Charles II was not on the ballot.

    Since we talk about 19th Century immigration so much, America's immigration in the 19th century DID fundamentally transform the country, and the full effects weren't felt for decades afterwards. The impact of current immigrants, already felt somewhat, will not be fully felt for another 30, 40, 50 years.
    Last edited by GVChamp; 19 Nov 16,, 21:13.

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  • Mihais
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    Good luck trying moderation in the age of growing extremism.This has to run its natural course.

    What you propose is in effect a complete reversal of 50 years of leftist politics and policies.Eventually it will be gone,since it is a suicidal phenomenon,but is far from that,yet.Only then there will be no reason for counter-reaction.

    I still wonder at the magnitude of vitriol directed at Trumpism.Theatrics aside,it is mostly common sense.Even the most hardcore rednecks from West Virginia understand that when standing for election is a time of boisterous claims.
    I won't bet the farm on crashing and burning.I also cannot say it will be a resounding success.But I'd say is more likely to be a successfull presidency than a failed one.

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  • InExile
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    Identity politics is poisonous whether its done by the left or the right. The democrats didn't run on an anti-white platform, but I am sure many whites who don't have a racist bone in their body felt uncomfortable with a party that coddled extremism in groups like BLM.

    The democrats need to go back to the party that stands up for middle class and working class interests regardless of race, caste or skin color. When Trumpism crashes and burns as it most likely will, a moderate , center left party will the one that will be best placed to take its place.

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  • Mihais
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    Triple C even so,is a legit cause.Whites voting as a bloc is not wrong.

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  • Chunder
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    Originally posted by Triple C View Post
    I still recall the GOP electorate freaked out with HRC's "basket of deplorables" comment aimed at a X% of Trump voters.
    Half. Not x%, half.

    Half of all Asians are bad people. Half of all Muslims are Bad people, 51% of whites have bad attitudes to black people.

    pot, meet kettle.

    Plenty of videos of Trump supporters being beat up - or did you miss that, or does that just matter less, because they are Trump supporters?

    People vote the way they vote, because, for instance a mother has to weigh up what really matters - "Grab her by the pussy" or insuring her child, and does her op matter less because she's white and a trump supporter? Intersectional feminism declares yes. There isn't any racial identity in being unemployed. As is always - it's moderates in the middle that repudiate policies - the swing voter. Trust me, radicals both existent on the left and right are equally obnoxious. Plenty of College sanctioned media airtime for rants About CIS gendered straight White males needing to be exterminated out there.
    Last edited by Chunder; 19 Nov 16,, 13:42.

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  • Triple C
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    Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
    I don't buy this. Trump primarily attacked white people, particularly Hillary Clinton. I suppose you can say he attacked Obama a lot, but he's half-white.

    Re: Bannon. If I say Silicon Valley does not reflect America's population, am I Bannon, or 99.9% of Democrats?
    That's an attack on business interests. Bannon's comments is an attack on Asian Americans as a class.

    One expect barbs at one's political opponent, low blows including. Trump and his supporters' well-documented verbal and physical assaults on racial minorities as a class is of an entirely different tenor; I still recall the GOP electorate freaked out with HRC's "basket of deplorables" comment aimed at a X% of Trump voters.

    Compare what you "buy" and do not buy as a voter, with what my legal immigrant friends believe are the important issues of this election, is a pretty good illustration of my previous post. The backlash, euphemized as hostility against "identity politics" from the left, is an re-assertion of white identity politics under demographical stress.
    Last edited by Triple C; 19 Nov 16,, 10:09.

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  • Triple C
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    Identity politics in America didn't being with 2008, mate. What a lot of people are enraged by isn't identity politics--it's minorities and women stopped playing nice with white male identity politics. So, Trump's election is received by the same quarter as comeuppance to the Democratic Party, to BLM and the rest of the foot long list of people they dislike.
    Last edited by Triple C; 19 Nov 16,, 09:33.

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  • Wooglin
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Are you describing yourself? The poster doth protest too much, me thinks. My barometer for whether a person is hiding something is by seeing how long, wordy and virulent their denial is. Almost never fails. Brings to mind Nixon and Clinton. That was a long, wordy, and angry denial up there.

    I recall an AP poll back in 2012 that found 51% of white Americans had explicit anti-black attitudes. I suspect the percentage is higher today. My guess is that you and many others will see no problem with racial attitudes being dragged back to the 1950s where blacks knew their place especially in the South. However, I'll be content to wait out the next four years to see if I am proven wrong.
    Sure, keep it coming. This strategy has worked so well for you guys, especially lately. You should definitely double down.

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  • Mihais
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    Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
    Are you describing yourself? The poster doth protest too much, me thinks. My barometer for whether a person is hiding something is by seeing how long, wordy and virulent their denial is. Almost never fails. Brings to mind Nixon and Clinton. That was a long, wordy, and angry denial up there.

    I recall an AP poll back in 2012 that found 51% of white Americans had explicit anti-black attitudes. I suspect the percentage is higher today. My guess is that you and many others will see no problem with racial attitudes being dragged back to the 1950s where blacks knew their place especially in the South. However, I'll be content to wait out the next four years to see if I am proven wrong.

    Man,if this isn't race baiting and a bit of ad hominem...

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  • tbm3fan
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    Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
    That's right. As in people are sick of the PC, trigger warning, hypersensitive, race baiting, identity politics culture, exacerbated by the media, and where all whites are basically racist. The word is thrown around so much you become numb to it. So when Trump says something very un-PC not only are thoughtful, decent people not throwing fits about it, many are saying it's about time.

    Is that better?
    Are you describing yourself? The poster doth protest too much, me thinks. My barometer for whether a person is hiding something is by seeing how long, wordy and virulent their denial is. Almost never fails. Brings to mind Nixon and Clinton. That was a long, wordy, and angry denial up there.

    I recall an AP poll back in 2012 that found 51% of white Americans had explicit anti-black attitudes. I suspect the percentage is higher today. My guess is that you and many others will see no problem with racial attitudes being dragged back to the 1950s where blacks knew their place especially in the South. However, I'll be content to wait out the next four years to see if I am proven wrong.

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  • InExile
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    Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
    That's right. As in people are sick of the PC, trigger warning, hypersensitive, race baiting, identity politics culture, exacerbated by the media, and where all whites are basically racist. The word is thrown around so much you become numb to it. So when Trump says something very un-PC not only are thoughtful, decent people not throwing fits about it, many are saying it's about time.

    Is that better?
    Being un-PC is one thing, and I agree the left has likely gone a bit too far in PC policing. But applauding a buffoon saying vulgar and offensive stuff? I don't understand that, however angry you are with the left.

    Ofcourse many, perhaps a majority of Trump voters picked him only as the lesser of the evils.

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  • Wooglin
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    Originally posted by InExile View Post
    This is what you said



    Thank you for the clarification.
    That's right. As in people are sick of the PC, trigger warning, hypersensitive, race baiting, identity politics culture, exacerbated by the media, and where all whites are basically racist. The word is thrown around so much you become numb to it. So when Trump says something very un-PC not only are thoughtful, decent people not throwing fits about it, many are saying it's about time.

    Is that better?

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  • InExile
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    Originally posted by Wooglin View Post
    Was there something in my post that suggested 'real' racism is ok? What is it exactly that one of us missed?
    This is what you said

    Originally posted by Wooglin
    You're right. They don't care. They're going to be called racists no matter what, so why give a shit? Maybe you're starting to catch on...
    Thank you for the clarification.

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  • InExile
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    Originally posted by GVChamp View Post
    I don't think Donald Trump is a 1960s style segregationist. Donald Trump got a lot of votes in Louisiana, those people had the ability to vote for David Duke and didn't.
    Duke ended up getting about 4% of the vote, if that's extrapolated to the rest of the country, that might mean a few million potential white nationalist voters. Ofcourse Louisiana is one of the reddest states.

    Anyhow, I may not have been clear enough in my previous post. I dont think that Donald Trump crossed the line into outright racism although he skirted it a few times. The episode that came closest in my opinion was that retweet from a WN account about blacks being responsible for about 80% of crimes against whites. He later backed off from it by playing dumb.

    What bothered me most about Trump was not his offensive statements, though there were many of them, but rather his cynical and shameless pandering to the prejudices and fears of a segment of voters regarding illegals, muslims and even the Chinese (on trade). In my opinion that was far worse than anything said or done by Hillary, whom I don't like. Nevertheless, many Trump voters disagreed, and that's how it is.

    That said, I dont think that the US is much different a country than the one that re-elected Obama in 2012. And probably atleast half of Trump's voter would have gladly voted for some other Republican if they had the chance.
    Last edited by InExile; 19 Nov 16,, 03:04.

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